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[amm24dmb]

2020 Ram 1500 crew with 59,000 on it. Hemi VVT. Too many miles? It’s a level 2 and priced well. Just curious about the 2020 model year with this Hemi. Anything to worry about? Thanks!

 

[crash68]

Well it's 59,000 miles closer to wiping out a cam lobe or exhaust manifolds warping but when that happens could be a few thousand miles or several hundred thousand miles... LOL
Those are the two big problems that have haunted all the Hemi engines for years. Some people think $12 a quart oil will save the cam yet other never have the problem using quick lube mystery bulk oil.
If this truck is at a dealership and it's extremely clean you know they have good detailers.

 

[Burla]

On the test drive leave engine running while warm and check for warm idle tick, which is almost more like a knock. If it doesnt have warm idle hemi tick, it is a good sign you have a good ram. Now it can pop up, but I'd feel comfortable with those miles. What is a level 2?

 

[turkeybird56]

@Burla:

Level 2 is trim, packaging. OP, which trim: Bighorn, or Laramie etc. But Level 2 equipment group is also tied to trim: As in which Model 1500. Changes with different models also. So really depends upon both the model bought, which trim-equipment level, and also sometimes location, as there may be SPECIFIC groups of features/options that replace standard equipment for a particular region, like Texas, or say Northeast.

FROM WEB:
What is Level 2 in a Ram truck?
Level 2 has some nice features the level 1 doesn't have… proximity sensor, heated and cooled front and rear seats, reclining rear seats, digital rear view, HK sound, 360° camera, fob tail gate release, more alcantara, head up display.

 

[turkeybird56]

BURLA: Here is my Optional Equipment installed over Standard for an "early" build Bighorn CC 4 X 4: Note my build/trim level, so I do not get some of the goodies that come with the packages on the higher trim levels which also have different equipment groups: Also my equipment package is for Dallas Region: My son had a leased 2019 that was a later build and he could not get LED lighting, but had more options interior. He now has a leased 22 I think, BUT I cannot get him off of the Lease BS, but his wallet, lmao.

OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT: And of course optional replace standard:

Deluxe Cloth Bucket Seat
Black/Light Mountain Brown
Premium Lighting Group (Not available in later Bighorn, ONLY early build, and I got one of the 1st Built, April 2018 Build).
Big Horn non-BSG Lvl 2 Equip. Group NOTE: ********
180 Amp Alternator
Bucket Seats
4 Way Front Headrests
Rear 60/40 Folding Seat
Supp. Side Curtain Frt/Rr Air Bags
Heated Front Seats
Three Rear Seat Head Restraints
Front Seat Back Map Pockets
Full Length Floor Console
Foam Bottle Insert (Door Trim Pnl)
8-Spd Auto 8HP75 Trans (Buy-US)
Anti-Spin Differential Rear Axle
5.7L V8 HEMI MDS VVT Engine
Rear Window Defroster
Rear Power Sliding Window
Sun Visors w/Illum Vanity Mirrors
Rear View Auto Dim Mirror
Auto Dim Exterior Driver Mirror
Power Heated Mirrors, Fold-Away
Air Cond ATC w/Dual Zone Control
Cluster 7.0" TFT Color Display
GPS Antenna Input
Active Noise Control System
Power 4-Way Driver Lumbar Adjust
Power 8-Way Driver Seat
Frt Pass Seat - Manual Adjust 4-Way
LED Taillamps
Glove Box Lamp
Ext. Mirrors w/Supplemental Signals
Exterior Mirrors Courtesy Lamps
Power-Folding Mirrors
Rear Dome w/On/Off Switch Lamp
Front LED Fog Lamps
LED Reflector Headlamps
Security Alarm
IP Badge "Big Horn"
Dampened Tailgate
Hemi Badge
50 State Emissions
Dual Rear Exhaust w/Bright Tips
Exterior Mirrors w/Heating Element
Heated Steering Wheel
Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
Flame Red Clear Coat
All Radio Equipped Vehicles
Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Ctrls
8.4" Touchscreen Display
Apple CarPlay
Google Android Auto
Single Disc Remote CD Player
SiriusXM Satellite Radio
Integrated Center Stack Radio
Goodyear Brand Tires
Uconnect 4 with 8.4" Display
All Aluminum Wheels
Power Adjustable Pedals
Remote Start System
Class IV Receiver Hitch
Universal Garage Door Opener
Parksense Ft/Rr Park Assist w/Stop
Center Console Parts Module
1-Yr. SiriusXM Radio Service
For More Info, Call 800-643-2112
5 Additional Gallons of Gas
Spring - Left Front
Spring - Left Rear
Spring - Right Front
Spring - Right Rear
GVW Rating - 7100#
Customer Preferred Package 2TZ
Customer Preferred Package 25Z
Bighorn Level 2 Equip Pkg Savings
Sales Tracking
Easy Order
United States Region Group
NAFTA Region
------------------------------------------
Build To U.S. Mkt. Specifications
U.S. Dealer Retail
Zone 63-Dallas
U.S. Specifications Label
Texas Ship to State Code
Texas Sold to State Code

 

[JayLeonard]

The “ springs” crack me up. I have them too lol
And the 5 additional gallons. ( mine is diesel though. Glad they got it right)

 

[Dave Haddon]

So typical do dads that most of these Rams have but nothing special, not that there would be, same old same old on the power train. The list just looks good volume wise..you get tired of reading it..BUT..5 additional gal of gas AND a Foam Bottle insert to boot..WOW!!!

 

[brian42]

I sold my 2019 a month shy of 4 years old with 86K on the odometer. Parking it next to my dad's 2020 with 5K miles and you wouldn't have know it had and extra 80K miles on it...and it drove just as good.

Industry standard is about 12K miles/year average (real average is probably closer to 15K/year) so 59K isn't that high.

Any info on the prior owner? Not all high miles are the same. I live 30 miles from work, 30 miles from my parents, and 30 miles from my oldest kid (all in different directions) so rack up the miles on the highway going between all of them.

My 86K personal miles (mostly highway and a lot of steady state "cruising") were probably a lot easier on the truck than if it had 40K miles of Uber, Door Dash, pizza delivery, and Amazon dude.

Just my .02

 

[Wild one]

BURLA: Here is my Optional Equipment installed over Standard for an "early" build Bighorn CC 4 X 4: Note my build/trim level, so I do not get some of the goodies that come with the packages on the higher trim levels which also have different equipment groups: Also my equipment package is for Dallas Region: My son had a leased 2019 that was a later build and he could not get LED lighting, but had more options interior. He now has a leased 22 I think, BUT I cannot get him off of the Lease BS, but his wallet, lmao.

OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT: And of course optional replace standard:

Deluxe Cloth Bucket Seat
Black/Light Mountain Brown
Premium Lighting Group (Not available in later Bighorn, ONLY early build, and I got one of the 1st Built, April 2018 Build).
Big Horn non-BSG Lvl 2 Equip. Group NOTE: ********
180 Amp Alternator
Bucket Seats
4 Way Front Headrests
Rear 60/40 Folding Seat
Supp. Side Curtain Frt/Rr Air Bags
Heated Front Seats
Three Rear Seat Head Restraints
Front Seat Back Map Pockets
Full Length Floor Console
Foam Bottle Insert (Door Trim Pnl)
8-Spd Auto 8HP75 Trans (Buy-US)
Anti-Spin Differential Rear Axle
5.7L V8 HEMI MDS VVT Engine
Rear Window Defroster
Rear Power Sliding Window
Sun Visors w/Illum Vanity Mirrors
Rear View Auto Dim Mirror
Auto Dim Exterior Driver Mirror
Power Heated Mirrors, Fold-Away
Air Cond ATC w/Dual Zone Control
Cluster 7.0" TFT Color Display
GPS Antenna Input
Active Noise Control System
Power 4-Way Driver Lumbar Adjust
Power 8-Way Driver Seat
Frt Pass Seat - Manual Adjust 4-Way
LED Taillamps
Glove Box Lamp
Ext. Mirrors w/Supplemental Signals
Exterior Mirrors Courtesy Lamps
Power-Folding Mirrors
Rear Dome w/On/Off Switch Lamp
Front LED Fog Lamps
LED Reflector Headlamps
Security Alarm
IP Badge "Big Horn"
Dampened Tailgate
Hemi Badge
50 State Emissions
Dual Rear Exhaust w/Bright Tips
Exterior Mirrors w/Heating Element
Heated Steering Wheel
Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
Flame Red Clear Coat
All Radio Equipped Vehicles
Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Ctrls
8.4" Touchscreen Display
Apple CarPlay
Google Android Auto
Single Disc Remote CD Player
SiriusXM Satellite Radio
Integrated Center Stack Radio
Goodyear Brand Tires
Uconnect 4 with 8.4" Display
All Aluminum Wheels
Power Adjustable Pedals
Remote Start System
Class IV Receiver Hitch
Universal Garage Door Opener
Parksense Ft/Rr Park Assist w/Stop
Center Console Parts Module
1-Yr. SiriusXM Radio Service
For More Info, Call 800-643-2112
5 Additional Gallons of Gas
Spring - Left Front
Spring - Left Rear
Spring - Right Front
Spring - Right Rear
GVW Rating - 7100#
Customer Preferred Package 2TZ
Customer Preferred Package 25Z
Bighorn Level 2 Equip Pkg Savings
Sales Tracking
Easy Order
United States Region Group
NAFTA Region
------------------------------------------
Build To U.S. Mkt. Specifications
U.S. Dealer Retail
Zone 63-Dallas
U.S. Specifications Label
Texas Ship to State Code
Texas Sold to State Code

CD player,i didn't know anybody still used CD's anymore,lol.

 

[brian42]

Mine had the CD player. I think they ditched that in 2020 or 2021 and just put in an extra pocket.

I was a CD person until this truck so was happy to get one. With all the media inputs and USB ports compared to my last truck it took me less than a year to be a convert - I burned all my CDs to digital and put my music on a thumb drive (and sold my CDs at a garage sale).

After the first year I wished i had a pocket instead as I never used the CD player again.

 

[1stindoor]

I just traded my 2018 with 119,000 miles on it. So mileage wouldn't be an issue for me. It's how those miles were accrued that I would question.

 

[turkeybird56]

The “ springs” crack me up. I have them too lol
And the 5 additional gallons. ( mine is diesel though. Glad they got it right)

What kills me, you pay sooooooo much for a truck and they gotta add a charge for "5" gallons of gas, so U can move the truck like loading and stuff, just tooooo much.

 

[turkeybird56]

CD player,i didn't know anybody still used CD's anymore,lol.

THEY put single CD Players in the 2019's. WHY, dunno? I have used it once in a while. Got a Janis Joplin CD in the truck somewhere, LOL.

 

[turkeybird56]

THEY put single CD Players in the 2019's. WHY, dunno? I have used it once in a while. Got a Janis Joplin CD in the truck somewhere, LOL.

BUT, IMHO, very humble, I think the music off a CD sounds better than a thumb drive, U just not gonna be able to put a mass amount on one unless you use a DVD, and I do not even know if these CD players will play a DVD vs CD. I think with FAT and all on USB's, 32 GB may be the limit, not sure. Just not play enuf with stuff like that. I am one of the ODD BOIRDS: I still have SIRIUS in my truck, which I pay for, instead of messing with Media as truck parked 98% of the time and 99% of the time, just local runs.

 

[JayLeonard]

BUT, IMHO, very humble, I think the music off a CD sounds better than a thumb drive, U just not gonna be able to put a mass amount on one unless you use a DVD, and I do not even know if these CD players will play a DVD vs CD. I think with FAT and all on USB's, 32 GB may be the limit, not sure. Just not play enuf with stuff like that. I am one of the ODD BOIRDS: I still have SIRIUS in my truck, which I pay for, instead of messing with Media as truck parked 98% of the time and 99% of the time, just local runs.

I still use Sirius in my truck. I renew for $9.99 when it’s due.
I also use a thumb drive in our trailer and the wife’s Odyssey, 1800 plus songs on a 16 GB drive with still more space.

 

[Mike Wenrich]

Is that $9.99 per month? I pay a lot more than that on a yearly rate. $189 for one that might be the truck and more for a home based unit in the garage.

 

[tron67j]

It's funny, the issue about data compression from a CD to a thumb drive is not nearly as impactful as it was converting from record to CD. If you listen to a song on a record and then listen to it on a CD. You'd be amazed that you can pick up nuances of how different it sounds.

But for transferring music from a CD to a storage device. You can select to not compress the data so that you get the same exact sound regardless of how you listen to the music. However, a CD on average will hold about 700 MB of data. So if you have a 32 gb storage device and don't compress you're going to not get your entire collection on it. Of course you can compress the data and put more CDs on one thumb drive, but then you might hear a difference. Although today's technology is pretty good about limiting audio impact so maybe not an issue.

 

[Timsdually]

I still use Sirius in my truck. I renew for $9.99 when it’s due.
I also use a thumb drive in our trailer and the wife’s Odyssey, 1800 plus songs on a 16 GB drive with still more space.

Sirius is the only radio I listen to:
Deep Tracks

 

[Wild one]

Is that $9.99 per month? I pay a lot more than that on a yearly rate. $189 for one that might be the truck and more for a home based unit in the garage.

Grind on them,i usually get 6 months of Sirus in Canada for under 30 bucks Canuck.I only get 6 months at a time,then cancel the automatic renewal,and in about a week i get a letter asking me to sign up,then i'll phone them and tell them i won't pay anymore then 25 bucks for 6 months,and they'll usually go for it."Do Not " do the automatic renewal,they'll gouge you to death on the automatic renewals

 

[brian42]

That sounds like the Platinum package (used to be All Access) for $10/month.

I have the Music & Entertainment package (used to be Premium I think) for about 1/2 that. I pay yearly and it was about $80 last time I renewed (service + fees).