All comes down to this.

[Jason Boulware]

Tractions going to big your biggest issue,lol.Have you done anything to the rear suspension,to move the instant center out front farther.

If he gets the truck set up with the right shocks, coils etc. to transfer the right down force to the rear he can be ridding wheelies although not with 600 hp but I’ll post some links where we have some in my neck of the woods that are flying and I’m talking about well below 10’s

 

[Jason Boulware]

If he gets the truck set up with the right shocks, coils etc. to transfer the right down force to the rear he can be ridding wheelies although not with 600 hp but I’ll post some links to some videos I’ve taken when I figure out how to do it. where we have some in my neck of the woods that are flying and I’m talking about well below 10’s

 

[Jason Boulware]

Only truck below the 10's is Matt Fikacs truck,and he's just into the high 9's with over 1100 horses to the tires.You're moving a 5,000lb brick ********* through the air,takes some serious power to put that brick ********* into the 9's,i don't think 600 rwhp is going to be enough to get into the 9's.If the truck hooks and the DA is good i could see him hitting a high 10 though

I’ll post some links to some videos I’ve taken when I figure out how to do it. where we have some in my neck of the woods that are flying and I’m talking about well below 10’s

 

[Jason Boulware]

I would hope that he dip’s well below 10’s

Surely to god y’all are shooting to run bellow 10’s on a prepped track I know

 

[Josh22855]

You might want to look into a set of Inez's relocation brackets.They help bring the rear suspension back into spec,and move the instant center back under the truck,instead of having it pointing into the ground just in front of the rear tires.They'll help plant the rear tires better on launch.Go right for the cut versions of Inez's brackets if you do,don't even mess around with the no cut versions. I'm running the earlier Illicit brackets on my truck,and the truck will cut high 1.50 60fts pretty easily,plus it'll hook on a skating rink,lol.You can see them in these photo's.

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Do you know if I could still use the core 4x4 ladder bars with these relocation brackets? Thanks for sharing this

 

[Wild one]

If he gets the truck set up with the right shocks, coils etc. to transfer the right down force to the rear he can be ridding wheelies although not with 600 hp but I’ll post some links where we have some in my neck of the woods that are flying and I’m talking about well below 10’s

Takes more then shocks and springs to make a lowered Ram hook.You need to bring the instant center back up under the truck instead of pointing into the ground right in front of the tires. I'm curious on what Ram trucks you have in your area that are running in the 9's,as they sure are quiet,they aren't on any of the facebook pages or Ram drag slip pages. As far as i know only Matt Fikac has hit the high 9's with a Ram truck,Shane Roop was close with his 1,000hp turbo Ram before he blew up the last motor,his new build should put him into the 9's though. There's a few of the light weight Whipple boosted Coyote Fords in the 9's but they're also alot lighter then a Ram,and there's a few turbo LS GM's in the 9's,but in the 1500 series of Ram trucks there's only one that i know of and it's Fikac's 1100 rwhp Ram.I'm curious to see these video's of Ram trucks in the 9's that you claim to have that's for sure.There's a few Diesal Rams in the 9's and a couple in the 8's,but the gas powered Rams in the 9's are very few and far between

 

[Wild one]

Do you know if I could still use the core 4x4 ladder bars with these relocation brackets? Thanks for sharing this

Supposedly they work in conjunction with the Inez brackets,but i've never actually tried them myself.I ran Cutter-ups heavy duty double adjustable locating arms with my Illicit brackets with no issues,then i went on a light weight kick and sold the heavy duty Cutter-up arms and put the stock locating arms back on. When i initially lowered my truck,i had killer wheel hop,but the Illicit brackets totally cured that issue,so i didn't need the heavy duty aftermarket relocating arms. My truck never did have the high speed sway issues that alot of the shortbox regular cabs have after lowering,but i had wheelhop issues bad enough i was scared i was going to break an axle. I did spend a bunch of time making sure the relocation brackets were lined up as close to perfect as i could get them,then i ran a couple tack welds so they couldn't shift around on the bolts,and to also minimize bolt maintence .I check the bolts every spring,but with the brackets tacked in place,i've never had a bolt back off yet,and that's 5 years of dragstrip abuse and 40,000 miles of street driving

 

[Ashkon]

Not sure if the crew cabs are different from single cabs but I have the Inez cut brackets on my truck with the core arms and they worked fine. Only part that spencer had to adjust for my kit was the stabilizer links.

 

[Josh22855]

You might want to look into a set of Inez's relocation brackets.They help bring the rear suspension back into spec,and move the instant center back under the truck,instead of having it pointing into the ground just in front of the rear tires.They'll help plant the rear tires better on launch.Go right for the cut versions of Inez's brackets if you do,don't even mess around with the no cut versions. I'm running the earlier Illicit brackets on my truck,and the truck will cut high 1.50 60fts pretty easily,plus it'll hook on a skating rink,lol.You can see them in these photo's.

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Why the cut version vs the no cut version on
Inez's relocation brackets?

 

[Wild one]

Why the cut version vs the no cut version on
Inez's relocation brackets?

They don't move the arms down far enough to make a big differance in where the instant center ends up under the truck. Plus alot of guys claim to have issues with the no cut versions,and end up eventually switching to the cut versions.Ideally you want the imaginary instant center lines to intersect at least as far forward as the transmission or slightly farther. The instant center lines are imaginary lines drawn down the length of the locating arms,and where those lines intersect is called the instant center,and that's roughly about the point the leverage off the locating arms tries to pick the truck up. The farther ahead those lines intersect the more leverage and weight is applied to the rear tires,forcing the rear tires into the pavement harder. Actually it's not good for a truck to squat on launch,when a suspension squats it's actually pulling the rear tires off the ground,ideally you want the chassis and tires to seperate ,as then the truck is pushing the tires into the ground.Physics comes into play,and the easiest way i know how to describe it,is if you try to pick up say 50 lbs by your arms,you also add 50lbs to the weight on your feet,now take that weight and put it on a rope and pulley set-up over your head,then try to lift that weight off the ground by pulling down on the rope,the weight on your feet decreases.That's the same basic laymens principle behind why you don't want your truck to squat hard on launch,as basic physics law states for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction,which means if the rear bumper is going down,the rear tires are also lifting up.You also want the lower locating arm as close to parrellel with the frame rail as you can get it,as it's the lower bar that does the majority of pushing on the frame,and ideally you want the bar and frame in line when the pinion angle rotates up on launch.Not only that if the trucks squatting it's wasting energy/horsepower by collasping the rear springs.Alot of guys don't realize when a truck squats,it's wasting horsepower trying to collasp the rear springs,that's wasted power that could be applied to the frame rails instead,which will put more horsepower towards actually pushing the frame rails straight ahead,instead of down towards the ground If you try to push on something with say a broom handle,it's always easier to push that object if the broom handle is directly in line with the object you're trying to push,then it is if the object is offset and on an angle from the broom stick.Not sure if that makes any sense,but it's the easiest way i know to sorta give you a laymens idea of how a rear 4 link suspension works

 

[Jason Boulware]

Takes more then shocks and springs to make a lowered Ram hook.You need to bring the instant center back up under the truck instead of pointing into the ground right in front of the tires. I'm curious on what Ram trucks you have in your area that are running in the 9's,as they sure are quiet,they aren't on any of the facebook pages or Ram drag slip pages. As far as i know only Matt Fikac has hit the high 9's with a Ram truck,Shane Roop was close with his 1,000hp turbo Ram before he blew up the last motor,his new build should put him into the 9's though. There's a few of the light weight Whipple boosted Coyote Fords in the 9's but they're also alot lighter then a Ram,and there's a few turbo LS GM's in the 9's,but in the 1500 series of Ram trucks there's only one that i know of and it's Fikac's 1100 rwhp Ram.I'm curious to see these video's of Ram trucks in the 9's that you claim to have that's for sure.There's a few Diesal Rams in the 9's and a couple in the 8's,but the gas powered Rams in the 9's are very few and far between

After reading your post again today with a clear head hence I thought about my comment and realized that I should have either not commented or at minimum I should have been clear with my comment, the trucks I’m mentioning are not apples to apples with the ones you are mentioning as the trucks I’m talking about are not daily drivers and aren’t 4000lb. Although I would have thought that with the hemi engine and the HP that can be achieved they would be running below 10’s please take no offense from my comments last night.

 

[Wild one]

After reading your post again today with a clear head hence I thought about my comment and realized that I should have either not commented or at minimum I should have been clear with my comment, the trucks I’m mentioning are not apples to apples with the ones you are mentioning as the trucks I’m talking about are not daily drivers and aren’t 4000lb. Although I would have thought that with the hemi engine and the HP that can be achieved they would be running below 10’s please take no offense from my comments last night.

Your good,no worries,lol

 

[Moparfanatic21]

When I went to our local drag strip I raced a Ram 1500 that almost ran a 8 (I believe he was at 9.21 with only 925 RWHP. He beat my 69 Charger at the time

 

[Wild one]

When I went to our local drag strip I raced a Ram 1500 that almost ran a 8 (I believe he was at 9.21 with only 925 RWHP. He beat my 69 Charger at the time

What strip? Was the truck silver or blue? If it was a blue 3rd Gen,that'd be Dan Mason's LS swapped full tilt lightweight drag truck,if it was in Texas and the truck was a silver 4th Gen,it was probaly Matt's truck

 

[VelocityC6Z]

A good dyno operator can make the numbers look good on paper,the important thing is what's it run at the track. I've beaten 600 rwhp cars that weigh at least 700lbs less then my truck,and my truck only puts down 500 rwhp.After the dyno session,make a point of taking it to the track to see if the track numbers back up the dyno numbers.No 2 dyno's will ever read the same,even the same dyno and operator can have differant results on 2 dyno sessions a day apart.Dyno's in other words aren't very accurate,and are only another tuning tool to have in your bag of tuning tools

This is a great point. STD and SAE with smoothing and all the randomness from tire weight to power loss from the transmission and so on and so on can affect numbers.

The reason for SAE and STD are to correct for atmospherics. NASCAR uses STD I believe, but tuners will argue all day between sae, std, or using a mustang dyno. IF the same tuner on the same machine on the same day with the same correction factors tuned a rear wheel truck and a front wheel Honda, even if you calculate power to weight there's more to determine track times... tires, track prep, transmission, gear ratio, atmosphere, and more.

600 rear wheel truck could be a 750 truck at the crank. A 600 rear wheel truck at 5,000 pounds could be the same on the track as a 200 hp front wheel Honda at 2,000 pounds if the the car was set up for the track...


And finally, the driver mod is probably the most important factor on a track... lol

But this is just my two cents, coming from spending about 30 grand in motor work alone on an ls7 in my vette. I've had some hard lessons learned when I started out on everything I just posted above.

 

[sam darakjy]

So how do you think your truck would match up with the TRX? That's going to be interesting when the first one pulls up next to you.

 

[Josh22855]

So how do you think your truck would match up with the TRX? That's going to be interesting when the first one pulls up next to you.

I just hope the driver of the TRX enjoys the smell of my exhaust fumes.

 

[mtwofeathers]

Only truck below the 10's is Matt Fikacs truck,and he's just into the high 9's with over 1100 horses to the tires.You're moving a 5,000lb brick ********* through the air,takes some serious power to put that brick ********* into the 9's,i don't think 600 rwhp is going to be enough to get into the 9's.If the truck hooks and the DA is good i could see him hitting a high 10 though

Watch it and weep. 9. 406 second 1/4mile with a 6 cylinder

 

[mtwofeathers]

Or even faster. 6 second mile.

 

[Wild one]

Watch it and weep. 9. 406 second 1/4mile with a 6 cylinder

What are we supposedly watching?? Sounds like you're talking about a Ford if it's a 6 though. Those little V6 Ecoboosts do work. But in this case we're referring to a 4th Gen Ram,not the other makes of trucks