Diesel vs Gas

[wyo2track]

to show that i did in fact own a 6.4 hemi here is the when we were headed home with the camper...

Great looking setups! How do you like the long bed over short bed?

Avolnek, whats the pin weight on that? I got the 1 ton cause I didnt want it squatting like my old lady in the woods As you can see from my pic, it still squats a little. Cant remember the amount of movement after measuring. Think it was 2". My sticker shows 3773 (big horn with pretty much the works). Mine is a t.h. btw so I know it's more pin weight

That is one hell of a T.H. CC!! Ya did good getting the 3500! What's the length of your trailer?

 

[avolnek]

Great looking setups! How do you like the long bed over short bed?

Huge improvement in overall in empty ride as well loaded ride. also much more stable in cross winds...

only down side of course is the parking... I usually park in the back regardless so not a real big deal and i live in a more rural area so open spaces are much more abundant than urban areas...

 

[SouthTexan]

Our bumper pull did great behind the hemi, it was even 36' long as well... a fair bit lighter but i believe the wind resistance against the front cap of the 5th wheel is what killed the hemi's economy...

Yeah, a lot of people underestimate wind resistance. There is a HUGE difference between towing a 10k lb flatbed trailer versus pulling a 10k lb flat nosed enclosed or a 10k lb 5th wheel RV especially at speeds above 50 mph. Below 50 mpg, tire resistance is usually the main drag.

Wind resistance is a little worse for you now since you have a long bed, and the wider the gap is between the trailer and truck cab, the greater the turbulence. Although it probably isn't that much worse in comparison to the short bed you had before. People would be amazed on how much horsepower is needed to overcome wind resistance.

I don't know if I posted this here before, but it is a good read even if it mainly applies to big Heavy Duty trucks and trailer. These same principles apply with all vehicles although the rpms they are talking about would be a little higher on the 6.7L Cummins and a lot higher on the 6.4L or 5.7L. I should have posted this in the that 2015 Power Wagon towing report thread to show what I was talking about with wind resistance being a major factor especially in colder temperatures due to greater air density since every 10° F drop in temperature, aerodynamic drag increases by 2%.

Secrets of Better Fuel Economy
The Physics of MPG

By the way Avolnek, if you read in there where it talks about gearing recommendations and tells you to go to Cummins Powerspec, the Powerspec application will tell you that the Cummins 6.7L should be at 1,800-2,100 rpm for optimal fuel efficiency when towing. The 6th gear on our trucks is too tall to put us at that rpm which is why I always recommend to use 5th when towing since it puts you right about 1,900 rpm when towing at 65 mph and a little over 2,050 rpm when towing at 70 mph. If you are towing at 80 mph then 6th would put you at 1,800 rpm, but I don't recommend towing that fast.


Edit: For anyone towing a 5th wheel, I would also recommend aerodynamic aids. Some products, like the AeroShield wind deflector by Icon, really do make a difference in mileage and with general highway towing of these big brick behemoths.

 

[cc rider]

Thanks. It's around 38' . I was looking at a long box but never really liked the looks compared to the short + the parking issues. But, now I'm kind of liking then more and more. I guess they grew on me. I got the Andersen hitch so I didn't have to worry about a slider. That's in my album hanging on my garage wall.. It had an adjustable ball. It is smooth as butter too and I can get just about 90 degrees turning. I highly recommend it. Let's you keep your warranty against frame damage on the rv too unlike the goose adapters. I would imagine it has to do with location of the ball/hookup. Adapters are on the bed. Mine sits up high. Btw, I think the mega cabs are ugly (no offense to anyone), the long ones are better. The short is just right. Although a dually would be nice for the added stability, don't care for the looks of that either.

That is one hell of a T.H. CC!! Ya did good getting the 3500! What's the length of your trailer?

 

[drittal]

A lot has been posted while I was working today...

1) I wish I could have gone long bed but it would be too long for garage. Well, it would fit... just barely with no room to walk around. I had a 07 Ford with the 5.5' box and will never own a truck with one of those useless lady boxes again. That was one reason I went with Ford again in 2011 as the Ram 1500 didn't have a 6.5' option.

2) do the transfer tank. My dad has one plumbed in with a second LPFP on a switch. He gets down to a 1/4 tank and starts pumping. But watch to be sure you don't overfill! He went from Quartzsite to SLC with the full he had onboard.

3) a lot of MFR's give their tow rating with 60sqft of frontal area. Let's see.... 60÷8.5=7'


4) if we are showing off... the 1st pic is at Burgess Jct. 8,000'. The mountain in the background is Black Mtn, 9500'.

 

[6.4 dude]

This a bunch of ********! All I got to show is trailers for hauling human waste! I'm getting the camping bug now....

 

[cc rider]

This a bunch of ********! All I got to show is trailers for hauling human waste! I'm getting the camping bug now....

If it makes you feel any better, my rv holds 40 gallons of poop

 

[cc rider]

Drittal, what's with the 2 different trucks and how high is that razor

 

[6.4 dude]

I pump rv's in the summer. That the closest I get to owning one :-(

 

[smurfs_of_war]

Drittal, what's with the 2 different trucks

Was wondering that myself

 

[drittal]

The Red one is my father's 2012. The wife had our 2500 out of town for conferences and my dad and I went ATVing. His TH is white, but can't hold 2 RZR.

The RZR is around 6'. Interior height is 7'6". I'm 6'4" in shoes and have to duck a little to get under the bed. It's height is adjustable though.

 

[drittal]

This a bunch of ********! All I got to show is trailers for hauling human waste! I'm getting the camping bug now....

It's a ****** job, but somebody's got to do it!

Around here where cattle out number people 2.5:1 we smell manure and say it smells like money. You might have a slight twist on that saying...

 

[6.4 dude]

It's a ****** job, but somebody's got to do it!

Around here where cattle out number people 2.5:1 we smell manure and say it smells like money. You might have a slight twist on that saying...

Our business slogan is "Your business is our business"

 

[SouthTexan]

I'm curious as to what everyone here tows with their 5.7/6.4/6.7? I threw my #s and reasons for gasser purchase out there, what are the rest of you doing?

Heaviest thing I tow is this which is about 13-14k....


and sometimes I tag this along.....


or this (not the tractor)....



And I also tow this...


to take these guys/gals to auction or transfer them between properties....


Don't have any pictures of the gooseneck flat bed which is used for hauling hay.

 

[wyo2track]

The RZR is around 6'. Interior height is 7'6". I'm 6'4" in shoes and have to duck a little to get under the bed. It's height is adjustable though.

How does that big red Work & Play wagon slip through the air behind your hemi Drittal? Looks heavy. All these posts of these bigger RV's is kinda giving me the bug to get something bigger....

 

[BossHogg]

I'm tugging this 15,000 pound behemoth around, definitely in the diesel world for this. I also tug my tractor around but I haven't upload any pictures to photobucket yet.

 

[drittal]

How does that big red Work & Play wagon slip through the air behind your hemi Drittal? Looks heavy. All these posts of these bigger RV's is kinda giving me the bug to get something bigger....

Not too bad. Total length is 36', box length of about 31'. The nose is kind of aerodynamic and the roof line isn't that tall. The genset and propane bottles are under that nose, and a closet/cabinet in the bathroom is also. The yellow sticker has a empty weight around 8200lbs with 5100lb cargo capacity. Empty tongue around 1700. Average 8ish unless windy, but i don't tow at 80. 110g fresh, 38/38 grey/black.

We bought it for its open floor plan and its the only one we found with the ability to carry a small car. Well, besides HUGE 5er/goosenecks. The down side is there is no dedicated bedroom. The bathroom is at the very front, then kitchen. The rest of the floor plan is a dinette that folds against the wall or into a bed and couch that does the same. Then queen bed at the very rear on electric jacks. We added curtains between the two to give some privacy. But 21' or so of garage space is nice. On rainy days there is plenty of room for our girls to play inside.

 

[SouthTexan]

How does that big red Work & Play wagon slip through the air behind your hemi Drittal? Looks heavy. All these posts of these bigger RV's is kinda giving me the bug to get something bigger....

I am actually thinking about doing the opposite. I am getting the bug to build me another off road Jeep. Only problem is that most lifted Jeeps with large tires do not fit in toy haulers so I just scraped the toy hauler idea so the wife can have her "doll house" as I call it. Then one day when I was out wheeling at Hidden Falls I saw a setup like this.





Truck Camper On A Gooseneck

I figure since I already have a gooseneck flatbed then a used truck camper can't be all that expensive. Hell, I can even use it when I go on hunting trips up north where I can bring my own rig and a place to sleep.

 

[SouthTexan]

I'm tugging this 15,000 pound behemoth around, definitely in the diesel world for this. I also tug my tractor around but I haven't upload any pictures to photobucket yet.

Nice rig.

No need to upload them to photobucket. Just click the attachment manager in red below and upload your pics.

 

[drittal]

I think this is actually my camper, lol...

https://youtu.be/TeN1QgvpZfs