Only one cummins version available in 2025?

[Billet Bee]

The number has to be FAR lower than 1%, or we'd be seeing lots of threads here about it. When is the last time you read of a grid bolt failure? I read these forums every day and I have not seen a new thread about this issue in quite a while.

My point was that what ever the teeny tiny number of grid heater casualties there actually are surely you don't believe that someone from ram is going to release a video saying that the reason were eliminating the $1 grid heater bolt is because we f-ed up and implemented a crap design that has the potential to cost you a $18k motor. It ain't gonna happen, there going to explain away in there video so it doesn't get them into a recall situation that costs them lots o money.
Instead of stepping back into the past & going back to problematic glow plugs they should of just did a simple redesign of there grid heater horn similar to what banks did, the fact that they didn't implies to me that there's a whole lot more too it that there not openly saying. I'm not a banks fanatic and dont have a single product of there's on my truck yet, but I do think they have some good designs that it'd like to implement eventually.

 

[nlambert182]

My point was that what ever the teeny tiny number of grid heater casualties there actually are surely you don't believe that someone from ram is going to release a video saying that the reason were eliminating the $1 grid heater bolt is because we f-ed up and implemented a crap design that has the potential to cost you a $18k motor. It ain't gonna happen, there going to explain away in there video so it doesn't get them into a recall situation that costs them lots o money.
Instead of stepping back into the past & going back to problematic glow plugs they should of just did a simple redesign of there grid heater horn similar to what banks did, the fact that they didn't implies to me that there's a whole lot more too it that there not openly saying. I'm not a banks fanatic and dont have a single product of there's on my truck yet, but I do think they have some good designs that it'd like to implement eventually.

If someone from Cummins were to do that, then every manufacturer would have to release a similar video saying that they changed a widget because it was messed up and had the minute potential to cause a problem. It's called revisions. As they learn more, they fix more.

Ford had glow plug tips breaking off in the 2011 through late 2012 6.7 Powerstrokes. Did you see anything about it in the news? Nope. They switched manufacturers, revised the part number, and issued a TSB that said if there was a problem, use the new parts. A lot of manufacturers using smaller diesel engines still use them. Duramax and Ford both do.

Banks didn't redesign the grid heater horn. They copied a design from another company (as most companies do) and changed it up just enough to make it theirs. Their power is in their ability to spend a fortune marketing and waiting for folks that only know them by name to snatch them up at a ridiculous price.

The grid heater is no more a problem than a turbo, an injector, or anything else. All have a risk of failure, but the risk is minimal.

 

[tjfdesmo]

They can't "go back" to what they never had. The ISB never had glow plugs.

 

[Billet Bee]

If someone from Cummins were to do that, then every manufacturer would have to release a similar video saying that they changed a widget because it was messed up and had the minute potential to cause a problem. It's called revisions. As they learn more, they fix more.

Ford had glow plug tips breaking off in the 2011 through late 2012 6.7 Powerstrokes. Did you see anything about it in the news? Nope. They switched manufacturers, revised the part number, and issued a TSB that said if there was a problem, use the new parts. A lot of manufacturers using smaller diesel engines still use them. Duramax and Ford both do.

Banks didn't redesign the grid heater horn. They copied a design from another company (as most companies do) and changed it up just enough to make it theirs. Their power is in their ability to spend a fortune marketing and waiting for folks that only know them by name to snatch them up at a ridiculous price.

The grid heater is no more a problem than a turbo, an injector, or anything else. All have a risk of failure, but the risk is minimal.

Your correct that everything has the potential to fail but there potential is not all equal, some things have the potential to be more problematic then another part. The weakest link on my 2020 was the hpfp and they went backwards too a cp3 version because they tried too fix the cp4 through multiple design changes and they all were unreliable, which made sense. I believe now the next weakest link is the grid heater bolt. They could of done a simple redesign of the horn instead of going back to using glow plugs in there diesels. For me having the newly designed 2025 have the oil and fuel filters up top is a major positive forward, but going back to glow plugs is more of a negative for me when they commonly fail. Sure there much easier to swap out then a grid heater but the fact that they had a good core grid heater system (except for 1 stupidly placed bolt) and all they had to do was tweak it but said naw and went back to something that's more prone to failure just rips my ***

 

[nlambert182]

Glow plugs aren't a common failure point. They do fail infrequently, but not at all a commonality and I wouldn't consider it a step backwards. Aside from the 2 failure years on the PSD (and those too were uncommon) go research how many glow plug failures happened with catastrophic consequences. You won't find many (if any, at all). Worst case scenario a glowplug fails and that cylinder just doesn't heat. The engine will fire on the remainder and that cylinder will very quickly come up to temp without it once running.

The turbo is more prone to failure than a glow plug or the grid heater bolt, and a failed turbo can send shrapnel through the intake and into the cylinders. Yet... every manufacturer still uses them and accepts the minimal risk.

 

[Billet Bee]

Glow plugs aren't a common failure point. They do fail infrequently, but not at all a commonality and I wouldn't consider it a step backwards. Aside from the 2 failure years on the PSD (and those too were uncommon) go research how many glow plug failures happened with catastrophic consequences. You won't find many (if any, at all). Worst case scenario a glowplug fails and that cylinder just doesn't heat. The engine will fire on the remainder and that cylinder will very quickly come up to temp without it once running.

The turbo is more prone to failure than a glow plug or the grid heater bolt, and a failed turbo can send shrapnel through the intake and into the cylinders. Yet... every manufacturer still uses them and accepts the minimal risk.

30 years of diesel truck ownership and we never had a turbo issue knock on wood but we've replaced probably a dozen glow plugs, and yes it's a fairly quick and easy fix compared to a grid heater that's for sure. Again though the point was that all they had to do was redesign the grid heater horn ( which already been done aftermarket) so that bolt wasn't an issue and it would of been rock solid, but instead they went back to glow plugs which we've had nothing but repairs from over the decades. I'm sure glow plugs have come along way over the years and it's a much better system, it just rips my but that they had a good design with the horn and the only thing they needed to do to make it Bullet proof was move a bolt.

 

[tjfdesmo]

I have owned diesels with glow plugs, I have had them fail plenty, and have had them swell up and/or split upon failure. Fortunately, none broke off, and I was able to get them out, with some patience, without having to pull a head.

I will 100% stick with a grid heater.

 

[tjfdesmo]

Ran across a post on another forum with part numbers for fuel and oil filters. I searched the Mopar oil filter, and it shows a "discounted" price of over $80(On Edit: That turned out to be CAD). I hope that's a typo. Running the same filter since 1989, and going to this could prove to be bad for owners, if true.

Note: I edited above to reflect the price was in Canadian dollars, but, even accounting for the exchange, that is still outrageous for an oil filter.

 

[06 Dodge]

Ran across a post on another forum with part numbers for fuel and oil filters. I searched the Mopar oil filter, and it shows a "discounted" price of over $80(On Edit: That turned out to be CAD). I hope that's a typo. Running the same filter since 1989, and going to this could prove to be bad for owners, if true.

Note: I edited above to reflect the price was in Canadian dollars, but, even accounting for the exchange, that is still outrageous for an oil filter.

The new 2025 OEM oil filters can be found for under $60, ya just have to hunt for it and OEM prices will most likely will be that way until the after market starts making them for a reasonable price...

 

[HEMIMANN]

30 years of diesel truck ownership and we never had a turbo issue knock on wood but we've replaced probably a dozen glow plugs, and yes it's a fairly quick and easy fix compared to a grid heater that's for sure. Again though the point was that all they had to do was redesign the grid heater horn ( which already been done aftermarket) so that bolt wasn't an issue and it would of been rock solid, but instead they went back to glow plugs which we've had nothing but repairs from over the decades. I'm sure glow plugs have come along way over the years and it's a much better system, it just rips my but that they had a good design with the horn and the only thing they needed to do to make it Bullet proof was move a bolt.

EPA is into regulating everything now, including startup and transient load emissions. Maybe that's what did this?

 

[tjfdesmo]

The new 2025 OEM oil filters can be found for under $60, ya just have to hunt for it and OEM prices will most likely will be that way until the after market starts making them for a reasonable price...

Better be a whole lot under. I have run the Fleetguard LF16035 or Donaldson DBL7349 for years, and they are about 1/3 the cost.

 

[nlambert182]

FYI.... until recent years, FleetGuard was owned/manufactured by Cummins under Cummins Filtration, who also makes the same filters for Ma Mopar. Cummins Filtration spun off another division called Atmus Filtration and moved the Fleetguard brand underneath that umbrella. Last year they spun Atmus off into it's own independent company and dropped Cummins Filtration altogether.

 

[tjfdesmo]

FYI.... until recent years, FleetGuard was owned/manufactured by Cummins under Cummins Filtration, who also makes the same filters for Ma Mopar. Cummins Filtration spun off another division called Atmus Filtration and moved the Fleetguard brand underneath that umbrella. Last year they spun Atmus off into it's own independent company and dropped Cummins Filtration altogether.

Yes, well aware.

 

[HEMIMANN]

IDK if there is such a thing as a quality oil filter anymore. The global race to the bottom seems to have wrecked them all. Last I'd heard, Donaldson was still holding up, but maybe not anymore.

 

[06 Dodge]

IDK if there is such a thing as a quality oil filter anymore. The global race to the bottom seems to have wrecked them all. Last I'd heard, Donaldson was still holding up, but maybe not anymore.

Don't talk like that an bit your tong, I only use Donaldson DLB filters on my engine and would be very unhappy of they go the way of the others cheap

 

[06 Dodge]

Better be a whole lot under. I have run the Fleetguard LF16035 or Donaldson DBL7349 for years, and they are about 1/3 the cost.

The lowest price I have seen is $57 and change for the Fleetguard 2025 oil filter