Engine Swap 5.7 to 5.7

[stinkfinger]

Guys,

I hope this isn't a stupid question but here goes anyway. I have a 2014 Ram 1500 express it has 189000 miles on it. I know that at some point I will get the daunted hemi tick, so I always like to have an "out" for situations like that. I have a chance to buy a Hemi 5.7 from a 2020 charger that has on 48k miles on it for $500. Will this engine work for a swap I know the cam and some other things may need swapped but what about engine mounts?

Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated gentlemen!

Thanks in Advance!

 

[Wild one]

Guys,

I hope this isn't a stupid question but here goes anyway. I have a 2014 Ram 1500 express it has 189000 miles on it. I know that at some point I will get the daunted hemi tick, so I always like to have an "out" for situations like that. I have a chance to buy a Hemi 5.7 from a 2020 charger that has on 48k miles on it for $500. Will this engine work for a swap I know the cam and some other things may need swapped but what about engine mounts?

Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated gentlemen!

Thanks in Advance!

It'll bolt in,but you'll have to use the front timing cover / oil pan / oil pick-up tube / intake manifold / dipstick tube and use all your original sensors etc,from your trucks 5.7. You might also have to swap the pilot bushing in the end of the crank to match your trucks torque convertor
The best time to do a cam swap would be when the replacement engine is on a stand,and you already have the oilpan and front timing cover off

 

[stinkfinger]

Awesome brother! Thank you for the quick reply! Love this community!

 

[Xsen]

Don't mean to hijack this thread but since the question is almost the same, thought I'd post it here.

What if I try to swap a newer MY2019 5.7 off a 5th gen Rebel into the MY2014 truck that originally had 5.7 as well - would there be problems with the sensors or other stuff?

 

[Grams]

Don't mean to hijack this thread but since the question is almost the same, thought I'd post it here.

What if I try to swap a newer MY2019 5.7 off a 5th gen Rebel into the MY2014 truck that originally had 5.7 as well - would there be problems with the sensors or other stuff?

There will be “problems with the sensors or other stuff” even if you Don’t.

(LOL… sorry…couldn’t resist)

 

[Xsen]

I mean, my thought was that 2019 was still running on GPEC2 PCM, so it would probably be very similar to 2014. I've compared the calibrations and there is a significant difference, but that might as well be FCA doing their homework. But are these engines different in terms of internal components (like cam) and sensors (number, location, pin-out)? I'm almost sure the bottom part of the engine is the same.

 

[Wild one]

I mean, my thought was that 2019 was still running on GPEC2 PCM, so it would probably be very similar to 2014. I've compared the calibrations and there is a significant difference, but that might as well be FCA doing their homework. But are these engines different in terms of internal components (like cam) and sensors (number, location, pin-out)? I'm almost sure the bottom part of the engine is the same.

A 19 should bolt right in,odds are the sensors will swap over,but if you get any codes,just swap your original sensors into the new engine.
Depending on transmissions between the 2 trucks you might have to swap the pilot bushing in the back of the crank.

 

[Riccochet]

Also worth mentioning that when installing a car 5.7 in to a truck, in top of all the stuff mentioned above that will need to be swapped, you will need to replace the cam in the car 5.7 as they are a different profile from the truck 5.7 cam. They're not hugely different, but different enough to where if you didn't replace it you'd immediately start throwing misfire codes and timing would be off.

 

[Wild one]

Also worth mentioning that when installing a car 5.7 in to a truck, in top of all the stuff mentioned above that will need to be swapped, you will need to replace the cam in the car 5.7 as they are a different profile from the truck 5.7 cam. They're not hugely different, but different enough to where if you didn't replace it you'd immediately start throwing misfire codes and timing would be off.

No it won't,otherwise every aftermarket cam on the market would throw misfire/timing codes when installed.

 

[Riccochet]

No it won't,otherwise every aftermarket cam on the market would throw misfire/timing codes when installed.

They are different cams between the car and truck engines. Enough of a difference to where there will be issues.

There are "no tune" aftermarket cams, but they're barely what would be considered "stage 1". Anything more aggressive is going to require a tune.

 

[Wild one]

They are different cams between the car and truck engines. Enough of a difference to where there will be issues.

There are "no tune" aftermarket cams, but they're barely what would be considered "stage 1". Anything more aggressive is going to require a tune.

Exactly,and they don't throw any misfire codes,so what makes you think the cars cam will throw a misfire code.
Lots of guys swap in the 6.4 cam with no issues,in both the cars and trucks with 5.7's

 

[stinkfinger]

So, it finally happened this morning. Got real bad tick on the way into work. I am so glad I bought this replacement engine.

So just to be clear I should be good to go for the swap. From reading all the post I will need to use the original engines FRONT TIMING COVER, OIL PAN, OIL PICK UP TUBE, INTAKE MANIFOLD, DIP STICK TUBE, and ALL ORIGINAL SENSORS. Also, possibly the PILOT BUSHING in the end of the crank to match the trucks torque convertor. I may just buy all these parts new that way I can just rebuild the original engine for a swap if this one ever goes bad. Only I would delete the AFM/DOD fuel Managment system. Can anyone please take a look and make sure I am not missing anything. I would greatly appreciate it. I forgot to mention also the buy I bought the extra engine only wanted and extra $250 bucks for the Chargers transmission too I ended up with that also. Later down the line I will swap that too. Fill that be an issue. Will it swap in?

 

[rzr6-4]

Odds are your new tick is just the manifolds. Way easier to fix that then do an engine swap. If that is the case I'd fix it and take my time on the replacement motor incase you do get the actual cam/lifter failure.

May well be the cam, I'd just verify first.

 

[stinkfinger]

Odds are your new tick is just the manifolds. Way easier to fix that then do an engine swap. If that is the case I'd fix it and take my time on the replacement motor incase you do get the actual cam/lifter failure.

May well be the cam, I'd just verify first.

It is definitely the cam & lifters. I already had the factory manifolds taken off and machined flat. Did that when I got the truck. It is also a totally different kind of tick. I can tell it's definitely mechanical.

 

[rzr6-4]

It is definitely the cam & lifters. I already had the factory manifolds taken off and machined flat. Did that when I got the truck. It is also a totally different kind of tick. I can tell it's definitely mechanical.

 

[ramffml]

Well, that's some amazing foresight; $500 for a new-ish replacement engine is quite the steal all things considered.

 

[Wild one]

So, it finally happened this morning. Got real bad tick on the way into work. I am so glad I bought this replacement engine.

So just to be clear I should be good to go for the swap. From reading all the post I will need to use the original engines FRONT TIMING COVER, OIL PAN, OIL PICK UP TUBE, INTAKE MANIFOLD, DIP STICK TUBE, and ALL ORIGINAL SENSORS. Also, possibly the PILOT BUSHING in the end of the crank to match the trucks torque convertor. I may just buy all these parts new that way I can just rebuild the original engine for a swap if this one ever goes bad. Only I would delete the AFM/DOD fuel Managment system. Can anyone please take a look and make sure I am not missing anything. I would greatly appreciate it. I forgot to mention also the buy I bought the extra engine only wanted and extra $250 bucks for the Chargers transmission too I ended up with that also. Later down the line I will swap that too. Fill that be an issue. Will it swap in?

Dodge calls it MDS,not AFM/DOD,that's a GM thing. To properly delete the MDS system,you need to swap the cam,and the 8 MDS lifters,then pull the mds solenoids and replace them with Ma Mopars mds block off plugs for a 6 speed 5.7 or 6.4 Challenger,then have it tuned
By the looks of your avatar,your truck is a 4X4,if that's the case the cars 8 speed won't work,as it's not set up to bolt a transfer case to,you'll need a 4X4 truck 8 speed.
If your trucks a 2X4,with some cooler line adapting,you can make the cars 8 speed work

 

[stinkfinger]

Dodge calls it MDS,not AFM/DOD,that's a GM thing. To properly delete the MDS system,you need to swap the cam,and the 8 MDS lifters,then pull the mds solenoids and replace them with Ma Mopars mds block off plugs for a 6 speed 5.7 or 6.4 Challenger,then have it tuned
By the looks of your avatar,your truck is a 4X4,if that's the case the cars 8 speed won't work,as it's not set up to bolt a transfer case to,you'll need a 4X4 truck 8 speed.
If your trucks a 2X4,with some cooler line adapting,you can make the cars 8 speed work

Yes, it's a 4x4. So, looks like I can't use it. Maybe I can sell it and get something back for it. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[stinkfinger]

Well, that's some amazing foresight; $500 for a new-ish replacement engine is quite the steal all things considered.

I happen to work with the guy who sold it to me, and I know that car/engine was taken care of.

 

[stinkfinger]

this engine swap is happening on Saturday. Quick question would i be ok with the 2020 charger Hemi's oil pump? Or do I need to take the one off the 2014 ram hemi?