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I was wondering if I went to a junkyard if I would be able to just swap out my 02 Throttle Body and Intake Manifold. After doing some research it seems like they run the same.
I was originally looking at swapping with 08 intake manifold and throttle body. But after seeing that there is an adapter needed and the '08 Throttle Body is electric I am shying away from the 700$ cost for a lesser upgrade using the '07 instead.
 

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I think 07s are 4 bolt throttle body, 02s are a 3 bolt, not 100% sure though, haven’t researched it yet. Just saw your other thread, never mind, keep on.
 
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Do you have knowledge on which engine it would need to come off of?
Can it be any 4.7l from Ram, Dodge, Jeep?
 

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They are all identical by that year
 
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Would there be any other factors besides just replacing the gaskets and hooking everything back up.
Could just port throttle body and then reattach to '07 intake manifold and should be able to go?
 

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Some sensors from the manifold MAY be in different spots and/or different than your 02. Honestly you could probably find an 08+ intake manifold used for not a whole lot of money (hemi manifolds except for the 6.1 don't cost $700) and all you would need is the adapter to use your throttle body. Found this one pretty easily on ebay with actual pics: https://www.ebay.com/itm/53032761AI...m+1500&hash=item545b0fc163:g:6joAAOSwkp1a42Fn
There were other listings but they weren't great with pics of the actual manifold. Then just $250 for the TB adapter and you're good to go.

According to Airram: http://airram.com/product.php?productid=1341
The 2008-2011 intake is worth 25-30RWHP on over the 1999-2002 Intake manifold.

The 2008-2011 intake is worth 15-20RWHP over the 2003-2007 Intake manifold.

If it were my truck, for the work you have to put in anyway, why not get the better option? But it's your choice.
 
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The link you sent me for intake manifold on ebay looks like it has the 3 bolt pattern from an '07 that would attach directly to my '02 bolt pattern? even says the truck was an '07
 
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The link you sent me for intake manifold on ebay looks like it has the 3 bolt pattern from an '07 that would attach directly to my '02 bolt pattern? even says the truck was an '07

Figures lol...sorry, wrong link and now I can't find the one I was looking at, but there are others. Do a search for a 4th gen manifold (09 to 14, I think? Don't remember when they ended the 4.7), if it's on a 4th gen truck then it's guaranteed to be the one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plenum-Int...ash=item5d7d4efb9a:g:mywAAOSwfN5a8I1K&vxp=mtr
 
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plenum-Intake-Manifold-4-7L-Fits-10-13-DODGE-1500-PICKUP-5154038/401534286746?fits=Year:2011|Make:Ram&hash=item5d7d4efb9a:g:mywAAOSwfN5a8I1K&vxp=mtr

Is this something that would fit? all I would need is the adapter plate and I already have the extention wire for the AIT sensor.
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And second question. What is the max rev limiter on a 4.7l
I have the superchips F5 performance tune on.

"The shorter the intake runners the stronger the top end HP. The HO intake manifold with it's 415mm long runners falls on it's face above 5200 RPM.

The 2008 4.7L intake manifold with it's 350mm long runners will pull strong to 5600-5800 RPM (not exactly sure of the final rev limiter.)"

Just was wondering if there should be any change to rev limit if I do the change or what the engines max rev limit is
 
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plenum-Intake-Manifold-4-7L-Fits-10-13-DODGE-1500-PICKUP-5154038/401534286746?fits=Year:2011|Make:Ram&hash=item5d7d4efb9a:g:mywAAOSwfN5a8I1K&vxp=mtr

Is this something that would fit? all I would need is the adapter plate and I already have the extention wire for the AIT sensor.
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If it is what they say it is yes, I would ask them for a pic of the manifold itself for verification

And second question. What is the max rev limiter on a 4.7l
I have the superchips F5 performance tune on.

I have no idea, you'll need to research that; should be an option in the Superchips. What you need to find out is what your shift point is, because regardless of what the rev limiter is set to, unless you're shifting manually through the gears the trans is gonna shift before you get there. Stock 03-08 5.7 WOT shift point is about 5800rpm, since that's pretty much where those power curves run out of breath.

"The shorter the intake runners the stronger the top end HP. The HO intake manifold with it's 415mm long runners falls on it's face above 5200 RPM.

That's because it was tuned for 287 cubic inch engine lugging around a 5000+lb truck lol, lower rpm torque is the name of that game.

The 2008 4.7L intake manifold with it's 350mm long runners will pull strong to 5600-5800 RPM (not exactly sure of the final rev limiter.)"

That should take you right to your stock shift point.

Just was wondering if there should be any change to rev limit if I do the change or what the engines max rev limit is

Are you going to upgrade cams? Manifold is only part of the equation, heart of the engine is cam or cams; this/these determines it's power curve. If power is going to drop off by that point anyway there's no point in spinning it any faster.

See above in bold
 
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"There isn't a redline, I would guess on the manual you could take it too high and break something. On an auto it is a 6K limiter, but not a redline. I would say anything past 6500 rpm is asking for it. No you won't hurt it taking it to the "redline", but it will wear things out quicker. Stock the 4.7 loses all power past 5000 rpm. If you have mods then 5500-6000 rpm is where you start losing power. No point in reving higher if you aren't getting gains."
found this. so what its saying is basically the 2008 with shorter runners will generate more power throughout the strongest part of my rev and if I went with runners longer it would begin to reduce my higher rpm power.
So I think you sold me on the idea of just getting the 4th gen intake with shortest runners and the adapter plate. I don't think I would ever get to the point that I am replacing cams etc as they are all new (OEM) with the rebuild.
Thank you for your help and patience as I try to understand most of it but realize once on here I know very little of the world of trucks haha.
 

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If you really want to take advantage of that manifold you need to recam it. Hands down best all around cams for the 4.7 are the OEM HO's; unfortunately they're rare as **** and cost more than platinum. You can either get customs (I believe Jay Greene said he can make them) or keep an eye out for a set, they pop up now and then.
 
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If you really want to take advantage of that manifold you need to recam it. Hands down best all around cams for the 4.7 are the OEM HO's; unfortunately they're rare as **** and cost more than platinum. You can either get customs (I believe Jay Greene said he can make them) or keep an eye out for a set, they pop up now and then.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/53032761AI...012067?hash=item545b0fc163:g:6joAAOSwkp1a42Fn
I know you said that it is important to recam it but I don't have the funds or mechanical skill to perform that.
The above says it fits 07-09 4.7l but picture shows it has a 3-bolt pattern matching the older version?
Am I not understanding or is this just an ebay error?
Thanks
 

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/53032761AI...012067?hash=item545b0fc163:g:6joAAOSwkp1a42Fn
I know you said that it is important to recam it but I don't have the funds or mechanical skill to perform that.
The above says it fits 07-09 4.7l but picture shows it has a 3-bolt pattern matching the older version?
Am I not understanding or is this just an ebay error?
Thanks

It's not a necessity, I just said to really take advantage of it you should. Yeah they have it in 3rd gen but the manifold is wrong. Best bet is to look for an ad with a 4th gen truck on it or a pic you can verify:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plenum-Int...:Dodge&hash=item5d7c5f3ea6:g:~B0AAOSwWyRax8Ep
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intake-Man...m=282906155644&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
 

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