Payload question

[Ridgerunner665]

2300hp wow that is crazy lol....I had both a Ford with 460 and GMC with 454 and yea power was pathetic but yet they seemed powerful at the time. My first new truck was a 1978 F150 with 300CI and I thought that felt plenty powerful...lol. totally spoiled now.

It seems funny now just how powerful those old engines did feel at the time... I've had a bunch of Chevy trucks with 350's in them, never owned a big block but have drove a few.

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[BWL]

Not really out to lunch...

When you look back at older models from the 70's (the trucks I grew up on), today's half ton trucks are rated higher than 3/4 ton trucks were back then... and not all that far behind the ton trucks.

And engines, wow.... a 78 Chevy 454 big block (truck engine) came with 230 hp and 360 torque, lol.



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heaviest configured 72 c10, which is a half ton has more payload than my truck by a few hundred pounds. 3500 curb weight and 5000gvwr so 1500 payload. It has a lower tow rating though. If the same load can be hauled around in a jetta comfortably it shouldn't overload my truck and it's been nearly 50 years. We should be able to haul more with all the advancements. Especially braking. These new 1500s weigh as much as the old 1 tons. Why can't they handle the same loads.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

heaviest configured 72 c10, which is a half ton has more payload than my truck by a few hundred pounds. 3500 curb weight and 5000gvwr so 1500 payload. It has a lower tow rating though. If the same load can be hauled around in a jetta comfortably it shouldn't overload my truck and it's been nearly 50 years. We should be able to haul more with all the advancements. Especially braking. These new 1500s weigh as much as the old 1 tons. Why can't they handle the same loads.

I hadn't looked at it like that.... the new half tons weighing the same as the old ton trucks.

They're heavy... my Ram weighs a little over 5500 pounds, the axles are rated for 3900 each (100 pounds more than the old 3/4 ton axles).... giving me a payload sticker that says 1,373 pounds....it's a 2018 Big Horn 4x4 CC loaded with all the bells and whistles, very nearly making it match the top trim levels, only lacking the leather seats and woodgrain interior.

It gets confusing.... but my first post up there was about axle ratings more so than payload ratings.... that makes it a little simpler because it pure old fashioned load carrying capacity....payload ratings take braking into account and that's where things get complicated, trying to understand how the manufacturer comes up with those numbers.





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[BWL]

I hadn't looked at it like that.... the new half tons weighing the same as the old ton trucks.

They're heavy... my Ram weighs a little over 5500 pounds, the axles are rated for 3900 each (100 pounds more than the old 3/4 ton axles).... giving me a payload sticker that says 1,373 pounds....it's a 2018 Big Horn 4x4 loaded with all the bells and whistles, very nearly making it match the top trim levels, only lacking the leather seats and woodgrain interior.

It gets confusing.... but my first post up there was about axle ratings more so than payload ratings.... that makes it a little simpler because it pure old fashioned load carrying capacity....payload ratings take braking into account and that's where things get complicated, trying to understand how the manufacturer comes up with those numbers.





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If you go by axle ratings there's a lot more payload. I guess even with 50 years of braking, tire, chassis and suspension and road advancements we stlll aren't able to haul as much as the old ttucks. We just can't keep up with the advancements in legal action and government intervention.

 

[tron67j]

It's all physics. Mass, velocity, brake pad and rotor sizes, tires all go into calculations that then put a number on the door. These numbers aren't suggestions and overloading a vehicle will put everyone at risk. Trucks are like hammers, you shouldn't try to do roofing with a ball peen hammer. A truck shouldn't try to carry more load than it is designed to. Maybe rent a trailer to get it all at once, could be easier to unload as well.

 

[BWL]

I guess if I have to go out with 4 full size adults I better get a vehicle more up to the task then like an austin mini.

 

[retired]

I guess if I have to go out with 4 full size adults I better get a vehicle more up to the task then like an austin mini.

or get lighter friends. maybe limit their weight to say 175lbs or so.

 

[BWL]

or get lighter friends. maybe limit their weight to say 175lbs or so.

Lol, but I like being the skinny guy in the group. Plus it took forever to make those ones. I guess I need a dually if I get another friend or maybe a prius.I've seen 5 guys stuffed into a prius taxi including the driver a few times.

 

[Quyonmob]

My payload is 1660lbs (17 crew 4x4 V6). I have had 1700lbs of pavers in the bed, and 400lbs of passengers in the cab. So I was over by about 500lbs for my truck.

It blew my mind how well the truck handled it. Was only on rural roads with a speed of 55-60mph, but no issues steering/stopping and the squat wasn’t that bad.

Now you are talking about going double your payload with just a driver. I would get a trailer.

 

[gfh77665]

Keep in mind using a trailer brings a different set of potential issues to the decision. Will it suddenly sway at highway speed? What about easily changing lanes, parking & parking lot manuvers? The hitch and electrical connections? Brakes (or not)? Trailer tire conditions? etc. Then there is the cost if it is rented.

Yes, I have used trailers several times before. Sometimes there is no choice. But when possible I contain and haul my cargo in the truck. Its very capable.

 

[BWL]

I have no issues going over gawr, but not over the actual axle rating so I'd make the 2 trips or rent a trailer close to home. Trailers are usually cheap to rent and will save you a little time and fuel over making 2 trips. As little as I need a trailer I find it cheaper to rent since I don't have to pay to maintain or insure it year round. U haul trailer is about 30 bucks near me for 24 hours if I return it to the same place I rented it from. Probably a wash time and cost wise either way though since you'll need time to fill out paperwork on p/u and drop off of the trailer if they split the load for you ahead of time. If you have to break apart the pallet and paperwork yourself and wait to get loaded twice the trailer should win the day.Also if you live somewhere that you have to drive 2 hours to get a decent price on flooring you'll have more capacity to pick up more stuff you may need while you're already there.

 

[LANdrew4]

Rent a uhaul trailer for $30 and make one trip. Even with the stop to pickup and drop off trailer you would save time over two trips and come out ahead in gas as well I assume.

 

[David Langford]

Why not rent a trailer from U-Haul? 1 day rental shouldn't be that costly.

 

[XxSunDevilsAZxX]

Rent a uhaul trailer. They have a pretty decent tandem axle aluminum trailer if I’m not mistaken. I hauled two pallets of pavers in one trip (probably overloaded the trailer, but hey it’s not mine).

 

['06 Ram 2500]

U-Haul 1 day rental less than $20. No brainer. Especially with the cost of gas and potential damage to your truck.

 

[MRFREEZE57]

for sure these 1500 class trucks suffer on payload, my 2016 Bighorn CC is just under 1300. with the running boards and bed mat am guessing I have about 100 left for cargo. for hauling that much weight unless you are under a mile or so do it in two trips or rent a trailer.

 

[2003F350]

You've gotten a ton of good info here. Basically though it boils down to this - if you were only a few miles from home, I'd say go for it in your truck in one shot. Since you're looking at a 2 hour drive, I would say make two trips or rent a small trailer. Loaded up the trailer won't sway much, if at all, just remember it's back there and slow down while pulling. You'll save a lot of time and gas.

 

[TomB 1269]

U-Haul Rental... Set it up on line and you can be in and out in like 15 to 20 minutes or less. With the weight you are looking at you'd be much better off and safer with U-Haul trailer. I have a little trailer but it only holds about a 1000 or so. If it was not free (minus the cost of refurbing it) I would not have one either. I do not have to insure it as liability follows the vehicle towing it. Interesting your state requires insurance on a trailer??? I also do not bother with registering year to year as it used only local and rarely, and police are more interested in the vehicle towing it then the trailer and I have a plate from a previous trailer I sold.

 

[Doggerdave]

If I simply hook my boat on, the suspension will squat significantly. My boat is not super heavy....the tongue weight is maybe 100 lbs max. The suspension in the rams is quite weak so if they say 1300ish lbs payload, I would recommend not any more than that. These 1500 series trucks are more glorified minivans than trucks made for doing work. I have had 2 rams. My first was a 2014 outdoorsman quad with heavy duty suspension.....yeah right! My newest one is a 2018 sport crew with regular suspension......ultra minivan! I would say if you’re going to haul heavy loads regularly, you’ve got the wrong truck. I use mine more like a minivan and it does that job just fine. Occasionally I have will haul some building materials for a home Reno or tow my boat to the lake for some afternoon fun.

 

[Quyonmob]

If I simply hook my boat on, the suspension will squat significantly. My boat is not super heavy....the tongue weight is maybe 100 lbs max. The suspension in the rams is quite weak so if they say 1300ish lbs payload, I would recommend not any more than that. These 1500 series trucks are more glorified minivans than trucks made for doing work. I have had 2 rams. My first was a 2014 outdoorsman quad with heavy duty suspension.....yeah right! My newest one is a 2018 sport crew with regular suspension......ultra minivan! I would say if you’re going to haul heavy loads regularly, you’ve got the wrong truck. I use mine more like a minivan and it does that job just fine. Occasionally I have will haul some building materials for a home Reno or tow my boat to the lake for some afternoon fun.

your truck is broken if it squats with 100lbs tongue weight.

I put a Yamaha 550 quad in mine all the time and it drops maybe 3/4”.

400lbs tongue trailer makes it it down about the same.

I’m 200lbs and standing on the ball drops it a 1/2” in the wheel wells.