Cummins $1.6 billion dollar fine!!!

[mtnrider]

Unless your state requires all recalls to be done for registration this whole things means Nothing.... Do it, don't do it, it doesn't matter.

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[Timsdually]

They will be eventually.
2019 already had it taken care of a couple years ago with the VB6 recall (that model year is what triggered the whole investigation).
They don’t have a solution yet for 2020-2023.
2024’s are not mentioned at all in the violations.

It will be 4 years come Feb for the VB6 recall. That recall was on the 2019. So, 1 year later they recalled it.
I'm not worried. It's been 4 years.

 

[BenWade]

Then why aren't the 2019-2024's recalled for emissions.
They obviously meet the standard. My '20 HO has no problem.

Again, no. They are not meeting the standards. They are paying $Billions in carbon credits. Obviously Stellantis would not be paying $billions if they were meeting carbon emissions

 

[06 Dodge]

Again, no. They are not meeting the standards. They are paying $Billions in carbon credits. Obviously Stellantis would not be paying $billions if they were meeting carbon emissions

Your talking about gas engine emissions not meeting the standards and why FCA is paying out billions for carbon credits, that has nothing to do with what's going on with the current Cummins 67a Emission BS that came out resently...

 

[BenWade]

Your talking about gas engine emissions not meeting the standards and why FCA is paying out billions for carbon credits, that has nothing to do with what's going on with the current Cummins 67a Emission BS that came out resently...

No, we're talking specifically about the manufacturers are unable to meet these absurd emissions standards.

The manufacturers simply can't meet these absurd CAFE standards anymore. It is intentional. The climate cultists are by force taking away our ICEs.

 

[Jimmy07]

No, we're talking specifically about the manufacturers are unable to meet these absurd emissions standards.

Yes, they are able to meet the standards. That’s exactly why there was the VB6 recall for 2019, and the 67A recall for 2013-2018- so those vehicles can meet the standards.

 

[18CrewDually]

Where did it say they "weren't meeting the standards. "? I believe the issue is the Feds & Cali didn't like that Cummins met the standards by plugging in a strategy in the PCM instead of having all sensors (NoX) being incorporated in the system to determine the functions of the emmisions system. At the tailpipe on a dyno it performed to or above the standards. "They" have a problem with IF it works to the standard during real world use.
This has been my interpretation of this BS.

 

[BenWade]

Yes, they are able to meet the standards. That’s exactly why there was the VB6 recall for 2019, and the 67A recall for 2013-2018- so those vehicles can meet the standards.

Where did it say they "weren't meeting the standards. "? I believe the issue is the Feds & Cali didn't like that Cummins met the standards by plugging in a strategy in the PCM instead of having all sensors (NoX) being incorporated in the system to determine the functions of the emmisions system. At the tailpipe on a dyno it performed to or above the standards. "They" have a problem with IF it works to the standard during real world use.
This has been my interpretation of this BS.

There is quite a few of y'all that seem to think all these diesel and V8 hemis are meeting the CAFE standards. THEY ARE NOT. Stellantis MUST buy carbon credits because of their vehicles' emissions. All the manufacturers are having to do this. It is costing them $billions.

 

[RamDiver]

There is quite a few of y'all that seem to think all these diesel and V8 hemis are meeting the CAFE standards. THEY ARE NOT. Stellantis MUST buy carbon credits because of their vehicles' emissions. All the manufacturers are having to do this. It is costing them $billions.

OK, show us a link that supports this view.

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[Jimmy07]

There is quite a few of y'all that seem to think all these diesel and V8 hemis are meeting the CAFE standards. THEY ARE NOT. Stellantis MUST buy carbon credits because of their vehicles' emissions. All the manufacturers are having to do this. It is costing them $billions.

Let’s attack this from a different direction. Why was Cummins (NOT the vehicle manufacturer) sued by the DOJ, have to pay a fine, and as a result have to recall all the trucks in question to reflash the engine calibration?

 

[18CrewDually]

There is quite a few of y'all that seem to think all these diesel and V8 hemis are meeting the CAFE standards. THEY ARE NOT. Stellantis MUST buy carbon credits because of their vehicles' emissions. All the manufacturers are having to do this. It is costing them $billions.

I don't care about gassers and CaFE standards, or HOW Stellantis got there to have the 2013-2018 Cummins powered pickups approved for Federal Emmissions.
My point is, it was fine until suddenly it wasn't!

 

[BenWade]

I don't care about gassers and CaFE standards, or HOW Stellantis got there to have the 2013-2018 Cummins powered pickups approved for Federal Emmissions.
My point is, it was fine until suddenly it wasn't!

Yes, I agree

The manufacturers simply can't meet these absurd CAFE standards anymore. It is intentional. The climate cultists are by force taking away our ICEs.

At this point might as well start doing oil changes in the ditch just to spite these people

 

[BenWade]

Let’s attack this from a different direction. Why was Cummins (NOT the vehicle manufacturer) sued by the DOJ, have to pay a fine, and as a result have to recall all the trucks in question to reflash the engine calibration?

Stellantis is still being investigated/negotiated but Cummins is clearly the culpable party.

 

[Jimmy07]

Stellantis is still being investigated/negotiated but Cummins is clearly the culpable party.

You didn’t answer the question…

 

[18CrewDually]

You didn’t answer the question…

Cummins supplies to RAM the power-pack: Engine, PCM, Emmissions System. It is expected to work in harmony. Apparently it has been found that Cummins without Ram's knowledge duped the system and the FEDS figured it out. They went right after the source, Cummins. Pretty much sums it up.

 

[Jimmy07]

Cummins supplies to RAM the power-pack: Engine, PCM, Emmissions System. It is expected to work in harmony. Apparently it has been found that Cummins without Ram's knowledge duped the system and the FEDS figured it out. They went right after the source, Cummins. Pretty much sums it up.

It was a question specifically for him, to lead him to debunk his own claims.
I know exactly how all that works, and I have a pretty good idea of how everything went down, what it most likely was that they found, and what the recall is doing.

 

[Billy V]

I have a pretty good idea of how everything went down, what it most likely was that they found, and what the recall is doing.

Please tell us what you think they found and what the recall is doing.

Thanks

 

[BenWade]

It was a question specifically for him, to lead him to debunk his own claims.
I know exactly how all that works, and I have a pretty good idea of how everything went down, what it most likely was that they found, and what the recall is doing.

My claim is that manufacturers are unable to meet the CAFE standards.

The manufacturers simply can't meet these absurd CAFE standards anymore. It is intentional. The climate cultists are by force taking away our ICEs.

Do you believe that the manufacturers are achieving these standards??

 

[mtnrider]

It was a question specifically for him, to lead him to debunk his own claims.
I know exactly how all that works, and I have a pretty good idea of how everything went down, what it most likely was that they found, and what the recall is doing.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this Jimmy, Even if your not 100% sure.

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[04fxdwgi]

From the chatter I have been hearing, it is similar to the VW diesel fiasco that entailed ECU mapping that modified settings during the smog tests to ensure smog compliance. Once passed and on the road, the mapping changed to enhance performance and driveability, over compliance.

Reason VW was left to buy backs was after the reprogramming was performed, to be in compliance, the advertised performance numbers dropped considerably to a degree that the owners were sold a bill of goods of a vehicle not living up to the advertised performance.

I guess they were holding the bag, because they cheated to raise performance numbers that couldn't be achvied if compliant.