2025 Ram Order at Mark Dodge

Timsdually · Jan 21, 2024

Tulecreeper said:
Not me...ever.

Me, too.

Only if the buyer is will to put up with it. I ordered a RAM 1500 in July 2022. It was built and off the assembly line by mid-August. The 1st week in December it was still sitting in a back lot at the plant in Mexico - I cancelled that order. I'll give them 90 - 120 days to get me my vehicle, then I walk.

The following month, in Jan 2023, I ordered my 2500. I told them the same thing - 3 months and I'm cancelling the order. They delivered my truck to me in 60 days. Order what you want, don't put up with the BS, and they will comply.

That was how I got my current truck, '20 3500 dually.
It had been custom ordered by a guy who gave up after 6 months of waiting. With one exception, up to that point I had ordered every truck I bought since 1985. I saw this truck as "on route" on a dealer website in OH. Exactly to the "T" of how I would have ordered it. I pounced on it. Sent the dealer a downpayment by FedEx the next day. That was Dec.30 2020. I made the purchase deadline for 2020 tax year. Picked up the truck Jan. 3 2021.

Doug Ram · Jan 22, 2024

Can someone please explain to someone who's never even seen a dealer try to get more than MSRP for a vehicle in my area (upstate NY). Why pay it and how are dealers getting it? I thought manufacturers frowned on this.... is it even legal in all states?

AnthonyRI · Jan 22, 2024

Mike1C5 said:
Anthony,

OK, just so I get this straight. Order is on hold for the GT Package which will be available to order in March. Then the truck will be set for build two months later in May. From then I believe you told me once the order goes in the truck should arrive in 2 to 4 months which would put it arriving sometime between July and September, is that correct?

So the delay would be because Ram would be building 2025 Ram’s mainly for dealer lots before a custom sold order, am I understanding that correctly? I believe you said that is your theory on why Ram would do this. I guess that would make sense since a sold custom order doesn’t stay on the lot where a “stock” dealer order is on the lot waiting for a customer. Not saying I agree with that but most people do not place a custom order, most walk on the lot and pick a truck waiting for a buyer!

I have custom ordered every single new vehicle I have ever purchased. I’m guessing there are few like me. The only time that went wrong was when an ordered 1990 Silverado came in without one option I had ordered. That meant another two month wait for the truck I ordered, total wait was four months. In todays world the wait time has really gotten much longer.

Sort of.

Your order is not placed yet, it is saved in my files and waiting for GT to open. At this point RAM does not know that it exists, and will not until it is placed. It's not that they're putting dealer stock before sold order specifically, it's that they have not decided to open GT yet. They're putting the masses before the few, sold order or not.

ESTIMATED build times are 10-16 weeks from order to receiving based on our historical data. GENERAL dealer stock ordering for allocation is 2 months in advanced - that's for it to be BUILT not delivered. We make no guarantees about delivery date, only estimates based on prior data. This is also a brand new model year, with new engines, etc.

AnthonyRI · Jan 22, 2024

Tulecreeper said:
Only if the buyer is will to put up with it. I ordered a RAM 1500 in July 2022. It was built and off the assembly line by mid-August. The 1st week in December it was still sitting in a back lot at the plant in Mexico - I cancelled that order. I'll give them 90 - 120 days to get me my vehicle, then I walk.

The following month, in Jan 2023, I ordered my 2500. I told them the same thing - 3 months and I'm cancelling the order. They delivered my truck to me in 60 days. Order what you want, don't put up with the BS, and they will comply.

The dealer has no control over your timeline of production or transport, provided that the order was placed correctly, when they said it was.
In our case, non-refundable deposits are sent AFTER you have the POC in hand, showing the build specs, VON, your name and address, and accompanied by a signed buyers order so you know WHAT you are getting, and what you are paying for. Beyond that, it's in the hands of RAM, who never promises complete Amazon-prime level of tracking lol. 12-month rolling stat for us is that 95% of sold orders get sold to their original customer - and we like to keep it that way or improve!

(I don't know if you ordered from us or not, and don't have to share if it was or not - just adding some context to our end of it)

AnthonyRI · Jan 22, 2024

Doug Ram said:
Can someone please explain to someone who's never even seen a dealer try to get more than MSRP for a vehicle in my area (upstate NY). Why pay it and how are dealers getting it? I thought manufacturers frowned on this.... is it even legal in all states?

In some parts of the country, and at some particular timeframes, it is/was rampant. If you need it NOW and you are not willing to travel and/or do your homework, people pay all sorts of overages for all sorts of things. Sometimes it's a flat ADM (additional dealer markup) sometimes it's hidden in fees, required add-ons (tint, ceramic, nitrogen tires) extra warranties, excessive markups on interest rates or lease rates, etc etc. the fact that you're even engaged on this forum puts you ahead of the curve. But even if you're paying "ONLY" msrp... that's still more than it needs to be.

DrStevil · Jan 22, 2024

I was very pleased with the process of buying and special ordering my late year ‘22 Ram 1500 from Mark Dodge.
How I ended up with Mark Dodge is a long story. Let’s just say that it was definitely worth the 600 mile round trip to pick it up.

Tulecreeper · Jan 22, 2024

AnthonyRI said:
The dealer has no control over your timeline of production or transport, provided that the order was placed correctly, when they said it was.
In our case, non-refundable deposits are sent AFTER you have the POC in hand, showing the build specs, VON, your name and address, and accompanied by a signed buyers order so you know WHAT you are getting, and what you are paying for. Beyond that, it's in the hands of RAM, who never promises complete Amazon-prime level of tracking lol. 12-month rolling stat for us is that 95% of sold orders get sold to their original customer - and we like to keep it that way or improve!

(I don't know if you ordered from us or not, and don't have to share if it was or not - just adding some context to our end of it)

No, I did not order from you. I don't even know who you are, other than seeing your name here. I realize that the dealer has no control over build-time or shipping dates, I would not hold that against them, but I refuse to wait longer than 120 days for the vehicle to be delivered to me. And I would give ~$1000 to them as earnest money, but I would never give any dealer a non-refundable deposit.

Tulecreeper · Jan 22, 2024

Double

Mike1C5 · Jan 22, 2024

AnthonyRI said:
Sort of.

Your order is not placed yet, it is saved in my files and waiting for GT to open. At this point RAM does not know that it exists, and will not until it is placed. It's not that they're putting dealer stock before sold order specifically, it's that they have not decided to open GT yet. They're putting the masses before the few, sold order or not.

ESTIMATED build times are 10-16 weeks from order to receiving based on our historical data. GENERAL dealer stock ordering for allocation is 2 months in advanced - that's for it to be BUILT not delivered. We make no guarantees about delivery date, only estimates based on prior data. This is also a brand new model year, with new engines, etc.

i guess what is odd to me is the fact that 2025 Rams begin production in February 2024 right after 2024 production ends in 2024!

My prediction for my 2025 Ram being delivered in September 2024, seems on target. I do find it odd that I would receive it likely when Ram introduces the 2026 Ram’s. If I am going to wait that long it might make more sense to just wait for the 2026 models.

I have to admit i don’t understand the way Ram introduces their 2025 models in 4th quarter 2023 but I can’t get mine until the end of 2024 when Ram will likely introduced their 2026 models. Very confusing to say the least.

Tulecreeper · Jan 22, 2024

Mike1C5 said:
i guess what is odd to me is the fact that 2025 Rams begin production in February 2024 right after 2024 production ends in 2024!

My prediction for my 2025 Ram being delivered in September 2024, seems on target. I do find it odd that I would receive it likely when Ram introduces the 2026 Ram’s. If I am going to wait that long it might make more sense to just wait for the 2026 models.

I have to admit i don’t understand the way Ram introduces their 2025 models in 4th quarter 2023 but I can’t get mine until the end of 2024 when Ram will likely introduced their 2026 models. Very confusing to say the least.

It's that way with a lot of boat manufacturers, also. They stop ordering the current year and start ordering the next model year in July. So if you order a 2024 in June, by the time it comes in, so will the first of the orders for the 2025 models. It's insane.

AnthonyRI · Jan 22, 2024

Tulecreeper said:
It's that way with a lot of boat manufacturers, also. They stop ordering the current year and start ordering the next model year in July. So if you order a 2024 in June, by the time it comes in, so will the first of the orders for the 2025 models. It's insane.

Particularly strange in this year where the 2024 model year was only open for orders from June 11th through December 13th (I think, plus or minus a day). So theoretically, a 2023 ordered in first week of June arriving in September, has his truck for 90 days and then sees that 2025s are available to order.

Should start calling them Model C, D, E, F rather than by year, at this point.

Scott0700 · Jan 22, 2024

The Demon 170 is going for $200k plus buyer’s premium at the various collector auctions. Why shouldn’t the dealer sell it for a $100k markup? He has every right to make that profit on a limited edition vehicle.

Mike1C5 · Jan 22, 2024

AnthonyRI said:
Particularly strange in this year where the 2024 model year was only open for orders from June 11th through December 13th (I think, plus or minus a day). So theoretically, a 2023 ordered in first week of June arriving in September, has his truck for 90 days and then sees that 2025s are available to order.

Should start calling them Model C, D, E, F rather than by year, at this point.

Which looks like is exactly what will happen to me when my truck comes in September and the 2026 Ram will be available to order. Not sure I really like what they are doing. Pretty soon I guess we can order a vehicle a couple of years before the actual year of the vehicle. Wonder what logic they use for this type of marketing? Would be nice if someone in charge could explain this to their customers, at least the ones they have left.

The Mac Heik family of dealerships has brought Dodge plenty of bad press for what they have been doing. Lots of YouTube videos of their antics as they cheat customers who want the Demon 170.

On another note, I walked in a Acura dealer a few years ago to check out a MDX. Looked at the sticker right by the original sticker and saw a charge of $400 for nitrogen filled tires! If you had a science/chemistry class you would know that nitrogen makes up about 78% of air.

Yes i know the benefits of nitrogen in the tires but only an uninformed person would pay $400 for four tires full of nitrogen. Plus, do you even trust that they put nitrogen in the tires. You can fill your tires with nitrogen for free at Costco by the way, you don’t even have to be a member as the fill center is outside by the shop..

goof2 · Jan 23, 2024

stevenP said:
Congrats on the order, that sounds exciting.

Side note...I would never pay more than MSRP for anything. I, first off would be offended at the dealers blaintent audacity to even offer such gross profit taking. Shame on them.

I'm no fan of dealerships generally, but if someone is willing to pay that premium the dealership would be stupid not to take it. It is simple supply and demand. Would you feel shame for taking advantage of the $17k discount the same dealership is offering buyers on many of their Laramie Rams to move them off the lot?

KalboKalbs · Jan 23, 2024

goof2 said:
I'm no fan of dealerships generally, but if someone is willing to pay that premium the dealership would be stupid not to take it. It is simple supply and demand. Would you feel shame for taking advantage of the $17k discount the same dealership is offering buyers on many of their Laramie Rams to move them off the lot?

Yup. It is all Supply AND Demand. Capitalism. Great concept!

AnthonyRI · Jan 23, 2024

Scott0700 said:
The Demon 170 is going for $200k plus buyer’s premium at the various collector auctions. Why shouldn’t the dealer sell it for a $100k markup? He has every right to make that profit on a limited edition vehicle.

They're certainly free to do so - we sold all our Demon's at MSRP (8). If a dealer is willing to be that greedy once for $100K, then they're probably sticking it to the every-day buyer as well at every possible turn. Fine by me it makes us look better lol.

Jimmy07 · Jan 23, 2024

Mike1C5 said:
i guess what is odd to me is the fact that 2025 Rams begin production in February 2024 right after 2024 production ends in 2024!

My prediction for my 2025 Ram being delivered in September 2024, seems on target. I do find it odd that I would receive it likely when Ram introduces the 2026 Ram’s. If I am going to wait that long it might make more sense to just wait for the 2026 models.

I have to admit i don’t understand the way Ram introduces their 2025 models in 4th quarter 2023 but I can’t get mine until the end of 2024 when Ram will likely introduced their 2026 models. Very confusing to say the least.

That probably won’t be how it plays out for 2026 model year. Keep in mind that MY2025 is unique because of the mid-cycle refresh, which is why it will start production earlier than normal, and have a long production run (maybe into the middle of 2025).
To put it in perspective, when the new body style 5th gen 2019 model year 1500 was revealed, production for it started mid January 2018, and ended July 2019.
Here, we have production starting for MY2025 in February 2024, and maybe going to mid year 2025 before MY2026 is opened up for ordering.

AnthonyRI · Jan 23, 2024

Jimmy07 said:
That probably won’t be how it plays out for 2026 model year. Keep in mind that MY2025 is unique because of the mid-cycle refresh, which is why it will start production earlier than normal, and have a long production run (maybe into the middle of 2025).
To put it in perspective, when the new body style 5th gen 2019 model year 1500 was revealed, production for it started mid January 2018, and ended July 2019.
Here, we have production starting for MY2025 in February 2024, and maybe going to mid year 2025 before MY2026 is opened up for ordering.

That is very helpful context!

Mike1C5 · Jan 23, 2024

06 Dodge said:
Not at all surprised from lazy workers at dishonest dealerships...

Jimmy07 said:
That probably won’t be how it plays out for 2026 model year. Keep in mind that MY2025 is unique because of the mid-cycle refresh, which is why it will start production earlier than normal, and have a long production run (maybe into the middle of 2025).
To put it in perspective, when the new body style 5th gen 2019 model year 1500 was revealed, production for it started mid January 2018, and ended July 2019.
Here, we have production starting for MY2025 in February 2024, and maybe going to mid year 2025 before MY2026 is opened up for ordering.

Hopefully that is what will happen. If so, I don’t have a problem with that. I just didn’t want to wait close to a (possible) year to get a 2025 and then have the 2026 order bank open!

DeckArtist · Jan 23, 2024

Mike1C5 said:
I have been working with Anthony who is with Mark Dodge. We have gone back in forth with emails with me always having more questions. I am sure he gets tons of emails and mine were just part of his workload. The point is he always took the time to fully answer my questions all the while he probably didn’t know if I would actually order a truck. That didn’t matter because he always was there to answer.

Today was the day that i had finally made a decision. Believe me it was not an easy decision. I was intrigued by the Tungsten. I love technology and was sold on that until i learned that the only interior option was the off white (very light) interior was the ONLY option. Had they offered it in black as well I probably would have bought one. But Ram only saw fit to offer the white interior. I could not ever buy a truck with white interior so the Tungsten was out.

I ended up ordering what I had really wanted from the beginning, a Ram Rebel. Since I love loaded trucks I wanted pretty much every option. The GT Package option turned out to not me available until March 2024. If the order is picked up after that the truck should be built/delivered in around four months. I was able to find out what the two new colors looked like by using info on the paint codes for another Dodge product. Ended up going with the Billet Silver Metallic/Diamond Black lower body color. Hope it turns out to be a good one.

On a side note, the dealer I visited had a new Demon 170 in the showroom. MSRP on the sticker was $125,000 with an additional mark up of ONLY $100,000! That should be illegal.

When you consider that the Demon 170 is a Hennessy car the reason for the upcharge is clear. Doesn't make it right, but when there are just a few of any car like this, it's gonna happen.

That's quite a car....

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The tuner will replace the car's original 6.2-liter V8 in favor of an in-house V8 with almost 600 hp more

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