Synthetic Oil

[HEMIMANN]

Huh - I thought it was something before that letter from Dave.

 

[Burla]

Huh - I thought it was something before that letter from Dave.

not in my email, I just went through them all

 

[Burla]

over 30 uses for wd40, I love this kind of stuff. I wouldnt mind finding 100 uses for the stuff.

um honey why do the carpets smell like that stuff you spray on the locks, lol?

 

[HEMIMANN]

Thanks, @Burla

Sounds low risk to try new RL 0W-30, but I'm stocked up with original formu6for a couple years, otherwise I'd post a UOA in the spring.

 

[Burla]

I sure wished I would have bought more redline when I could find it 10 bucks a quart, looks like those days are long gone. Some America we have now, oreo cookies damn 7.49 for small size and that was before the school loan inflation about to hit. Redline will likely be double from what it was two years ago, just like most things. f'n ridiculous man.

 

[Burla]

Time to start extended those intervals with some bgmoa? Looks to be around 12-13 a can, I'd push my oci to 10k miles easy with this, some say not even needed.

My guess is the new formula is high MAG not as much CA, but I have seen any voa or uoa? has anyone seen this, or just old formula out there?

70 bucks for 5

2 for 30 bucks


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[Burla]

Now, should you attempt a tbn booster with a shelf oil? CA has been attached with higher wear since the early pages of this thread, it competes with aw additives and when those arent working more wear happens. Now, when amsoil was high CA you see low wear numbers, but that was before they adopted a API formula. Now, after they adopted an API formula they lowered the CA, but increased the MAG, and MAG is not attached to deposits . It has never mattered with redline, they have had high CA but we know what the stuff can do, perhaps because they have a ridiculous amount of AW/EP additives over shelf oils, it simply laughs at the CA level, ha good try CA? There is a lot of misinformation about MAG out there, but the fact it is known to cause less desposits that cause lspi should give you a hint of which tbn booster is "safer". The new version of bgmoa has to favor MAG over CA, but I have actually seen it on paper yet. IT can't be anything else, it has to be either CA or MAG. PQIA on CA/MAG.

If you come to the conclusion maybe you shouldnt use a TBN booster and be on a shorter interval, I couldn't agree more. But if you are happy that your boutique oil is keeping tick away and that you can't pay 15 bucks a freaking quart for a 3k mile interval, well look at a lspi friendly TBN booster, eventhough you need not worry about lspi those formulas in theory will have less deposits. If I was using a shelf oil, no way would I use a TBN booster, Kirkland 5w30 is just too cheap, along with havoline box oil or walmart supertech 10k mile formula. If cost is a concern there are options, some of us are stuck on this redline train we gotta do what we gotta due. The juice isnt worth the squeeze on most TBN boosters and our engines, they are popular with rigs and their 20 gallon sumps or perhaps in our unique situation where we are forced to use expensive oils. I forget the HP lubes CA/MAG levls, what were those anyone?

 

[Burla]

With this last spec SP, did the API overrule oem specs? How can you have stay in grade specs and an api that forces viscosities to start on the low end of the grade? Did dexos change their spec to match SP? I cant see how you can have both. Is stay in grade a bad joke anyhow?

 

[HEMIMANN]

@Burla is such a corrupter I'm putting Red Line in all 3 Harley Holes next week. 'Course, that's kinda a well-known app., but still.

HPL doesn't publish additive levels on their data sheets (I looked), will have to wait for a kind user to post a UOA. HPL does imply they lean heavy on Mg additive though. Here's verbatim copied from their marketing sheet:

"The correct detergent selection combined with base stocks that have low volatility will combat low speed pre-ignition (LPSI) making it a perfect oil for gasoline direct injected (GDI) engines and small displacement turbocharged gasoline engines. HPL PCMO Premium Plus is also formulated with extra anti-wear and antioxidant additives to minimize wear while offering an extended oil life compared to other motor oils. "

 

[ramffml]

@Burla is such a corrupter I'm putting Red Line in all 3 Harley Holes next week. 'Course, that's kinda a well-known app., but still.

HPL doesn't publish additive levels on their data sheets (I looked), will have to wait for a kind user to post a UOA. HPL does imply they lean heavy on Mg additive though. Here's verbatim copied from their marketing sheet:

"The correct detergent selection combined with base stocks that have low volatility will combat low speed pre-ignition (LPSI) making it a perfect oil for gasoline direct injected (GDI) engines and small displacement turbocharged gasoline engines. HPL PCMO Premium Plus is also formulated with extra anti-wear and antioxidant additives to minimize wear while offering an extended oil life compared to other motor oils. "

You shouldn't have to wait that long, I sent up a VOA sample of the passenger premium plus 0w-30 oil along with my old m1 0w-40 oil last week and I'll post the results to the blackstone thread when I get them.

 

[Burla]

@Burla is such a corrupter I'm putting Red Line in all 3 Harley Holes next week. 'Course, that's kinda a well-known app., but still.

HPL doesn't publish additive levels on their data sheets (I looked), will have to wait for a kind user to post a UOA. HPL does imply they lean heavy on Mg additive though. Here's verbatim copied from their marketing sheet:

"The correct detergent selection combined with base stocks that have low volatility will combat low speed pre-ignition (LPSI) making it a perfect oil for gasoline direct injected (GDI) engines and small displacement turbocharged gasoline engines. HPL PCMO Premium Plus is also formulated with extra anti-wear and antioxidant additives to minimize wear while offering an extended oil life compared to other motor oils. "

What where you running before, and how did it sound after?

 

[moparchas]

I am fairly sure they are not.


$miley

Wix XP filter is for synthetic oil

 

[HEMIMANN]

What where you running before, and how did it sound after?

Well, I bought this bike new, & they come from the factory with H-D Mineral Oil 20W-50. Had Dealer change oil for break-in @ 1,000 miles with H-D 'Synthetic' 20W-50, just for convenience with all the other work. I've read H-D Syn is just an API Group III from somebody. However, it did quiet down the mechanical clankiness of the engine and gear train significantly. Being an air-cooled motor, you hear all the clanking and clacking of the various parts without the damping of water jackets.

I expect Red Line 20W-50 to quiet it down further, per what I've read. Transmission whir might decline too.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Today I made the move to Red Line in all three of my Harley holes. Anxious to take it out, but it's 60 degrees F and raining, and I'm not a hardcore rider. So I'll wait to see any difference.

I bought this bike new, was surprised how clanky the moving parts were. I presume these ship filled with regular mineral oil, because I had the Dealer do the 1st breakin oil change @ 1,000 miles with H-D synthetic oil and it quieted down noticeably. I've read Red Line quiets it down further. I believe that, as noisy as this air-cooled motor is.

 

[Burla]

Did something happen this week that causes gas prices to spike? In ONE single week gas is up two dollars a gallon here. I have not seen gas lines since the 70's when mom would take us in the Pinto and wait for an hour and wonder if we would run out of gas while we were in line, she'd bring us in case we needed to push, lol. The gas line at costco was three times the longest I ever seen it. Price per barrel seams reasonable, this is a self inflicted wound somewhere unless production is down for some reason?

 

[Burla]

Googled it, looks like it is a CA problem and not nation wide... That is actually good news imo, I thought it might be something worse.

In California, refineries have struggled to meet recent demands even with lower oil prices.

"Unfortunately, now that we're down to about 10 refineries that make California gasoline in the state, even one disruption can cause a very big price spike," said Severin Borenstein, a professor at UC Berkeley's HAAS School of Business. "And we've had more than one."

 

[18CrewDually]

Today I made the move to Red Line in all three of my Harley holes. Anxious to take it out, but it's 60 degrees F and raining, and I'm not a hardcore rider. So I'll wait to see any difference.

I bought this bike new, was surprised how clanky the moving parts were. I presume these ship filled with regular mineral oil, because I had the Dealer do the 1st breakin oil change @ 1,000 miles with H-D synthetic oil and it quieted down noticeably. I've read Red Line quiets it down further. I believe that, as noisy as this air-cooled motor is.

My Father has an 07 Ultra 140kmi and a 2017 Street Glide with over 100k. He swears by Redline. The oil dampens the clunk into gear and shifts smoother. He was skeptical too (he wasn't a believer in Syn oils worth) but it is all he uses. The Street glide he bought brand new, the Ultra might of had 6k when he got it IIRC. He does all his own services.

 

[Burla]

Redline, kills hemi tick and dampens clunks, who knew?

 

[tjfdesmo]

Redlne shockproof gear oil is a must for HD transmissions. You will notice a difference. The added bonus is if you get a leak between the trans and primary case the color will give it away.

 

[06 Dodge]

Googled it, looks like it is a CA problem and not nation wide... That is actually good news imo, I thought it might be something worse.

In California, refineries have struggled to meet recent demands even with lower oil prices.

"Unfortunately, now that we're down to about 10 refineries that make California gasoline in the state, even one disruption can cause a very big price spike," said Severin Borenstein, a professor at UC Berkeley's HAAS School of Business. "And we've had more than one."

The Wests coast gas shortage has caused gas prices to jump 70 cents a gallon this week here in Portland OR Metro area, Diesel prices are holding steady...