EPA Chief: Auto Start/Stop Technology Is Done

[JJEH]

Forget auto stop/start, the entire EPA is nothing but government overreach and needs to be disbanded

Aye.

 

[Sherman Bird]

Quick question, doesn't almost every car equipped with this have a button to turn the feature off? Then it won't start/stop.

The morons that be set it up to a default upon restarting the car, thus, one must turn it off every time.

 

[Classic_Buzz]

I've had it in several vehicles and it isn't an issue.

I've never had any of the issues listed - if the second that it takes to start is causing people to think that you aren't paying attention or more likely looking a your phone, chances are that is what is happening.

Annoying, sometimes but usually pretty seamless. If you want the engine to start earlier, just lift ever so slightly on the brake pedal and like magic the engine starts - and you don't even move.

It shouldn't be a requirement, but you can bet it will be a requirement in some states - so ending the fed requirement is less of a big deal than it seems.

It's fair you say it is no issue, considering you, yourself, haven't had one yet. But there are many others (including myself) that find it annoying and just pointless. I think everyone should stand a chance when it comes to working on their own vehicles. Yes of course there are things that you just can't avoid taking it to a mechanic simply because you lack the necessary tools. And who wants to spend 400$ at AutoZone for a tool you might use twice if you're lucky. The less moving parts, the less complex, the less required maintenance, the better. And I personally think that the EPA's removal of such complex & unnecessary parts is beneficial for the folks who enjoy working on their own vehicle and saving those multiple 100 dollar plus labor fees. Also I'm glad you brought up the fact that some states will still require it. That is so true. But the end of the fed requirement is a great step.

 

[Classic_Buzz]

The morons that be set it up to a default upon restarting the car, thus, one must turn it off every time.

So annoying

 

[pacofortacos]

It's fair you say it is no issue, considering you, yourself, haven't had one yet. But there are many others (including myself) that find it annoying and just pointless. I think everyone should stand a chance when it comes to working on their own vehicles. Yes of course there are things that you just can't avoid taking it to a mechanic simply because you lack the necessary tools. And who wants to spend 400$ at AutoZone for a tool you might use twice if you're lucky. The less moving parts, the less complex, the less required maintenance, the better. And I personally think that the EPA's removal of such complex & unnecessary parts is beneficial for the folks who enjoy working on their own vehicle and saving those multiple 100 dollar plus labor fees. Also I'm glad you brought up the fact that some states will still require it. That is so true. But the end of the fed requirement is a great step.

I didn't say it wouldn't be annoying to some people. I've found that some people can get annoyed at most anything haha.
Many models have a separate battery for stop/start - basically a small motorcycle battery. The Pacifica stop/start battery lasted 1-1.5 yrs for the ones that I had. Leaving the dead battery in did disable stop/start from functioning

They pushed it as a fuel saving item, but I would be the real purpose of start/stop is to limit pollution in heavy city traffic.

I've had it in 2 or 3 Pacificas and now my Traverse.

If you want to complain about lag from a stop, the Pacifica is one of the worst vehicles that I have ever driven if trying to accelerate quickly from a dead stop. Pedal to the floor and count to 5 or 10 before it actually goes while it is thinking, hmmmm do they really want to go full throttle, let's give it a few seconds for the driver to decide.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I didn't say it wouldn't be annoying to some people. I've found that some people can get annoyed at most anything haha.
Many models have a separate battery for stop/start - basically a small motorcycle battery. The Pacifica stop/start battery lasted 1-1.5 yrs for the ones that I had. Leaving the dead battery in did disable stop/start from functioning

I haven't personally verified it, but multiple users on Jeep forums say Wranglers/Gladiators won't start at all if the stop/start battery is dead even if the 'main' battery is fine. If it worked like you say your Pacifica does then it wouldn't be as big a deal, I think.

 

[JJEH]

I haven't personally verified it, but multiple users on Jeep forums say Wranglers/Gladiators won't start at all if the stop/start battery is dead even if the 'main' battery is fine. If it worked like you say your Pacifica does then it wouldn't be as big a deal, I think.

There are so many scams in the automotive world, this is just one of them.

 

[grizzstang]

My wife's Wrangler has it and it's annoying as hell...
Thinking of buying one of those Auto stop eliminators...

Autostop Eliminator - Disable The Auto Start Stop Feature

The Autostop Eliminator is an intelligent tech device for your car, truck or SUV that will safely disable auto start-stop feature and remember your preference

www.autostopeliminator.com

Hard to figure the value of a feature when there's an entire industry developed just to defeat it...

I can tell you they work well. I bought this one for our 2022 Jeep Cherokee.

I like that this one does not disable it but will automatically set it to the last position of the OEM start/stop button in your vehicle, so if I take it to the dealer I can just turn it on again with the button.

Easy install too.

Smart Stop Start

Override or Disable Auto Stop or Engine Stop Start (ESS)

www.smartstopstart.com

 

[20IndyRam]

I guess I'm fortunate that I have yet to own a ICE vehicle that has had start/stop. 2018 Kia turbo, 2018 Mazda 3 (daughter's), 2020 Ecodiesel, 2025 Camry (hybrid - has it of course), and then my 70's vehicles... I "get" why the turbo vehicles don't have start/stop. Not sure why my daughter's Mazda 3 doesn't.

We do travel a good amount. I've had numerous Chevy's, Kia's, Toyotas, that have had the system. NEVER found it to be an issue.

I did rent a Citroen C5 Diesel with a with a 6-speed when we were in Spain a couple of years back. Driving out of Madrid I pulled up to a stop light, pushed in the clutch and put the car in neutral. When I released the clutch (to save the throw-out bearing) the car shut off. I think I sh$t myself. Pushed in the clutch and the car immediately started. At this point I'm thinking NFW - a manual diesel has stop/start??? Sure enough, there was an option (buried two menu's deep) to turn off the start stop.

The end message - yes I had a big issue with start/stop on a Diesel/Manual. That's on me. On the flip side, I only drove this vehicle for 13 days and I learned how to disable the system EVERY TIME I GOT IN THE vehicle.

I'm old and I'm cheap. I managed to teach myself to disable the start/stop on a Citroen Diesel with a complicated menu system in a couple of days. No way am I paying $100 for a addon system because I can't remember to hit the button. If I get that bad, I shouldn't be driving.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I did rent a Citroen C5 Diesel with a with a 6-speed when we were in Spain a couple of years back. Driving out of Madrid I pulled up to a stop light, pushed in the clutch and put the car in neutral. When I released the clutch (to save the throw-out bearing) the car shut off. I think I sh$t myself. Pushed in the clutch and the car immediately started. At this point I'm thinking NFW - a manual diesel has stop/start??? Sure enough, there was an option (buried two menu's deep) to turn off the start stop.

Spain was also my first stop/start with a stick experience, and it was similar to yours in a WTF just happened moment as I waited at a roundabout. It was a Hyundai, though.

 

[pacofortacos]

I haven't personally verified it, but multiple users on Jeep forums say Wranglers/Gladiators won't start at all if the stop/start battery is dead even if the 'main' battery is fine. If it worked like you say your Pacifica does then it wouldn't be as big a deal, I think.

I'm not sure on the Jeeps. It wouldn't make any sense but if programmed that way, I could see it happening.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I'm not sure on the Jeeps. It wouldn't make any sense but if programmed that way, I could see it happening.

People were complaining about it on early Gladiators. Maybe not an issue now, don't know. They do sell an aftermarket bypass that gets rid of it, though.

In a new Wrangler Rubicon rental this weekend. It has it, but it's pretty seamless.