2025 Cummins Diesel does not wait to start in cold

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Hi everyone. First time posting. I have an almost new 2500 ram diesel. few months old. Its -5F this morning. When I press the start button the engine starts cranking immediately. It does NOT wait until the glow plugs heat for awhile. (I understand Cummins switched from grid intake heating to glow plugs in 2025). The preheat symbol on the dash comes on while the starter cranks. It does start after several seconds. Doesn't seem good for the starter. Anyone else see this? It seems like a software glitch. I called the dealer and they are going to call me back. Any suggestions?
 

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Following... I have the same condition on my new 2025, starts right up no matter the temp shows the heater symbol while its doing it.. My 2014 on the other hand delays starting and shows the grid heater symbol.

I'll be interested to hear what your dealership tells you.
 
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Following... I have the same condition on my new 2025, starts right up no matter the temp shows the heater symbol while its doing it.. My 2014 on the other hand delays starting and shows the grid heater symbol.

I'll be interested to hear what your dealership tells you.
I'll keep you posted. It didn't bother me in moderate cold like 30F when it cranked immediately without preheat. It just fired right up anyway. This last week in Vermont we are down to 0F in the mornings. I do NOT like the whole engine cranking over and over with no oil pressure waiting for it to start. There is definitely a problem.
 

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I do NOT like the whole engine cranking over and over with no oil pressure waiting for it to start. There is definitely a problem.

The instant the engine starts turning, the oil pump is turning. You have oil pressure instantly, that’s how positive displacement pumps work. Also, plain bearings will always have oil in them. Your startups are never dry.

The thing that’s wrong: Cummins engineers changed things and you perceive this as bad because it ain’t how it used to be.

I’ll hazard a guess that the dealer is going to charge you a diagnostic fee, say everything is fine (which it is) and send you on your way. If you’re lucky, they’ll have a smooth talking, low voiced, senior tech placate your fears. They might even wash your truck for you.
 

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In the good old days with glow plugs, you could cycle them more than once for real cold weather, then hit the starter. Now they are integrated right into the start sequence. The theory is, starter spins motor, glow plugs start to heat, engine fires just as soon as enough heat is in the plugs. Minimizes glow plug cycle time. Glow plugs are far more work and expense to change than starters, and a starter will last a real long time, even with some long cranks.

As long as we have vehicles where everything is computer controlled, this is how the start sequence will likely work. I would be VERY surprised if this gets changed but look forward to hearing what they say.
 

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so is the glow pug system a plus or minus over the grid heater like I have on my '22. I can see that the motor would breath a little better without the grid, but what are other plusses. I ask as one who never had a dsl truck before the one I have now.
 

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If you want more preheat you can likely press the start button to the run position without stepping on the brake pedal??
Good idea. That would definitely be worth trying. Be interesting to see if it will run the glow plugs without the starter cranking.

Plugging in a 32F and colder should be a given if it is possible, on Diesels or gas. FAR easier on them than cold starts.
 
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Following... I have the same condition on my new 2025, starts right up no matter the temp shows the heater symbol while its doing it.. My 2014 on the other hand delays starting and shows the grid heater symbol.

I'll be interested to hear what your dealership tells you.
Okay on Reddit someone told me to do this. I think it works. Just press the start button for a second (without brake pedal) and preheat coil symbol comes on the dash (as well as many other lights). After a few seconds the preheat coil light goes out. At that time step on the brake and press start again. It fired right up! It's weird because I don't get an "engine pre-heat in progress" message or anything.
 
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Good idea. That would definitely be worth trying. Be interesting to see if it will run the glow plugs without the starter cranking.

Plugging in a 32F and colder should be a given if it is possible, on Diesels or gas. FAR easier on them than cold starts.
That's exactly what I wasn't doing. It works! I have to press start without the brake pedal first. Then wait till the preheat light goes away. I didn't know this trick. Stupid push button starts lol
 

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Okay on Reddit someone told me to do this. I think it works. Just press the start button for a second (without brake pedal) and preheat coil symbol comes on the dash (as well as many other lights). After a few seconds the preheat coil light goes out. At that time step on the brake and press start again. It fired right up! It's weird because I don't get an "engine pre-heat in progress" message or anything.
That message may not even exist in the software anymore, since RAM just went back to glow plugs from the friggin "Grid Heater".
Since U researched and know what U need to do, problem solved. WHAT is also displayed may depend upon what Instrument cluster you have.

ADDED: Surprised RAM not put this out somwhere, in manual or something. Even on the old Dueces, as in M35A2 trucks, we had to go to 1st ignition and wait for the plugs to heat listening to dat friggin noisy buzzer.
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OP: !!!

out of 2025 RAM HD Manual: (There are 3 instrument clusters can be in your truck, that may affect displayed messages/lights) (see RAM Manual for yer truck)

Keyless Enter ‘n Go™ Starting Procedure
— Engine Manifold Air Temperature
Below 32°F (0°C)
NOTE:
The temperature displayed in the instrument cluster
does not necessarily reflect the engine manifold
air temperature ð page 104. When engine
temperatures fall below 32°F (0°C) the Wait To Start
Indicator Light will remain on for a few seconds while
the glow plugs preheat.
Follow the steps in the “Normal Starting” procedure
except:
1. Pushing the ENGINE START/STOP button with the
driver’s foot on the brake will move the ignition
from OFF or ACC to ON/RUN, and will illuminate
the Wait To Start Indicator Light. The engine will
not immediately crank, this is normal operation.
2. The Wait To Start Indicator Light will remain on
for a period of time that varies depending on the
engine temperature.
3. While the Wait To Start Indicator Light is on, the
instrument cluster will additionally display a gauge
or bar whose initial length represents the full Wait
to Start time period. Its length will decrease until
it disappears when the Wait to Start time has
elapsed.
CAUTION!
If the Water in Fuel Indicator Light remains on,
DO NOT START the engine before you drain
(Continued)
--------------------------------------------------------------
4. After the engine Wait To Start Indicator Light goes
off, the engine will automatically crank.
CAUTION!
Do not crank the engine for more than 25
seconds at a time or starter motor damage
may result. Turn the ignition switch to the OFF
position and wait at least two minutes for the
starter to cool before repeating start procedure.
5. After engine start-up, check to see that there is oil
pressure.
6. Release the parking brake and drive.
NOTE:
● Engine idle speed will automatically increase to
1,000 RPM and engage the Variable Geometry
Turbocharger at low coolant temperatures to improve
engine warm-up.
● The engine will not automatically crank after the
engine Wait To Start Indicator Light goes off if a door
or the hood is ajar.
EXTREME COLD WEATHER
The Cummins® Turbo Diesel engine is equipped with
several features designed to assist cold weather
starting and operation:
● The engine block heater is a resistance heater
installed in the water jacket of the engine just above
and behind the oil filter. It requires a 110–115
Volt AC electrical outlet with a grounded, three-wire
extension cord.
NOTE:
The engine block heater cord is a factory installed
option. If your vehicle is not equipped, heater cords are
available from an authorized Mopar® dealer.
● A 12 Volt heater built into the fuel filter housings aid
in preventing fuel gelling. It is controlled by a built-in
thermostat.
● A glow plug system both improves engine starting
and reduces the amount of white smoke generated
by a warming engine.
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STARTING PROCEDURE — ENGINE MANIFOLD
AIR TEMPERATURE BELOW 32°F (0°C)
NOTE:
The temperature displayed in the instrument cluster
does not necessarily reflect the engine manifold
air temperature ð page 104. When engine
temperatures fall below 32°F (0°C) the Wait To Start
Indicator Light will remain on for a few second while the
glow plugs preheat.
Follow the steps in the “Normal Starting” procedure
except:
1. The Wait To Start Indicator Light will remain on
for a period of time that varies depending on the
engine temperature.
2. While the Wait To Start Indicator Light is on, the
instrument cluster will additionally display a gauge
or bar whose initial length represents the full Wait

To Start time period. Its length will decrease until
it disappears when the Wait To Start time has
elapsed.
CAUTION!
If the Water in Fuel Indicator Light remains on,
DO NOT START the engine before you drain
the water from the fuel filters to avoid engine
damage.
3. After the Wait To Start Indicator Light goes off,
place the ignition switch in the START position. Do
not press the accelerator during starting.
CAUTION!
Do not crank the engine for more than 25
seconds at a time or starter motor damage
may result. Turn the ignition switch to the OFF
position and wait at least two minutes for the
starter to cool before repeating start procedure.
4. After engine start-up, check that the Oil Pressure
Warning Light has turned off.
5. Release the parking brake and drive.
NOTE:
● Engine idle speed will automatically increase to
1,000 RPM and engage the Variable Geometry
Turbocharger at low coolant temperatures to improve
engine warm-up.
● Automatic equipped vehicles with optional Keyless
Enter ‘n Go™ – If the start button is pushed once
while in PARK with the ignition off and driver’s foot
on the brake pedal, the vehicle will automatically
crank and start after the Wait to Start time has
elapsed. If it is desired to abort the start process
before it completes, the driver’s foot should be fully
removed from the brake pedal prior to pushing the
start button again in order for the ignition to move
directly to off.
 
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Like Cheech says, Manual, I dont need no stinkin manual.

Jeez, what a concept. Read the flippin manual. Sad part is, apparently the Dealer hasn't bothered to do that either.
 
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Greetings, @2025cummins and @VACHZHD!

If either of you are seeking assistance in combination with your dealers then please let us know and send an individual private message our way. Our team is always here to listen!

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I'll keep you posted. It didn't bother me in moderate cold like 30F when it cranked immediately without preheat. It just fired right up anyway. This last week in Vermont we are down to 0F in the mornings. I do NOT like the whole engine cranking over and over with no oil pressure waiting for it to start. There is definitely a problem.
You Do Realize….than many folks will deliberately “crank” with the starter …explicity NOT wanting it to start… to build oil pressure Before the start…don’t you?
(I don’t agree with that practice….using the starter to build oil press …THen allowing it to start and run. Personally, I think that’s counter-productive…. but it’s a popular concept to many owners.)

My point: If you subscribe to that theory….. (Cranking with starter to build O.P. before allowing a stored engine to make initial start-up)….. then there’s no difference in your situation.
 

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If your truck has a block heater, and you have 120 volts available, and it's cold, plug it in. Just a couple of hours will bring the block temperature up 70 degrees F. Not only is starting improved, but because clearances are better, pollution is less. So DPF is not getting clogged up. This will add lots of life to an expensive filter.
 

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