Cummins $1.6 billion dollar fine!!!

[mtnrider]

I'm curious as to "which" trucks are affected? Certain model, certain market? It's not all of them that's for sure, the numbers they are claiming are no where near the total produced during those years, it's only a small percentage.

"The department said Cummins used defeat devices on 630,000 2013 to 2019 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines and undisclosed auxiliary emission control devices on 330,000 2019 to 2023 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines to cheat emissions control requirements."

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[BossHogg]

If you log in on the RAM site or the RamConnect App and look under recalls that is where I found it.

I just checked my Mopar Garage website and the recall is listed under "emissions recalls" with the date N/A and shows parts are available. The letter is identical to the one you posted.

I guess I'll take a seat and wait until folks start getting the update and see what behaviors they see changed. From reading around, the "device" worked to favor the engine when it was under load but a dyno test was not enough to trigger the device's emission meddling.

Outside of California, I wonder what they will do to convince us to have our controllers reflashed. It is a pain to get something this simple done. The service department will want your vehicle for the best part of the day and possibly overnight if they don't get to it. On top of that, I'll have to arrange transportation to and from the dealer. My service department makes it clear, that your appointment is with a service advisor and not with a technician. They are going to need to find a way to compel us to bring our vehicles in.

Update: I just got my daily "Your Daily Digest for Sat, Dec 23" email from USPS. In the list of incoming mail was a MOTOR VEHICLE NOTIFICATION envelope from FCA. They are not wasting any time getting out the recall.

 

[18CrewDually]

I just checked my Mopar Garage website and the recall is listed under "emissions recalls" with the date N/A and shows parts are available. The letter is identical to the one you posted.

I guess I'll take a seat and wait until folks start getting the update and see what behaviors they see changed. From reading around, the "device" worked to favor the engine when it was under load but a dyno test was not enough to trigger the device's emission meddling.

Outside of California, I wonder what they will do to convince us to have our controllers reflashed. It is a pain to get something this simple done. The service department will want your vehicle for the best part of the day and possibly overnight if they don't get to it. On top of that, I'll have to arrange transportation to and from the dealer. My service department makes it clear, that your appointment is with a service advisor and not with a technician. They are going to need to find a way to compel us to bring our vehicles in.

Not happening. Combined between 2 trucks to log over 200k miles and never having an emissions issue and being content with the engine performance of the rigs, I'm not taking a chance of losing neither.
I'm with you though in watching to see how it turns out for the ones that do get it done. But even then some results may be opinionated.

To add, this Emmissions Recall first showed up on the site on November 29th. They are actively updating the site with the last being this morning at 1203 hrs. Last night the download .pdf file was in French for the Canadian market but now is updated with the US market announcement.

 

[zrock]

I just checked my Mopar Garage website and the recall is listed under "emissions recalls" with the date N/A and shows parts are available. The letter is identical to the one you posted.

I guess I'll take a seat and wait until folks start getting the update and see what behaviors they see changed. From reading around, the "device" worked to favor the engine when it was under load but a dyno test was not enough to trigger the device's emission meddling.

Outside of California, I wonder what they will do to convince us to have our controllers reflashed. It is a pain to get something this simple done. The service department will want your vehicle for the best part of the day and possibly overnight if they don't get to it. On top of that, I'll have to arrange transportation to and from the dealer. My service department makes it clear, that your appointment is with a service advisor and not with a technician. They are going to need to find a way to compel us to bring our vehicles in.

i would be pointing out to your service dept that your appointment is in fact with a tech as the service advisor is not the one working on your veh. That is the stupidest comment from a service dept i have ever seen, i work in the industry and would never say that to a customer..

As far as cummins goes since emissions have come into effect they have not been able to have a reliable engine like they used to. They did not redesign anything and just tossed emission components on and tried to tune the engine to run efficiently.. i see more cummns failures than anything.

 

[Jimmy07]

I'm curious as to "which" trucks are affected? Certain model, certain market? It's not all of them that's for sure, the numbers they are claiming are no where near the total produced during those years, it's only a small percentage.

"The department said Cummins used defeat devices on 630,000 2013 to 2019 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines and undisclosed auxiliary emission control devices on 330,000 2019 to 2023 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines to cheat emissions control requirements."

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How many Cummins equipped Rams are you thinking they produce per model year?
960,000 affected trucks over 11 model years is an average of 87,000 per year, and this only affects 2500 (DJ) and 3500 (D2) trucks, so chassis cabs aren’t included.

The 2019 VB6 recall claims 91,000 affected trucks, and that was probably a higher selling model year because of the newer look and features.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Wow. After the fine in 1999 for big rigs same thing, this is hard to believe.

 

[turkeybird56]

Not happening. Combined between 2 trucks to log over 200k miles and never having an emissions issue and being content with the engine performance of the rigs, I'm not taking a chance of losing neither.
I'm with you though in watching to see how it turns out for the ones that do get it done. But even then some results may be opinionated.

To add, this Emmissions Recall first showed up on the site on November 29th. They are actively updating the site with the last being this morning at 1203 hrs. Last night the download .pdf file was in French for the Canadian market but now is updated with the US market announcement.

Just a POI: I had a 2015 ED, and there was the Big EPA/CARB issue on "programming" on the ED's. FCA was fined and the fix (programming) was in. The fix just goofed over the ED's, and their performance went downhill. Luckily, I had sold my ED and went to Hemi, but did get a $990 settlement, which I just put back in the truck for the purchase of the full tonneau cover on the Hemi. All prior IMHO.

 

[mtnrider]

How many Cummins equipped Rams are you thinking they produce per model year?
960,000 affected trucks over 11 model years is an average of 87,000 per year, and this only affects 2500 (DJ) and 3500 (D2) trucks, so chassis cabs aren’t included.

The 2019 VB6 recall claims 91,000 affected trucks, and that was probably a higher selling model year because of the newer look and features.

Well I guess you would know more then me but could have sworn it was several hundred thousand a year that I saw sales number on...

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[ranchhopper]

The loons are going to used forced compliance to drive everyone into EVs its part of the plan I hope people remember this.

 

[Jimmy07]

Well I guess you would know more then me but could have sworn it was several hundred thousand a year that I saw sales number on...

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Just to put a little perspective, using 2023 MY (I know, not the best example because sales were down that year):
VIN sequence for HD rams started at 500001 for 2023, and ended in the 654000’s. That would be ~154,000 HD Rams that were slated to be built, which includes Cummins, Hemi, chassis cab, exports, pilot vehicles, builds that were scrapped, and VINs that were converted to 2024 MY because they couldn’t get to them by the end of 2023 MY production.

 

[Sandevino]

Low hanging fruit. If the EPA really wants to do something about nothing, they will go after the shipping, construction and aviation markets.

So far...crickets.

 

[Mister Luck]

When Cheating on Dyno performance is artificially enhance is through the adjustment of barometric pressure settings .

If your induction boost pressure is altered under load the exhaust gas temperatures can be kept below a threshold for oxides of nitrogen.
If they are only testing at idle and below 3000 rpm maybe the barometric sensor is modified?

So owners will soon start installing modified turbo actuators or buying aftermarket chipped computers as a go around ?

California smog cops and the CHP set up inspection check points or have spectrometers set up on freeway off-ramps with license plate readers.
That can put a damper on when to safely swap out parts, or just register in a state that has zero emissions testing that would be nice.

I hope the rest of the country doesn’t follow California’s predatory governmental practices…

Oregon is on track to limiting greenhouse emissions 80% by 2050..

I heard OPEC leadership asking..

” Please explain to us why do we need to go back to the caves ? “

In their response to the UN global warming initiatives,
to eliminate fossil fuel.

 

[DILLIGAF]

L!btard snowflakes thinking they are saving the world is amusing to watch. While they are literally building deleted trucks to ship to Mexico and overseas.

Looking forward to seeing that tree of liberty get refreshed

 

[06 Dodge]

I just checked my Mopar Garage website and so far do not see this recall listed for my truck

 

[rule18]

Guys, please step back from turning this thread to WOT political. We all know this stuff is stupid, but the Owner's forum rules are what they are.

 

[U&A]

had to delete my post because it was political

 

[BossHogg]

i would be pointing out to your service dept that your appointment is in fact with a tech as the service advisor is not the one working on your veh. That is the stupidest comment from a service dept i have ever seen, i work in the industry and would never say that to a customer..

I've questioned their "appointment with whom" claims every time I go in. It is the same story, it has been the same since I bought my first RAM in 2013, and all the dealers in my area sing the same song.

 

[jejb]

I just checked my Mopar Garage website and so far do not see this recall listed for my truck

Same with my 22 Cummins. And the press releases I've seen show 2 different brackets of trucks. 13-18 is one, 19-23 is another. Maybe they have not figured out the update/recall on the newer ones yet?

 

[Scottly]

That is the stupidest comment from a service dept i have ever seen, i work in the industry and would never say that to a customer..

Maybe not you, but I've heard it many times before. He's not kidding. Worse, local dealers here consider an appointment the time you start LINING UP to speak to the advisor. If you have a 7:30 for an oil change, that's when the gate at the lot gets unlocked. You get written up int he order you're in line. Your truck gets worked on in whatever order the team leader hands them out to the lube monkeys. You'll be done by 11am, if you're lucky. It's the Ferman way.

 

[WY-Dave]

Yup it's there, Incomplete and it's going to stay that way just like the drag link, unless they come around to replacing vs. welding