2014 6.4 Blown/Locked Up

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well he said he put mobil1 in it. mobil1 website clearly says they dont make a 0w-40 that meets the chrysler specification. hard to say what he dumped in there, 20w50, 5w30, 10w40. lord only knows

My truck runs very well on mobil1 0W40. The pennz is a major ripoff price wise and I only run it when there is a good sale.
 

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My truck runs very well on mobil1 0W40. The pennz is a major ripoff price wise and I only run it when there is a good sale.
That oil might run great but IF you run into engine trouble and you're still under any FCA warranty they will void it the minute they determine you used a non-approved product. Just FYI.
 

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These 6.4 are not a high mileage engine. Good luck getting it to 100k. Mines a 2018 and already some loud ticking and rough idle. And I only have 62k miles. I'll be happy to get 80,000.

2015 6.4 with 141000 on it. Runs and sounds great. Must be one of the lucky ones. Treat it right and it will treat you right. Just went from Ohio to Florida and back pulling my travel trailer without an issue.


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Recommended doesn't mean required. I'll be out of warranty in 2500 miles.
Right out of the owners manual.
"Use Pennzoil Ultra 0W–40 engine or equivalent MOPAR oil meeting the FCA US Material Standard MS-12633 for use in all operating temperatures."

Understand it makes no difference to you due to your warranty but it may to others, especially those that are under warranty or bought the extended ones.
 

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I find it odd that the original poster had a locked up truck over two months ago and we haven’t heard any more about the problem or solution. Feels like bull$hit when people post about a catastrophic failure then disappear into the wind. All
The while thousands of lurking people will read this post and think that Ram trucks don’t last past 140k miles.

smells like media manipulation to me, considering all the crap that is happening maybe I’m being overly skeptical
 

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I find it odd that the original poster had a locked up truck over two months ago and we haven’t heard any more about the problem or solution. Feels like bull$hit when people post about a catastrophic failure then disappear into the wind. All
The while thousands of lurking people will read this post and think that Ram trucks don’t last past 140k miles.

smells like media manipulation to me, considering all the crap that is happening maybe I’m being overly skeptical

its no different than the you tube video that clown uncle tony made. a ton of people probly watched it and now they think their lifters could explode at any minute. a good example is that ******* RBinNC character that was a member here not long ago. he watched the uncle tony video and was so convinced his lifters could fail at any moment that he up and sold a brand new ram and ordered a ford. then he started back peddling on the ford and is now on the ram cummins forum looking to purchase one of them. haha. ya RBinNC is a real piece of work
 

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comrade jerry - i found that thread in the TDR forum hard to read. that guy was clearly college educated, since he could correctly spell " d i c k " and resorted to name calling etc.
it seemed to me he took offense with every poster on that thread. anyways, cheers comrade.
 

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I can't believe any mass produced engine would fail because you didn't use PUP, Amsoil or Redline.
 

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I can't believe any mass produced engine would fail because you didn't use PUP, Amsoil or Redline.

i havent looked into the 12633 fca specification and what it consists of but its important to know what your putting in the engine. no mobil1 oils have the 12633. many other oils probly dont either. you wouldnt put typeF in a trans that calls for atf+4. you wouldnt put dex3 in a tcase that calls for 80w90. why do people pour some random oil in their 6.4 ? put whatever oil you want in there but dont run back here crying if something fails, like RBinNC who put some kind of napa oil in his 6.4, probly wasnt even 0w40 let alone have the 12633. then he complain the mds dont work right

i find it funny that alot of people barely know how to change the oil but by disregarding the oil spec theyre clearly pretending to know more than the engineers
 

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I can't believe any mass produced engine would fail because you didn't use PUP, Amsoil or Redline.

Things are high-tech these days. I had one of the very first 6.4s on here back in 2014 and remember a lot of discussion about oil and there were guys getting CELs from using the wrong stuff (wrong weight if I remember right, not just wrong brand).

I've had every oil change in the last 6+ years done at the dealer just to avoid the hassle and finger pointing if something were to go wrong.
 

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i havent looked into the 12633 fca specification and what it consists of but its important to know what your putting in the engine. no mobil1 oils have the 12633. many other oils probly dont either. you wouldnt put typeF in a trans that calls for atf+4. you wouldnt put dex3 in a tcase that calls for 80w90. why do people pour some random oil in their 6.4 ? put whatever oil you want in there but dont run back here crying if something fails, like RBinNC who put some kind of napa oil in his 6.4, probly wasnt even 0w40 let alone have the 12633. then he complain the mds dont work right

i find it funny that alot of people barely know how to change the oil but by disregarding the oil spec theyre clearly pretending to know more than the engineers
Only time will tell...
 

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Trans fluid requirements and engine oil requirements are two totally different animals.
 

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the moral of the story isnt trans oil vs engine oil. rather approved fluids vs non approved fluids. doesnt matter if its engine, trans, power steering, brake system, differential, tcase. if you use non approved fluids your a idiot and deserve to be broke down on side of the road looking like a fool
 

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Only thing is, there isn't anything special about the FCA spec. Many oils can meet and exceed the spec, however, it cost $$$ to do that and many oil companies are tired of playing those games.

The trans fluid specs you mentioned are not obscure specs, they are distinctly different fluids.

That being said, there are also oils that wouldn't pass testing, I would be willing to be a large part of it is the detergent package as FCA went to long oil change intervals to look better on JD Powers cost of ownership.
Long OCI's look good on cost of ownership, however, are not nec. good for longevity. Note they also dropped the powertrain warranty mileage from 2016 on.
 

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I’m not a true believer in the pennzoil Srt 0w40. Yes it has more moly in it, but it’s not special in any other additive. I’ve mostly used it, but ran multiple delvac esp 5w40 OCI with no discernible difference. I don’t have a oil analysis to back up that claim. No lights came on, no flakes or glitter in the oil or filter when I changed it.

I wouldn’t be afraid to run delvac 15w40 if I were doing a ton of towing in the summer. The HDEO oils have been neutered in additives that they now look like the way 40w gas oils use to be.

I do not believe in long oil change intervals. I also agree they are to lower the cost of ownership and keep people from owning cars for 15-20 years.

The needle bearing issue with the lifters .... is that what people are so afraid about? Dirty oil or manufacturer defect? The needle bearings aren’t something unique to the hemi Chrysler engine, and other manufacturers don’t spec high moly to keep their bearings alive. So, leads back to argument, does the hemi have design defects with the oil splash that requires higher moly (which sticks and stays) to help?

We will never know, drive the your hemi and who cares! My last 2006 5.7 went 90k before I dropped an inertia cam, ported and polished heads, and SRT manifolds on it. I had used MS-6395 (not much moly) oil at 3-4K changes and the cam was smooth, heads were spotless, lifters we’re fine, and timing chain guides were perfect. I ran it for another 50k before I traded it in. Never used oil, and ticked since it was new.

I wish we had a shorty header option for our Ram 6.4’s. I’d like better flow and preserve the stock mid pipes and stay legal.
 
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None of that crap matters at all.

Bottom line is if your truck's under FCA warranty and you've been running a non-compliant oil in it then you can, and should, expect FCA to deny any engine warranty claim. Lots of big companies have been shown to void warranties due to the smallest little things and FCA is definitely no different as we've all heard the stories. These new motors cost a lot of money and if you blow one up you know FCA is going to check every little thing before giving you and $8K engine/labor.
 

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The engine isn’t going to fail because you used a full synthetic 40w substitute oil instead of 12633. Your point is that FCA will void warranty because you used the wrong oil, I agree that could happen. What I don’t like is how FCA and XOM don’t seem to get along anymore. Let’s not forget that Mobil 0w40 was factory pour for SRT engines!

the screwed up thing is that large corporate fleets— like the truck I drive— Chevy 6.0 2500, get nothing but 15w40 or 10w30 HDEO because they are a mixed fleet. These fleets have no problem getting warranty work, and I’ve talked to our mechanics nothing happens to the engines.
 

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The engine isn’t going to fail because you used a full synthetic 40w substitute oil instead of 12633. Your point is that FCA will void warranty because you used the wrong oil, I agree that could happen. What I don’t like is how FCA and XOM don’t seem to get along anymore. Let’s not forget that Mobil 0w40 was factory pour for SRT engines!

the screwed up thing is that large corporate fleets— like the truck I drive— Chevy 6.0 2500, get nothing but 15w40 or 10w30 HDEO because they are a mixed fleet. These fleets have no problem getting warranty work, and I’ve talked to our mechanics nothing happens to the engines.

Worked on a farm back in the day. 99 ram 2500 with the 5.9 magnum. Ran to 220k on 15w40


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