Clock Spring (Clockscrew) issues

[inenemyterritory]

Anyone have to replace their Clock Spring sometimes called a Clock Screw (Dealer called it that) on your Ram? I have always had GM trucks and still have them as my daily drivers. My mechanical knowledge comes from my grandpa who was a racer/mechanic at Portland Speedway so I was taught Powertrain rebuilds. Now I dabble with garage toys of my own. My Ram is what i use as my hauler. 17' 3500 HO Longhorn Deleted. Is this clockscrew even something I want to mess with? I am at that age (48) where if its not a bad repair I'll do it but if I have to torque my back inside the truck no thanks. I've turned into a baby. If I need to lay on a floor or topside creeper I'm good just give me a Cold Rainier. I hate taking it to a shop first because then I feel obligated to have them fix it. I suck at telling people NO! Never worked on a Clockscrew in my life and have never dug into this Ram or any Ram outside of the Deletes. GM makes good daily drivers and my HO sucks to daily drive. You throw 18k behind it and it's a Caddy. I think I let it sit too much to be honest. Short Question, take it to the mechanic or it's an easy job (as in not a back killer) fix it yourself. I can take the seat out too if that saves my back. I'm a GRATEFUL combat vet (Retired 2016) that is missing my pinky and middle finger on one hand and my index finger on the other (my two hands make one good one LOL!) followed up with 2 back fusions L3/L4-L4/L5. I struggle with real small fasteners in tight areas and my back feels good but not good enough to spend hours torqued under a steering wheel. At the same time I love fixing sht and problem solving it helps my mind stay distracted.

 

[Pushrod8Speed]

It isn't that hard. Easy if you have the right tool to remove steering wheel. I recommend just removing battery and connecting positive and negative cables for about 15 minutes before doing anything. I'm almost 60 and recently changed mine. If you know noone else has messed with it, make sure steering wheel and wheels are straight as can be. Before you remove the steering angle sensor (attached to backside of clockspring) mark the tooth that engages clockspring gear.
Having something like AlfaOBD is helpful because before installing the sensor, (AND THE AIRBAG) you can put battery back on, verify angle in AlfaOBD (or correct it by turning of not also broken), remove battery, then remove battery again to commence reinstall.

 

[Pushrod8Speed]

I said all of this because I have to go back and try to reset my angle sensor now. If it's good, reading almost 5,000 degrees and just had it aligned.

 

[inenemyterritory]

You lost me Hoss. Speak slow and use crayons for me.

 

[inenemyterritory]

Sorry your second message came first and your first message came second on my side my bad.

 

[inenemyterritory]

So no small fasteners needing a woman's hand and not that bad on the back? Thank you for tips and tricks I will be sure to apply them! I'm the original owner 43k miles.

 

[Rlaf75]

So why exactly do you need to replace tbe clock spring?

As mentioned above, before you do anything, make sure you dis connect the truck battery and leave it disconnected until you're done wjth the job. Last thing g you want is the airbag going off while messing with it.

If I remember correctly, there are 4 clips holding the airbag module onto the steering wheel. You have to reach around and blindly stick a pick or flat head screwdriver into the tiny holes inside the backside of the steering wheel to pop the airbag clips. Once unclipped disconnect the 2 tiny connectors and set the airbags safely aside. Remove the steering wheel nut and remove the wheel. Take both the top and bottom steering column covers off (tiny torx bits) and you should have full access to the entire clock spring, multifunction switch or whatever they want to call it.

Do yourself a favor, make sure the steering wheel is straight as possible before you do the job and do not remove the red clip on the new clock spring until you absolutely have to, other wise you risk ruining the clock spring if it turns. Once done hook up a capable scan tool to reset the steering angle sensor

 

[SitKneelBend]

So no small fasteners needing a woman's hand and not that bad on the back? Thank you for tips and tricks I will be sure to apply them! I'm the original owner 43k miles.

Airbag removal is a tad tricky but not hard. There's a tool that makes it easier but its not necessary. This will help...

4th Gen Dodge Ram 1500 Steering Wheel Air Bag Clockspring Removal / Replacement How To

In this episode, we replace the clockspring on the 4th Gen Dodge Ram Pickup Truck. This truck is a 2017 1500 Sport with heated steering wheel. The procedur...

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[Pushrod8Speed]

Gonna leave this video, just so you have some other things to consider looking for (recall/connector issues) while in there. Will post a video on the clockspring itself also in a few. (Edit): Never mind someone else did

2013 Dodge Ram - No Horn/Steering Wheel Switch Functions - LIN Bus Fault [U1009-00]

2013 Dodge Ram NO Horn operation, steering wheel switches do not work, though sometimes the cruise control does. We have some LIN bus codes in memory. Join u...

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[RamDiver]

Anyone have to replace their Clock Spring sometimes called a Clock Screw (Dealer called it that) on your Ram? I have always had GM trucks and still have them as my daily drivers. My mechanical knowledge comes from my grandpa who was a racer/mechanic at Portland Speedway so I was taught Powertrain rebuilds. Now I dabble with garage toys of my own. My Ram is what i use as my hauler. 17' 3500 HO Longhorn Deleted. Is this clockscrew even something I want to mess with? I am at that age (48) where if its not a bad repair I'll do it but if I have to torque my back inside the truck no thanks. I've turned into a baby. If I need to lay on a floor or topside creeper I'm good just give me a Cold Rainier. I hate taking it to a shop first because then I feel obligated to have them fix it. I suck at telling people NO! Never worked on a Clockscrew in my life and have never dug into this Ram or any Ram outside of the Deletes. GM makes good daily drivers and my HO sucks to daily drive. You throw 18k behind it and it's a Caddy. I think I let it sit too much to be honest. Short Question, take it to the mechanic or it's an easy job (as in not a back killer) fix it yourself. I can take the seat out too if that saves my back. I'm a GRATEFUL combat vet (Retired 2016) that is missing my pinky and middle finger on one hand and my index finger on the other (my two hands make one good one LOL!) followed up with 2 back fusions L3/L4-L4/L5. I struggle with real small fasteners in tight areas and my back feels good but not good enough to spend hours torqued under a steering wheel. At the same time I love fixing sht and problem solving it helps my mind stay distracted.

If you use the search utility in the upper-right corner, you will find several threads discussing clockspring replacement.

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[inenemyterritory]

Thank you all. This is literally the first forum I have ever signed up in. So please bare with me as I will do my best to be a quick study.

So I took it in for its second Transmission Service and when I picked it up from the dealer I didn't have any Steering Wheel controls. I cannot turn up the radio or access any of my menu options. The horn doesn't work either. Honestly I've never had such a thing happen so I called the dealer. They looked at it and said the Clock Spring. I don't think they are lying but it could just have been a guess on their part. That is why I ran with it. You guys have all be extremely helpful.

Lastly while I appreciate the thanks for my service please know that I should thank you all for the support and love we received from our country! You all provided us with the Finest of Training and the Finest of equipment. I went in for Motor Transport and qualified for MOS 3521 (maintenance) so I shouldn't be totally lost.

Oh how things have changed gents. Some folks in the country have gone nuts.

15th MEU CWO3 1st Combat Engineer Battalion (1996-2016)
Musa Qal'eh 10', 11', 13'

 

[SitKneelBend]

Thank you all. This is literally the first forum I have ever signed up in. So please bare with me as I will do my best to be a quick study.

So I took it in for its second Transmission Service and when I picked it up from the dealer I didn't have any Steering Wheel controls. I cannot turn up the radio or access any of my menu options. The horn doesn't work either. Honestly I've never had such a thing happen so I called the dealer. They looked at it and said the Clock Spring. I don't think they are lying but it could just have been a guess on their part. That is why I ran with it. You guys have all be extremely helpful.

Lastly while I appreciate the thanks for my service please know that I should thank you all for the support and love we received from our country! You all provided us with the Finest of Training and the Finest of equipment. I went in for Motor Transport and qualified for MOS 3521 (maintenance) so I shouldn't be totally lost.

Oh how things have changed gents. Some folks in the country have gone nuts.

15th MEU CWO3 1st Combat Engineer Battalion (1996-2016)
Musa Qal'eh 10', 11', 13'

YUT!

 

[Pushrod8Speed]

So, you just joined. I'm a short timer also. Sounds like a dealer sabotage job!
Do you have AlfaOBD or any type of scanner/code reader? Highly recommend AlfaOBD if you don't have a good scanner.
You didn't mention anything airbag warning, have you checked all the fuses?

 

[Pushrod8Speed]

A little fyi, if clockspring is broken. If you have heated steering wheel, make sure you get the clockspring with that function. I used clockspringexperts, happy so far but steering wheel angle sensor didn't come with it. I'm probably doing this again tomorrow if weather cooperates.

 

[Pushrod8Speed]

You'll need something to pull the steering wheel with. I tried to borrow a tool from AutoZone, they didn't have either option to loan. I bought one, but needed some extra washers/nuts (I least think I did). Here's what I used (don't remember part number).

 

[Mpgrimm2]

FYI....
2013-18 /classic 4th Gen...

CLOCKSPRING. Steering Column Control Module (req’d for heated wheel)

Part Number: 68528301AA, AB, AC, AD; etc; (at AllMoparParts.com)
Supersession(s): 68110740AE & 56046864AC, AB, AD; etc;

And 4th Gen steering wheel/Airbag removal video
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PS: I don't recommend a Chinese knockoff clockspring... A lot of those knockoffs modules, etc have very high failure rates. A bad one will also affect your abs system.

 

[BluDodge]

Oh how things have changed gents. Some folks in the country have gone nuts.

Very true! Did you contact the dealer about this? It would seem if everything was good when you dropped it off, and non-functional when you got it back, they should (at a minimum) take a complimentary look and see if they messed something up. It could be coincidence, but it seems pretty suspicious to me. If they try to charge you for it, you need to look at getting a new dealer for any work you need them to do.

 

[SouthernBornRebel]

Yep, nothing to it, I bought mine for $45.00 NEW off eBay from a seller...Heated Steering wheel, mine came with Angle sensor, however you can use the existing one if you don't get one with purchase...
DO disconnect battery for at least 30 minutes, make sure you have the tools, takes about 30-45 minutes to do if you have a bit of mechanical background and ability, not hard at all regardless.
Don't move the steering wheel...
AlfaOBD is helpful with checking... but then again it's helpful with a LOT of things...

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[Dusty]

Thank you all. This is literally the first forum I have ever signed up in. So please bare with me as I will do my best to be a quick study.

So I took it in for its second Transmission Service and when I picked it up from the dealer I didn't have any Steering Wheel controls. I cannot turn up the radio or access any of my menu options. The horn doesn't work either. Honestly I've never had such a thing happen so I called the dealer. They looked at it and said the Clock Spring. I don't think they are lying but it could just have been a guess on their part. That is why I ran with it. You guys have all be extremely helpful.

Lastly while I appreciate the thanks for my service please know that I should thank you all for the support and love we received from our country! You all provided us with the Finest of Training and the Finest of equipment. I went in for Motor Transport and qualified for MOS 3521 (maintenance) so I shouldn't be totally lost.

Oh how things have changed gents. Some folks in the country have gone nuts.

15th MEU CWO3 1st Combat Engineer Battalion (1996-2016)
Musa Qal'eh 10', 11', 13'

With all your symptoms I wouldn't be throwing a clockspring assembly in it just yet. If you lost the horn it could be you lost power to the steering wheel related circuits. I can't imagine how a transmission service could cause this, but maybe a harness connector got disturbed somehow.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 152203 miles.

 

[Pushrod8Speed]

I agree with Dusty. Not sure about your model, but try replacing fuse 82 (10amp) first.