Synthetic Oil

[Burla]

Do you know if Redline is trinuclear moly?

So all I got when I emailed them is it is organic oil soluble moly, and it never is visually noticeable like MSO2. I would move up to 5w30, and don't toss your Amsoil if it is young. The moly never sits on the bottom of the redline quarts and always reads high in UOA's. I forget anything past that.

I honestly Can't see Amsoil Signature Series being the root cause of this issue!! It as well as PuP both are remarkably Robust Oils...

Not Penzoils or Amsoils fault Ram has such shotty lifter design. Even redline wont get all of the ticks, sometimes you might have to replace the lifters.

 

[TheFactor]

I honestly Can't see Amsoil Signature Series being the root cause of this issue!! It as well as PuP both are remarkably Robust Oils...

I am so thankful I made the switch to 5W-30!

I do hope you find the root cause of this issue and get it resolved ASAP!

I don't think he thinks it caused it but more to the effect of hoping something cures it .

 

[rocket]

Dumb question maybe, but can you put a oil catch can on a 2005 hemi or only the new ones?

Yes you can put it on yours !
Go to Oil Catch Cans | Everything you need to know and more!

It's gonna take a little more than just a web check....The inlet for the catch can is a hose off of the oil filler cap on the 3rd gens. Then the outlet needs to be routed past the oem air filter.....in my case with a cai, I need too find a suitable mounting area.

 

[TheFactor]

Damn I'm glad I found this thread and this Forum !

So I changed my oil today , I went with REDLINE 5W -30 and a Royal Purple filter 10-48 .

Sorry for this being so long , I'll be tying several things in on this simple oil change .

First off the oil I'm draining is whatever bulk oil the dealer uses , it had 5k on it and I couldn't wait any longer .



This stuff was blacker than a coal miners lung and thinner than water ! So glad I went with a 30 wt.



I drained it like the pic below and no mess at all .


I've heard many complain about how dificult and messy the filter removal is . It would be tough from below ! I went in from the front and it was not bad at all , I put absorbent pads down and put a zip lock bag over it , a couple twist & let it drain then remove ( I didn't spill a single drop !)


Not a drop !


Not to beat a dead horse but I did look at the Anti-Drain Back Valve (ADBV) on my mopar filter and compare it to the one on the RP 10-48 . It's dificult to see in the photo but it is exactly the same .


Next I dumped my Elite Engineering Oil Catch Can . WOW ! More than I thought ! If you don't have an OCC on your Hemi you should get one NOW ! This can is 9 OZ I'm not an agresive driver and the last 5k miles I haven't towed anything . I'd say there's aprox 8.5 OZ in this can and not in my intake !



I've never thought my Hemi was loud , a very light hemi tick but I've heard others that wer much worse , I started up the truck and WOW ! so sooooo quiet and smooth ! It's so quiet Damn I can hear my radiator fan LOL I've never heard my fan ! LOL !
Wow I'm so glad I went with REDLINE 5W -30 oil ! !

Now I go on a test drive , I've been watching my oil pressure at diff operating RPMs and driving conditions along with the oil Temps .
With the dealers bulk oil @ aprox 200° the oil pressure would go down to 25 psi when I'm stopped at a red light @ idle and around 48 -54 during normal driving and 57 psi on the interstate @ 80 mph .

In comparison with the Redline 30 wt . @ 200° at idle 42 psi and normal driving 54-57 and at 80 mph 62 psi .

Only 25 miles on the 30wt oil but no oil pressure messages!
Hope this lengthy post helps someone!

Mind if I ask what catch can your running? That thing is pretty sweet !!!
Was checking out moes but I think yours looks nicer

 

[R.L.K.]

Elite Engineering

You can find it a www.oilcatchcan.com

Or www.eliteengineeringusa.com

Good reading there and a where can I buy one link that takes you to Elite Engineering. If I remember the catch cans listed on their site for the 5.7 only goes up to 2010 or something , I called and verified the one they have listed is good through 2015 .

Hope this helps!

 

[TheFactor]

Elite Engineering

Thanks ! Just checked them out and it says it's for a 2006 hemi , I'm guessing it works just needed different mounting brackets if so which ones or did you make your own?
I know from posts and your threads your pretty good like that

 

[Nutshell]

It's not. I have a feeling I may be getting a lifter replaced under warranty.

 

[R.L.K.]

Thanks ! Just checked them out and it says it's for a 2006 hemi , I'm guessing it works just needed different mounting brackets if so which ones or did you make your own?
I know from posts and your threads your pretty good like that

Yes the one listed is good through 2015 , I called and verified.
As far as the mounting I had them send me two diff mounting brackets , the real nice black anodized bracket worked great , I did add a large area washer under the head of the bolt but even that was not necessary.
I purchased the basic kit . If you get one PM me and I'll send better closeup pics of where and how I mounted mine .

Contact them and ask Qs about the mounting www.eliteengineeringusa.com

 

[R.L.K.]

It's not. I have a feeling I may be getting a lifter replaced under warranty.

You wouldn't be the first , I believe ive read on here by a member who's a Ram tech ( techtack) I think that's his forum name .
Anyway he posted or commented on lifter replacements with our hemi .

Maybe look him up and follow his post you'll be able to follow it this way .

 

[Nutshell]

You wouldn't be the first , I believe ive read on here by a member who's a Ram tech ( techtack) I think that's his forum name .
Anyway he posted or commented on lifter replacements with our hemi .

Maybe look him up and follow his post you'll be able to follow it this way .

I'm hoping the right filter/oil combination will fix this. I really don't want to have this brand new motor torn down.

 

[R.L.K.]

Try a good 30 wt oil , for a while just to see .

 

[Nutshell]

Try a good 30 wt oil , for a while just to see .

I really want to. I've just been gunshot with the whole MDS thing. I've been looking at 0w-30 as a compromise.

 

[TheFactor]

Yes the one listed is good through 2015 , I called and verified.
As far as the mounting I had them send me two diff mounting brackets , the real nice black anodized bracket worked great , I did add a large area washer under the head of the bolt but even that was not necessary.
I purchased the basic kit . If you get one PM me and I'll send better closeup pics of where and how I mounted mine .

Contact them and ask Qs about the mounting Corvette Aftermarket Parts, Camaro, GTO Performance Parts, Accessories

Thanks , before I pull the trigger I'll do that

 

[TheFactor]

I really want to. I've just been gunshot with the whole MDS thing. I've been looking at 0w-30 as a compromise.

I just have to wonder and not to rain on the 5W30 parade. But I wonder if that's why Ram recommends 5W20 a oil that's so thin so it cuts down on the chances of the tick and not just for better fuel economy .
Maybe because being so thin it gets in those hard to reach areas better .
Just a uneducated guess ?

 

[smiley]

You wouldn't be the first , I believe ive read on here by a member who's a Ram tech ( techtack) I think that's his forum name .
Anyway he posted or commented on lifter replacements with our hemi .

Maybe look him up and follow his post you'll be able to follow it this way .

The dealer wanted to open up my engine to replace lifters. I declined because honestly I did not agree. It was exhaust manifold and all is well. Even if the lifter were to be a little loud it does not mean the engine needs to be opened up. Be strategic do the easy external stuff first change oil types and filter and see what happens. I could have listened to the dealer and that would have been a waste of time great for them though. These engines are great highly unlikely it actually needs surgery.

 

[smiley]

I just have to wonder and not to rain on the 5W30 parade. But I wonder if that's why Ram recommends 5W20 a oil that's so thin so it cuts down on the chances of the tick and not just for better fuel economy .
Maybe because being so thin it gets in those hard to reach areas better .
Just a uneducated guess ?

If it was me and I was going to go to a 30 I would run 0W-30 that allow amazing flow at startup and a little more protection from burn off and heat when running it hard. I am at 112000 running 0W-20 and 5W-20 throughout its life and a lot of towing and idling.

 

[TheFactor]

If it was me and I was going to go to a 30 I would run 0W-30 that allow amazing flow at startup and a little more protection from burn off and heat when running it hard. I am at 112000 running 0W-20 and 5W-20 throughout its life and a lot of towing and idling.

I definitely don't have any plans to switch to 5w30 anytime soon . I agree with your choices and thoughts

 

[Burla]

I just have to wonder and not to rain on the 5W30 parade. But I wonder if that's why Ram recommends 5W20 a oil that's so thin so it cuts down on the chances of the tick and not just for better fuel economy .
Maybe because being so thin it gets in those hard to reach areas better .
Just a uneducated guess ?

The oil pump is the equalizer, 5w20 wont get to metal any faster then 5w30 in any meaningful amount of time, but the film strength will be 25%ish more with 30 weight, just a guess on my part. Remember most of the time your oil is hot, and 5w30 is also thin oil, just a little less thin then 5w20. It is a fact in the lab 5w20 got more gas mileage in a test engine. The manu is so desperate yo be up the govt's ass they need to show they are taking that CAFE **** seriously.

However, I must be the first to admit that 5w20 has been successful in the fact there hasn't been a bunch of engine failures. But as an oil guy, I don't like it. Also, there have been horrible wear numbers with 5w20 in Hemi's, we need more 5w30 UOA's to determine if that lowers wear numbers in the hemi. When we find that out, my work is done

 

[RodRam]

imo using the best designed oil filter that has the silicon bypass seal over the cheaper rubber seal like most all cheap made filters including mopars is the best way to end the tic if its oil related. Mobil one is rated best, royal purple is good too, my 15, 5.7 has the tic now and then so first oil change im going with 5-20 and the M1-113

 

[RAM_Designs]

TAlso, there have been horrible wear numbers with 5w20 in Hemi's, we need more 5w30 UOA's to determine if that lowers wear numbers in the hemi. When we find that out, my work is done

This.

I have noticed the high amount of wear metals as well. I've never been a fan of thin oil either, don't care what the manufacturer recommends. Thicker oil has never failed me, and it keeps my engine quieter...win/win in my book.