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ramffml · Mar 7, 2024

Shamelessly stolen from Bitog: "Nearly Half of API Engine Oil Samples Fail to Meet Standards, Reveals Audit"

Nearly Half of API Engine Oil Samples Fail to Meet Standards, Reveals Audit

API's AMAP program exposes nearly half of tested engine oil samples fail to meet EOLCS standards, raising quality and trust concerns.

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HEMIMANN · Mar 7, 2024

What a surprise. Self regulation works great.
Same with diesel fuel and gasoline lack of quality enforcement in U.S.

Japanese don't like selling their little diesels here due to low cetane fuel and biodegradable renewable. I know that because I talked to them at work. We used Kubota, Deere uses Yanmar, Isuzu likely same.

Yanmar specs 50 cetane for their little IDI engines. Hahahaha. Not in good old ripoff USA. Even cetane boost additive won't get you there. I own a Deere with a Yammar. I plan to clean injectors soon @ 2,000 hours.

Burla · Mar 7, 2024

ramffml said:
Shamelessly stolen from Bitog: "Nearly Half of API Engine Oil Samples Fail to Meet Standards, Reveals Audit"

Nearly Half of API Engine Oil Samples Fail to Meet Standards, Reveals Audit

API's AMAP program exposes nearly half of tested engine oil samples fail to meet EOLCS standards, raising quality and trust concerns.

bnnbreaking.com

Since the API is going against protecting metal is that good or a bad thing, lol?? Since they now want thin hths and noacks is this good or bad? And of course no brands are revealed? Of course not, because absolutely nothing is true about what is going on now. If you are going to justify your existence can you please do it somewhere other then ho chi man city, lmao? API engineers giving speeches in da hochiman, whatever. Am I supposed to be on the edge of my seat? Why PQIA is the only trusted resource imo. Thanks for the entertaining post, but the API is a bad joke.

Someone for ishts and giggles send them a foya request, lmao. The fbi and cia will send 50 agents to your door. Yeah sure, public institution should have no problem is revealing what brands are failing the citizens who pay your salary?

HEMIMANN · Mar 7, 2024

API just does whatever EPA tells them.

tjfdesmo · Mar 7, 2024

HEMIMANN said:
No soot for diesels either.

So, tonight I'm working my spring machinery maintenance list and realize I need to change gear oils on the UTV. It takes a straight API GL-4 (no EP additive), I imagine for the shift lockup synchros inside the gear boxes since there's no transfer case. These aren't spiral bevel or hypoid either, just plain 'ol bevel gears.

I usually get Red Line MT-85 for such things. Holy moly it's $23.10 per QUART everywhere! wtf is going on? Other syn GL-4's look to be charging similar, AC Delco, etc.

This simple oil should cost less than an engine oil, with all the additives needed for engines.

Which UTV?

Burla · Mar 7, 2024

What does ram forum and the massive budgeting API have in common? Both have done about 1,000 test samples. But in every single sample I have seen as a group, I have not seen 46% additive or viscosity fails. Things that make you go hmmm.

PQIA the independent lab tests, in my memory i have only seen one or two red flag fails in the history of top oils tested, I think once there was a noack too high and one was something else I forget an additive. Cant remember the brands I'm guessing it was valv or RP but dont hold me to that. Any fail you see with pqia is not name brands but something you would likely see on a dollar tree shelf. Maybe that is why they have this in hochiman, because some none english place is the only people gonna believe their lies?

by the way that is why pqia was created, because they now they never fail, the manu's know if there is gonna be any red flags it will be with off off shelf oils. pqia funded by big oil and independant.

HEMIMANN · Mar 7, 2024

tjfdesmo said:
Which UTV?

Original Yamaha Rhino 660
Was 1st to market

tjfdesmo · Mar 7, 2024

HEMIMANN said:
Original Yamaha Rhino 660
Was 1st to market

The rear gearcase is a spool, and the front diff has the electro-mechanical locker, but there are no synchros for EP additives to eat up.

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We serviced a metric ton of Rhinos, Grizzlies, Kodiaks, etc. using SVG or comparable.

HEMIMANN · Mar 7, 2024

Ah. Thank you.

I don't have that detail, might be serial #10

Bought it on sight as soon as it was showed.

What do you mean by a "spool"? Unfamiliar with that term outside of hydraulic valves.

Edit: my 1 quart of Red Line MT-85 arrived today, lol.

crackerjack1957 · Mar 7, 2024

HEMIMANN said:
Ah. Thank you.

I don't have that detail, might be serial #10

Bought it on sight as soon as it was showed.

What do you mean by a "spool"? Unfamiliar with that term outside of hydraulic valves.

Edit: my 1 quart of Red Line MT-85 arrived today, lol.

Not a spool for your application but tells you how they work.

How It Works: The Pros and Cons of Spools & Mini Spools

Spools are all about getting full lockup on a budget… 100% lockup 100% of the time. There are two types of spools: full spools and mini spools. Each attains the same objective, ensuring both drive wheels on a given axle receive full torque and rotate at the same speed all the time. They create a...

www.yukongear.com

Travis8352 · Mar 7, 2024

Burla said:
What does ram forum and the massive budgeting API have in common? Both have done about 1,000 test samples. But in every single sample I have seen as a group, I have not seen 46% additive or viscosity fails. Things that make you go hmmm.

PQIA the independent lab tests, in my memory i have only seen one or two red flag fails in the history of top oils tested, I think once there was a noack too high and one was something else I forget an additive. Cant remember the brands I'm guessing it was valv or RP but dont hold me to that. Any fail you see with pqia is not name brands but something you would likely see on a dollar tree shelf. Maybe that is why they have this in hochiman, because some none english place is the only people gonna believe their lies?

by the way that is why pqia was created, because they now they never fail, the manu's know if there is gonna be any red flags it will be with off off shelf oils. pqia funded by big oil and independant.

Im guessing the brands that fail are some crappy cheapo grocery store brands that cost 3 bucks a quart or maybe some junk that gets peddled in some crappy quick lubes

Wild one · Mar 8, 2024

HEMIMANN said:
Ah. Thank you.

I don't have that detail, might be serial #10

Bought it on sight as soon as it was showed.

What do you mean by a "spool"? Unfamiliar with that term outside of hydraulic valves.

Edit: my 1 quart of Red Line MT-85 arrived today, lol.

Basically a Lincoln Locker with out any welding,great for breaking axles if you turn too sharp on pavement,been there/done that more often then i liked,lol

Burla · Mar 8, 2024

Travis8352 said:
Im guessing the brands that fail are some crappy cheapo grocery store brands that cost 3 bucks a quart or maybe some junk that gets peddled in some crappy quick lubes

hochimann blenders inc.

HEMIMANN · Mar 8, 2024

Wild one said:
Basically a Lincoln Locker with out any welding,great for breaking axles if you turn too sharp on pavement,been there/done that more often then i liked,lol

Yeah, definitely an aggressive off road only woods UTV. Which is what I wanted for hunting and woods work. You gotta take it easy if on a road, it will scrub tires before breaking the gear set.

HEMIMANN · Mar 8, 2024

crackerjack1957 said:
Not a spool for your application but tells you how they work.

How It Works: The Pros and Cons of Spools & Mini Spools

Spools are all about getting full lockup on a budget… 100% lockup 100% of the time. There are two types of spools: full spools and mini spools. Each attains the same objective, ensuring both drive wheels on a given axle receive full torque and rotate at the same speed all the time. They create a...

www.yukongear.com

I'll be damned - I learned something today, thank you.

I never heard a bevel gear set called a "spool" before. I wonder how that terminology came about? Weird.

Wild one · Mar 8, 2024

HEMIMANN said:
I'll be damned - I learned something today, thank you.

I never heard a bevel gear set called a "spool" before. I wonder how that terminology came about? Weird.

Detroit Locker: History, Anatomy & FAQs About the Toughest Differential in Town - OnAllCylinders

Back in the day, if you needed the toughest, most-capable differential on the street, you ran a Detroit Locker. When you want the same kind of differential today, the choice …

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HEMIMANN · Mar 8, 2024

Yes, Detroit Locker.
AAM called Trac-Rite, I believe. In my truck. I tease the boy about his little Super Duty differential.

Buddy · Mar 8, 2024

Not to sway off the current posts, but after alot of reading on here, and asking questions I went out last month and ordered up the new base for the truck. Ordered up a half dozen RP filters, a dozen bottles Lubegard, and got 3 5liter jugs of 5W30 PUP on sale for $41.99 each ($31.04 US).
Well walking through a local CT tonight I literally turned a corner and smack dab looking at some clearance oil on a shelf. Got all 11 1q Redline 5W30 that were sitting there, $9.93 each ($7.34 US).
They have about 14 Redline 0W40 sitting there, but I quickly googled someone asking Burla about that awhile ago and got the answer I needed, left them there.

So next oil change I will do the RL. The one after can I mix the quarts I have left with the PUP? And would I bother throwing any Lubegard in that mix seeing as there will be about 3 q of RL??

HEMIMANN · Mar 8, 2024

Adjust lubegard accordingly to % PUP in the oil pan.

Mister Luck · Mar 8, 2024

Burla said:
hochimann blenders inc.

I was just looking at DG online and they have Drive MXD SAE 5W-20 Conventional Motor Oil, 32 fl oz. for 5.75
Helps the HEMI tic because it’s made from crickets I suspect

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