Am I crazy for considering this?

[Dean2]

I understand where you are coming from. But I believe the disconnect is that they are not equivalent vehicles in this conversation. They are comparing radically different price point trucks. In this case the "new" truck is a fairly base model $50k-ish version and the used one started out as a $70k-$80k ish truck. The reason the used truck maybe worth more is simply because it cost $30k more to begin with.

I understand where you are coming from but it is not born out by the price of used vehicles. Laramie LTD versus bighorn, all 5 years old, all with about 35,000 miles. They may have started out 30,000 apart new, resale, the gap narrows a lot.

A brand new Diesel Bighorn is 80 to 85,000 Canadian, New Laramie can be had for 90-95,000 so up here, new they are only 10-15,000 apart in price. The Laramie works out to $68,000 U.S. given current exchange rates.

https://www.autotrader.ca/cars/ram/2500/2019/?rcp=15&rcs=0&srt=35&oRng=20000%2C70000&prx=-1&loc=t8t0b3&fuel=Diesel&hprc=True&wcp=True&sts=New-Used&inMarket=advancedSearch

 

[Panduh]

Hi All.
Reaching out to the forum for a sanity check.
I own a 2018 1500 Express with bunch of upgrades over the years with 62k miles and love my truck. We have recently bought a 28ft camper that weighs in at 6800 pounds loaded. The truck can handle the rig and I am within limits of my 1500, but I started looking at the 2500 market because I like to be way above limits. The new car market is way out of my league right now so I have been looking for used.
I found this 2016 2500 Laramie longhorn diesel with 125k miles one owner clean title. The dealership wants 37k for the truck. I know I can negotiate close to 20k in trade for my truck.

Am I crazy to consider this deal since I am trading a 2018 for a 2016 and walking out with a payment on it?

2500 Cummins owners and anyone else, your input would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

Is your 1500 a hemi? My 2016 Express hemi pulls my 6500 lb. TT (fully loaded) with ease, no sway, lots of power. I'd stick w what you have.

 

[Surge One]

Hi All.
Reaching out to the forum for a sanity check.
I own a 2018 1500 Express with bunch of upgrades over the years with 62k miles and love my truck. We have recently bought a 28ft camper that weighs in at 6800 pounds loaded. The truck can handle the rig and I am within limits of my 1500, but I started looking at the 2500 market because I like to be way above limits. The new car market is way out of my league right now so I have been looking for used.
I found this 2016 2500 Laramie longhorn diesel with 125k miles one owner clean title. The dealership wants 37k for the truck. I know I can negotiate close to 20k in trade for my truck.

Am I crazy to consider this deal since I am trading a 2018 for a 2016 and walking out with a payment on it?

2500 Cummins owners and anyone else, your input would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

 

[nlambert182]

Is your 1500 a hemi? My 2016 Express hemi pulls my 6500 lb. TT (fully loaded) with ease, no sway, lots of power. I'd stick w what you have.

There may be a reasonable difference in available payload between an Express and a Laramie. The OP is looking for more buffer.

 

[Dusty]

Even when considering a used vehicle when it's less expensive, there is the risk of purchasing a vehicle without a factory warranty. In the years I've been on the planet, many people I can recount found the price savings of a used vehicle as punishment for nickel-and-dime or sometimes serious and expensive repairs.

Some discovered that the vehicle was traded because of a problem that others could not resolve. I know the response is likely to be this can happen to a brand new vehicle, and if so I'd rather be trading off a a two-year old vehicle with an unresolved issue than buying one with an unresolved issue.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 123497 miles.

 

[RemyDog2014]

Been trying to find where I can ask this question. I am brand new to this platform, just found it yesterday when I was researching what a 3.21 rear axle ratio is. I have been looking at used Ram Trucks online for about a year to see what inventory is turning over and reading hundreds of reviews about the 1500. I want to be able to pull about a 25'ft. travel trailer or less, dry weight is about 4000lbs. First question is, do I have to buy a V8 5.7L in order to do so or can I get by with a V6 even 4X4? Second question, are all 2018 thru 2023 V8 5.7L Hemi's? Seeing a lot of dealer ads about the V8 5.7L engine but no mention of a Hemi and many of those that do mention the Hemi...I am not seeing the HEMI emblem on the hoods. Yeah, I'm a female so much of it is greek to me. Would greatly appreciate any insight. Many thanks..

 

[Gary Fields]

Make sure to figure the extra costs of maintenance and repairs of the diesel compared to the 1500. Over the years you'll spend much more on maintenance. Virtually everything costs more from brake pads to batteries to fuel filters to tires to oil changes to insurance to blinker fluid. Just hope you figured these costs into your plan.

 

[Rodney Belair]

Hi All.
Reaching out to the forum for a sanity check.
I own a 2018 1500 Express with bunch of upgrades over the years with 62k miles and love my truck. We have recently bought a 28ft camper that weighs in at 6800 pounds loaded. The truck can handle the rig and I am within limits of my 1500, but I started looking at the 2500 market because I like to be way above limits. The new car market is way out of my league right now so I have been looking for used.
I found this 2016 2500 Laramie longhorn diesel with 125k miles one owner clean title. The dealership wants 37k for the truck. I know I can negotiate close to 20k in trade for my truck.

Am I crazy to consider this deal since I am trading a 2018 for a 2016 and walking out with a payment on it?

2500 Cummins owners and anyone else, your input would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

I have a 17 Hemi 5.7 with 3.23 gears. I pulled a 30-footer from Texas to western NY and back, gas mileage SUCKED and I didn't make record time, but it did pull it. If you have better gearing you should be good.

 

[imamess]

I was an engineer on a fishing boat up in Alaska for 13 years. Got to play with Detroit, Cummings, And JD. They all pretty much run forever, but when they break it's bad,,,,,laying in an oily, salty bilge replacing piston packs by flashlight bad. And it's not cheap, at all. What makes it worse, these motors don't like running without load. You start to get carbon buildup in your exhaust and turbo. Something else you need to consider is 2500 parts are a lot more expensive. And it's not just motor, everything down to the brake pads cost more.

If you within the limits if your current truck I'd keep it. If you need a bit more punch you can always regear it and maybe put the 2500 springs in the back. Or maybe just put the whole 2500 rear end in it.

 

[suicideking]

I would eliminate the 2500 because it has 125K miles. Maybe if it had similar miles to your 1500 or less. I would only consider buying a truck with that many miles if it was some sort of hardship case and you didn't have a vehicle right now. You have a 1500 with about half as many miles, and are able to tow your load. So I'd stick with what you have.

 

[62Blazer]

I understand where you are coming from but it is not born out by the price of used vehicles. Laramie LTD versus bighorn, all 5 years old, all with about 35,000 miles. They may have started out 30,000 apart new, resale, the gap narrows a lot.

A brand new Diesel Bighorn is 80 to 85,000 Canadian, New Laramie can be had for 90-95,000 so up here, new they are only 10-15,000 apart in price. The Laramie works out to $68,000 U.S. given current exchange rates.

https://www.autotrader.ca/cars/ram/2500/2019/?rcp=15&rcs=0&srt=35&oRng=20000%2C70000&prx=-1&loc=t8t0b3&fuel=Diesel&hprc=True&wcp=True&sts=New-Used&inMarket=advancedSearch

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I undestand, and not trying to argue. Just for giggles I looked up the KBB value of two different trucks:

2022 Tradesman 6.4L Hemi crewcab w/ 30k miles. Private party value of $34k-$38k
2016 Laramie Longhorn Cummins megacab w/ 120k miles. Private party value of $35k-$40k

Take KBB for what it is worth, but states the 6 year older truck with 4 times as many miles is actually worth slightly more. I'm not saying which one is a better value by any means.....sure, the 2016 has a lot of bling on it but I would have to think really hard about spending more money on a lot older truck.

I think a lot of the price difference has to do with the engine. Think maybe all of the ones you listed have the Cummins which tends to equalize the pricing a lot. Meaning other trim options don't have as much affect on the price as it having a Cummins. I've never been a diesel fan boy, but there are a lot of those out there and it really drives up the perceived value of a Cummins truck. In the above example for the 2016, if you look at the exact same truck but with a 6.4 Hemi versus the Cummins and it drops the value to $28k-$34k.

 

[nlambert182]

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[nlambert182]

Make sure to figure the extra costs of maintenance and repairs of the diesel compared to the 1500. Over the years you'll spend much more on maintenance. Virtually everything costs more from brake pads to batteries to fuel filters to tires to oil changes to insurance to blinker fluid. Just hope you figured these costs into your plan.

Not true..... unless you have an emissions failure, the cost of maintenance between the diesel and a gasser is extremely similar.

Oil changes may cost more, but are half as often. (My oil changes are $4 more than my wife's Nissan Armada)
You have fuel filters, but no spark plugs or coils to contend with.
Only difference in battery cost is that you have 2, instead of 1.
Brake pads cost the same.
Tires cost the same.
Insurance on my 2500 costs less than my wife's Nissan Armada and almost exactly what the cost on my previous 2018 1500 cost.

This is how misinformation gets spread on diesel trucks.

 

[nlambert182]

I would eliminate the 2500 because it has 125K miles. Maybe if it had similar miles to your 1500 or less. I would only consider buying a truck with that many miles if it was some sort of hardship case and you didn't have a vehicle right now. You have a 1500 with about half as many miles, and are able to tow your load. So I'd stick with what you have.

Why? You do understand that the B50 life on a 6.7 Cummins is 350k miles, right? 125k is just breaking in, as long as it was well taken care of.

 

[oe542bob]

Haven’t seen anyone address the price of gas vs. diesel, but here in PA, diesel cost is usually the same or close to premium gasoline. The hemi can run regular gas, with mid grade recommended. Maintenance costs are usually quoted around $400.00 at a Ram dealer. When I had my 2018 CTD, I did them myself. Takes 12 qts. 15W40, oil filter and 2 fuel filters. Cost was +/- $150.00 I also had purchased a few tools for the process.

 

[suicideking]

Why? You do understand that the B50 life on a 6.7 Cummins is 350k miles, right? 125k is just breaking in, as long as it was well taken care of.

As long as it was well taken care of...

Get it checked out and make sure. I got an F150 a few years ago with 60K miles, engine needed replacement at 65K. I'm a bit sour towards used. If I get a used vehicle again, I will have it checked out by an independent shop. Would've saved me about $7500 (new engine price).

Haven’t seen anyone address the price of gas vs. diesel, but here in PA, diesel cost is usually the same or close to premium gasoline. The hemi can run regular gas, with mid grade recommended. Maintenance costs are usually quoted around $400.00 at a Ram dealer. When I had my 2018 CTD, I did them myself. Takes 12 qts. 15W40, oil filter and 2 fuel filters. Cost was +/- $150.00 I also had purchased a few tools for the process.

I was thinking of getting diesel when I got mine. Diesel is better for people that are going to put a lot of miles on. I have a short commute, so not a good idea for me. Also have to look at where you're going to get fuel. For me, any place with decent prices would be out of my way. Though if there is a good place on your commute, you can get a gas card and might be able to save some money.

 

[Moparfanatic21]

Just my $0.02 I wouldn't do it. I would lose AA or CarPlay and I use them way to much.

 

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

Look at a new 2500 6.4 in that case, or just stick with your current truck and continue to enjoy it as it's you that have upgraded it and know its history

I would look into a 6.4 /Hemi, before they don't make them anymore not as much upkeep as the 6.7 Cummins.

 

[jagman_xjs]

NO WAY I would trade my 5.7 for a diesel. PLUS you have upgraded it to what you wanted. If you need a little more hauling capacity get air bags to help out. If you need more power supercharge it. I only boosted it 7 psi so it will NOT hurt the engine. But I did gain 125hp. (dynoed to the rear wheels) I have done this to both of my two trucks and there is NO WAY I would ever consider just trading them off. Because I would be trading down instead of up and I would then have to spend more money making said RAM my own as well as to my liking. Hope this helps you.

 

[Kul1g]

To be honest I would to be looking for salvage truck. There are some pages online with pretty cheap new trucks with small damage. U could find nice truck there

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