Ram CEO Claims That 1500 Customers Prefer the HEMI V8 Over the Hurricane I6

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ram-ceo-claims-that-hemi-v8-demand-significantly-outpaces-the-hurricane-i6-262914.html

 

[EdGs]

Well, duhh!

Even with the Hemi's faults, it's a no-brainer.

Now, get rid of that e-torque BS.

People buy a V8 because they want a V8. They know MPG isn't great, although the hemi does get good MPG highway driving when you pay attention to skinny-pedal use.

 

[MeatCurtains]

People prefer the hemi because you guys have done nothing to prove modern engine designs poop all over it.

Put other engines out there

 

[EdGs]

You can buy and prove whatever you want.

When modern engine designs have been used enough to be proven, fine. Until then, NOPE.

Mfrs. need to make affordable options, use the KISS principle.

They will sell many more vehicles this way. 50, 60, 70k plus for a vehicle is ridiculous, period.

 

[turkeybird56]

Well, duhh!

Even with the Hemi's faults, it's a no-brainer.

Now, get rid of that e-torque BS.

People buy a V8 because they want a V8. They know MPG isn't great, although the hemi does get good MPG highway driving when you pay attention to skinny-pedal use.

On Highway, I use CC as much as possible, tho IH 35 speeds around here, posted 70-75 actually like 85 mph and up (traffic flow), tends to let U hear that unique sucking sound outta gas tank. BUT I would not trade my non E junkola V8 for the Hurrycane stuff.

I would have bought a 26, but not with E Junkola.

 

[Ken226]

I wonder which will be easier to keep on the road when it's 15 years old and had 180k miles

 

[DRkNESS]

I’ve only wanted my V8 to be just that paired with my 3.92 gears..

 

[Docwagon1776]

Now do a 6.4L option while CAFE standards are not in play. C'mon, be cool.

 

[Mando Mark]

Just my non-mechanical observations. I had a 2016 EcoDiesel and after the EPA lawsuit computer flash mandate, it became a gutless wonder. Turbo lag was actually detrimental to pulling our 25' RV. (Before the flash, it got 14 mpg pulling the trailer and had loads of power; after, < 10 mpg and no power.) Plus the EGR carbon-burning chamber cracked and that cost me $2300 in repairs with just over 60k miles on that engine. Traded it in for a 2019 Classic with 5.7 Hemi and a trailer-tow package. Get 22 mpg empty, only about 10-11 mpg with the trailer but all the power I'd ever need. Hurricane engines scare me as I've got a buddy whose Dad retired from Ford, so he buys Fords all the time. He's had that EcoBoost V6 in like three different trucks, and the twin turbos failed on ALL of them at just over 100k miles. So the turbo(s) on the Hurricanes are likely going to have the same issues. JMHO, YMMV. (I'll stick with my Hemi.)

 

[TCDiesel]

I also had 2015 VM 3.0 Ecodiesel POG, I have and have had many 5.7s, My 2025 Limited HO is by far the best Gas engine I've ever had. Now that being said there's going to be a learning curve, Example 0/40w ... NO way am I going to 0w lube even in My snowblower, much less My vehicles, Plus I'm using T6 5/40w Truck Now has 12K miles and is going to be OA and serviced at 13K miles all these Miles on 88oct here's My 1st OA, the Hurricane was serviced at 660, 2300, 4600, 8800 miles. Now if this engine stays together for 250+K miles on good service diet I'll be happy. Yes I talk to Shell and T6 5/40w is SN, they are not going to pay API blood money for that certification....The Hemi a great engine No doubt, IMO the Hurricane HO out performs the Hemi in all categories except longevity that needs to time to prove, but the engine's out of the gate with a great start. That CEO just trying to promote the Hemi... likely because Rams making more $$$$ of the sale of Hemi's...Heeheee

 

[MrBonez]

I've said it before - With such a small displacement and on top of that, tossing a turbo on to get additional power output from it is a recipe for problems down the road because all that also equals something that's not being mentioned and that's simple strain on the engine components which comes with any additional power output, no matter how you slice it.

Even if the engine design calls for better materials to be used, we've seen plenty of them with these "Better" materials still fail after so long and for the majority of those, that wasn't a case of being in a pickup pulling loads around which trucks are indeed used for.
Diesels with turbos makes sense and those have been proven to last but a gas burner is a different animal in that way.

As long as you're not stressing it much along the way it can last for a long time but with constant use in the capacity of what a truck is intended for it can go bad quickly, even if you're being careful with it.

The old saying "There is no substitute for cubic inches" holds true and if the engine used has a decent amount of natural grunt without all the other added on, it's probrably going to last awhile with proper care but if it doesn't and it relies on things like a turbo just to have it, that's not going to end well in many/most cases.

The small size of the engine (183 CID) used with these is what really concerns me, it's just too small to have this kind of power output and hold up well over time, esp as a gas burner with a turbo in use pulling things like trailers and so on around. Sure, it's doing fine now but I honestly suspect that won't last too long before something major gives and well..... There you go.

It's also simple fact turbos themselves will just wear out and start passing oil (Usual symptom of a worn turbo) by it's bearings which makes the engine lose oil fast with an obvious symptom of it smoking, leading to a lack of engine lubrication.....
You don't have to be a genius to figure out what comes next.

Not to mention a worn turbo can cause a vehicle to fail emission testing too if it's beginning to pass oil anyway which would mandate repair/replacement of the turbo and you can only hope that's all there is to it when it happens.

The only thing I can even come up with as why these exist is simple - Marketing/Sales.
It's a form of a gimmick to boost sales without having to put alot into these pickups and a turbo is a fast, cheap way to make it happen and the headaches that will follow in a few years once it's out of warranty won't be their's to deal with except to sell another one - To you if they can.

 

[Mando Mark]

I also had 2015 VM 3.0 Ecodiesel POG, I have and have had many 5.7s, My 2025 Limited HO is by far the best Gas engine I've ever had. Now that being said there's going to be a learning curve, Example 0/40w ... NO way am I going to 0w lube even in My snowblower, much less My vehicles, Plus I'm using T6 5/40w Truck Now has 12K miles and is going to be OA and serviced at 13K miles all these Miles on 88oct here's My 1st OA, the Hurricane was serviced at 660, 2300, 4600, 8800 miles. Now if this engine stays together for 250+K miles on good service diet I'll be happy. Yes I talk to Shell and T6 5/40w is SN, they are not going to pay API blood money for that certification....The Hemi a great engine No doubt, IMO the Hurricane HO out performs the Hemi in all categories except longevity that needs to time to prove, but the engine's out of the gate with a great start. That CEO just trying to promote the Hemi... likely because Rams making more $$$$ of the sale of Hemi's...Heeheee

Yeah, my wife's newer Jeep Compass recommends 0w20. I only put 5w30 in my Hemi (rather than the recommended 5w20), and will move the Compass to 5w20 or maybe 5w30 now that it's out of warranty. I have a post about Mobil1 vs. 'regular' Mobil Full Synthetic. I don't trust going 10,000 to 20,000 miles with Mobil1, maybe the 'standard' full synthetic is fine for 6000 mile oil changes on both vehicles. (No sense pouring expensive Mobil1 out at 6000 miles if the other full synthetic oils are fine for that oil change interval.) Good luck with the Hurricane; keep us posted on durability/longevity. (I'd still worry about the turbos; my buddy paid over $1200 each time one failed in his EcoBoost.)

 

[EdGs]

Did I see somewhere that you cannot even check the oil in the Hurricane engine?

Those smaller engines put out alot of power, but the increased RPM's and all the extra BS on the engine will be a recipe for disaster, IMO. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not gonna be a guinea pig.

 

[Grams]

I wonder which will be easier to keep on the road when it's 15 years old and had 180k miles

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That’s why I bought a 180K mile 2015 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi for the second ranch-truck. Runs Great! Last a long time. Easy rebuild if/when.

 

[MrBonez]

Did I see somewhere that you cannot even check the oil in the Hurricane engine?

Those smaller engines put out alot of power, but the increased RPM's and all the extra BS on the engine will be a recipe for disaster, IMO. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not gonna be a guinea pig.

Yes - There is an oil level sensor but no actual dipstick.
Just another possible electronic failure point with potential to make things "Fun" - As if there wasn't enough of that in play for us already.

 

[Grams]

Yes - There is an oil level sensor but no actual dipstick.
Just another possible electronic failure point with potential to make things "Fun" - As if there wasn't enough of that in play for us already.

; Reminds me of my portable generator for the travel trailer. It got goofy on one trip when we really Really needed it…. It would shut down in the middle of the hot summer nights on that trip. No amount of troubleshooting seemed to work.
Then I just happened to cast my disgusted gaze at it….and focused on that little wire exiting the crankcase below the cooling-fins. Thought: “that wire must be to the oil-level sensor bragged-about in the sales-brochure….”

When I was buying the generator it seemed like a “bell and whistle” sales-gimmick…. I’ve had dozens of small engines ever since I was a kid and built a go-cart from an old reel-type lawn-mower engine….and I’ve NEVER had a small engine run out of oil… probably because before Every Use…. I unscrewed that little plug and checked the level.
Automatic “sensors” only make you careless.

Grabbed my wire cutters and Clipped that little wire on the side of the generator crankcase.

I’ve checked the oil-level for the last ten years now and that little generator with the failed-but-disconnected oil level sensor is still runnin’ all night long just fine.

Moral: When they were introducing that “Hurricane” the salesman tried to hand me the keys to a Hurricane-powered New Ram for a test-drive….. I simply said “No-way I’m gonna buy a black truck with an introductory-experimental engine.”

 

[turkeybird56]

Did I see somewhere that you cannot even check the oil in the Hurricane engine?

Those smaller engines put out alot of power, but the increased RPM's and all the extra BS on the engine will be a recipe for disaster, IMO. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not gonna be a guinea pig.

NO Dip stick, electronic "sensor" system.

 

[turkeybird56]

I've said it before - With such a small displacement and on top of that, tossing a turbo on to get additional power output from it is a recipe for problems down the road because all that also equals something that's not being mentioned and that's simple strain on the engine components which comes with any additional power output, no matter how you slice it.

Even if the engine design calls for better materials to be used, we've seen plenty of them with these "Better" materials still fail after so long and for the majority of those, that wasn't a case of being in a pickup pulling loads around which trucks are indeed used for.
Diesels with turbos makes sense and those have been proven to last but a gas burner is a different animal in that way.

As long as you're not stressing it much along the way it can last for a long time but with constant use in the capacity of what a truck is intended for it can go bad quickly, even if you're being careful with it.

The old saying "There is no substitute for cubic inches" holds true and if the engine used has a decent amount of natural grunt without all the other added on, it's probrably going to last awhile with proper care but if it doesn't and it relies on things like a turbo just to have it, that's not going to end well in many/most cases.

The small size of the engine (183 CID) used with these is what really concerns me, it's just too small to have this kind of power output and hold up well over time, esp as a gas burner with a turbo in use pulling things like trailers and so on around. Sure, it's doing fine now but I honestly suspect that won't last too long before something major gives and well..... There you go.

It's also simple fact turbos themselves will just wear out and start passing oil (Usual symptom of a worn turbo) by it's bearings which makes the engine lose oil fast with an obvious symptom of it smoking, leading to a lack of engine lubrication.....
You don't have to be a genius to figure out what comes next.

Not to mention a worn turbo can cause a vehicle to fail emission testing too if it's beginning to pass oil anyway which would mandate repair/replacement of the turbo and you can only hope that's all there is to it when it happens.

The only thing I can even come up with as why these exist is simple - Marketing/Sales.
It's a form of a gimmick to boost sales without having to put alot into these pickups and a turbo is a fast, cheap way to make it happen and the headaches that will follow in a few years once it's out of warranty won't be their's to deal with except to sell another one - To you if they can.

Displacement NOT Replacement!!!

 

[turkeybird56]

Just my non-mechanical observations. I had a 2016 EcoDiesel and after the EPA lawsuit computer flash mandate, it became a gutless wonder. Turbo lag was actually detrimental to pulling our 25' RV. (Before the flash, it got 14 mpg pulling the trailer and had loads of power; after, < 10 mpg and no power.) Plus the EGR carbon-burning chamber cracked and that cost me $2300 in repairs with just over 60k miles on that engine. Traded it in for a 2019 Classic with 5.7 Hemi and a trailer-tow package. Get 22 mpg empty, only about 10-11 mpg with the trailer but all the power I'd ever need. Hurricane engines scare me as I've got a buddy whose Dad retired from Ford, so he buys Fords all the time. He's had that EcoBoost V6 in like three different trucks, and the twin turbos failed on ALL of them at just over 100k miles. So the turbo(s) on the Hurricanes are likely going to have the same issues. JMHO, YMMV. (I'll stick with my Hemi.)

I had an ED tooooo. After all the CARB BS< I literally was at a friend's "Viewing". When leaving, that now gutless wonder almost stalled almost got me hit. IT was gone in a week, with a total of less than 11K on odometer. IT was fine till EPA/carb fuched it up.

 

[turkeybird56]

I wonder which will be easier to keep on the road when it's 15 years old and had 180k miles

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That's there a nic pile. Good thing my 19 neva get there. I got 28K on it since Aug 2018. I be good, lol.