Towing/payload for a 2024 6.7 diesel Big Horn

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The problem with exceeding the payload number is that I you are ever in an accident and the investigators weigh your rig, truck et. al., and they find you are overweight, insurance may not pay because you were towing illegally. That may or may not be something you worry about, but criminal charges could also follow if there were serious injuries.
 
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Ugh again someone bringing up "legalities".
Numerous times I've asked for someone to post ANY proof of a recreational RV driver being cited for being over weight or over their payload rating.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN
 

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Just because you can't Google search it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. More times than not there is a settlement reached with an accident. If a case is settled out of court, the settlement is confidential so you won't find the details. Insurance companies do not like publicity, so they will settle every chance they get.
 

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It's all about liability. Will you get a ticket for being overweight? Probably not. But if you crash and a lawyer is able to prove to a court that it was due to driver negligence and can prove that you were overloaded... well, it's a personal injury claim. Settle out of court, and voila... no public record. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
 

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It's all about liability. Will you get a ticket for being overweight? Probably not. But if you crash and a lawyer is able to prove to a court that it was due to driver negligence and can prove that you were overloaded... well, it's a personal injury claim. Settle out of court, and voila... no public record. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
This is what those that argue against it are missing. While you are pretty unlikely to be criminally charged there is a much higher likelihood you will be sued civilly. If a woman can sue McDonalds after she spilled hot coffee on herself then I'm quite certain a person towing an overloaded trailer can be sued.
Those on here that argue that you can't get in any trouble for towing overweight are only looking at the criminal side.
 

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The key words being "may involve" and "comparatively rare" so your legal gobbledygook means nothing. You do you. :manos:


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I am a retired law enforcement officer living in the state of California where the CHP can be sticklers for the rules, since I like to reduce as many worries as possible when I'm traveling and Towing I live within the weight limits.
 

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Ignore the camper dry weight completely and ignore towing capacity for the truck. Dry weight is no longer accurate the second it leaves the mfg. You'll never get near tow capacity with a camper because most of the weight is fixed. Tow capacity is more applicable on flatbeds where the weight can be shifted to lighten the tongue.

Focus on the truck payload, truck rear axle rating, and the pin weight of the camper. Those are the 3 numbers you need.

This is how you do it without going to a CAT scale (which I do recommend for specific numbers):


On the camper, find the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating sticker. THAT is the maximum your camper should be able to weigh (if you don't overload it), including the cargo capacity. If it doesn't list that number, find the dry weight and the cargo capacity sticker. Add those 2 together for the GVWR.To ballpark calculate pin weight of the camper, multiply the GVWR of the trailer x 20%. THAT is roughly what the weight of the trailer could be sitting on the truck.

It will look something like this and is typically just behind the propane door on the driverside of the fifth wheel, but sometimes it can be up by the pinbox:
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For the truck, look inside the door for the sticker that says payload capacity. THAT is the payload of your specific truck (every one is different) before you add any aftermarket accessories or put anything inside the truck.
Figure out the weight of all passengers and any additional cargo and/or accessories. Find out the weight of the 5th wheel hitch. Subtract those 2 numbers from the payload number. That number is the remaining available truck payload.

It will look something like this:
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If the estimated pin weight of the trailer is more than the available payload, you're over. If it's under, you're good. If you're over the available payload, but under rear axle rating, you're potentially ok however I personally like to say under all numbers. Being new, I suggest not exceeding either one. Do not exceed that rear axle rating under any circumstances.

This is essentially all you need to do to get an estimate, but I'd always suggest running it across a CAT scale and getting real weights.


IF you're over... don't assume that adding airbags, beefing up springs, etc.. will increase your payload capacity. They don't. 2500 diesels have very little payload and are typically better suited for travel trailers but some lighter

Ignore the camper dry weight completely and ignore towing capacity for the truck. Dry weight is no longer accurate the second it leaves the mfg. You'll never get near tow capacity with a camper because most of the weight is fixed. Tow capacity is more applicable on flatbeds where the weight can be shifted to lighten the tongue.

Focus on the truck payload, truck rear axle rating, and the pin weight of the camper. Those are the 3 numbers you need.

This is how you do it without going to a CAT scale (which I do recommend for specific numbers):


On the camper, find the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating sticker. THAT is the maximum your camper should be able to weigh (if you don't overload it), including the cargo capacity. If it doesn't list that number, find the dry weight and the cargo capacity sticker. Add those 2 together for the GVWR.To ballpark calculate pin weight of the camper, multiply the GVWR of the trailer x 20%. THAT is roughly what the weight of the trailer could be sitting on the truck.

It will look something like this and is typically just behind the propane door on the driverside of the fifth wheel, but sometimes it can be up by the pinbox:
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For the truck, look inside the door for the sticker that says payload capacity. THAT is the payload of your specific truck (every one is different) before you add any aftermarket accessories or put anything inside the truck.
Figure out the weight of all passengers and any additional cargo and/or accessories. Find out the weight of the 5th wheel hitch. Subtract those 2 numbers from the payload number. That number is the remaining available truck payload.

It will look something like this:
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If the estimated pin weight of the trailer is more than the available payload, you're over. If it's under, you're good. If you're over the available payload, but under rear axle rating, you're potentially ok however I personally like to say under all numbers. Being new, I suggest not exceeding either one. Do not exceed that rear axle rating under any circumstances.

This is essentially all you need to do to get an estimate, but I'd always suggest running it across a CAT scale and getting real weights.


IF you're over... don't assume that adding airbags, beefing up springs, etc.. will increase your payload capacity. They don't. 2500 diesels have very little payload and are typically better suited for travel trailers but some lighter fifth wheels are ok.
So my truck has gawr rear of 6040 lbs and pay load of 2341 the trailer we are looking hitch weight is 2340 so doing ur math im over on pay load but under on gawr ?
 

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Interesting though that the 2025 Ram 2500 Cummins gained 850 lbs of payload for a total of 2,932 lbs with no apparent physical changes to the suspension.IMG_2746.jpeg
 

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So my truck has gawr rear of 6040 lbs and pay load of 2341 the trailer we are looking hitch weight is 2340 so doing ur math im over on pay load but under on gawr ?
Divide 6040 by 2 for a rough number. Don't forget that the truck weight is on the axle too. You also have to subtract the weight of the fifth wheel hitch, any add on accessories (tool box, running boards, and anything not factory installed), and the weight of any cargo in the bed and people in the truck. All of that comes off that payload number before you ever hitch up the trailer.

If you're that close I would recommend finding another trailer.

You
 

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Interesting though that the 2025 Ram 2500 Cummins gained 850 lbs of payload for a total of 2,932 lbs with no apparent physical changes to the suspension.View attachment 572014
Not necessarily.... it depends on what's on the truck. Things like tire size, trim level, and gear ratio. 18" wheels will net you a higher payload than 20" wheels (more tire sidewall) and a tradesman will net you a lot more payload than a limited.
 

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Divide 6040 by 2 for a rough number. Don't forget that the truck weight is on the axle too. You also have to subtract the weight of the fifth wheel hitch, any add on accessories (tool box, running boards, and anything not factory installed), and the weight of any cargo in the bed and people in the truck. All of that comes off that payload number before you ever hitch up the trailer.

If you're that close I would recommend finding another trailer.

You
So for ***** and giggles I looked up at ford f350 non dually it says max payload 4048 under vehicles capacity with gvwr 11300 gcwr 23500. below that says 5th wheel hitch max tongue 2415lbs and max trailer rating 15948 lbs so when I look at a camper the hitch weight need to be below 2415 on the camper ? Even tho the pay load weight is 4048 ?
 

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So my truck has gawr rear of 6040 lbs and pay load of 2341 the trailer we are looking hitch weight is 2340 so doing ur math im over on pay load but under on gawr ?
In theory yes. What is your truck rear axle weight empty?

For example: My truck rawr is 6,000.
The empty truck weight on the rear axle is 3,000.
So, in theory I can put 3,000 in the bed and be at the rawr.
I actually did that with a 14,000lb fifth wheel and 3,000 +- pin weight. Towed that trailer for 7yrs before downsizing. No problems.

You should look at an RV forum for the trailer manufacturer you are considering. It will have more relative value than a truck forum.
 

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So for ***** and giggles I looked up at ford f350 non dually it says max payload 4048 under vehicles capacity with gvwr 11300 gcwr 23500. below that says 5th wheel hitch max tongue 2415lbs and max trailer rating 15948 lbs so when I look at a camper the hitch weight need to be below 2415 on the camper ? Even tho the pay load weight is 4048 ?
Wow. My gcwr is north of 25,000.
GVWR 10,000.
 

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Divide 6040 by 2 for a rough number. Don't forget that the truck weight is on the axle too. You also have to subtract the weight of the fifth wheel hitch, any add on accessories (tool box, running boards, and anything not factory installed), and the weight of any cargo in the bed and people in the truck. All of that comes off that payload number before you ever hitch up the trailer.

If you're that close I would recommend finding another trailer.

You
Why divide by 2?
 

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OP, don’t fear the “weight police” on forums. They just follow numbers, not the actual capabilities of the truck. Look for real life experiences.
 
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OP, don’t fear the “weight police” on forums. They just follow numbers, not the actual capabilities of the truck. Look for real life experiences.
Well that sounds like a great answer. Ignore the facts and do what feels ok to you?
 

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