Full time 4x4 vs part time 4x4

[powrsurg]

I was looking to do a new power wagon but I'm completely lopsided. I guess I could sell my truck on my own and look to buy a slightlyear used wagon. We shall see. I guess

 

[powrsurg]

Hfe, express, tradesman, outdoorsman, come part time / no slipper clutch on transfer case
Bighorn, sport, Laramie full time / has slipper clutch on transfer case.

 

[powrsurg]

It says it in the back of the brochure where they compare them. In the 2015 brochure it was in disclaimer size font.

 

[madpuma13]

I'm a little confused here. I've heard people in other threads about this say that ALL Ram's are going to be the full time rather than the part time transfer case but a couple people in this thread are saying it's only certain trims? Which is it? I want the part time, no "auto" mode, I prefer to control it myself and the transfer cases with "auto" don't actually lock when the knob is in "4wd lock. I'll be wanting my next RAM to be the same or I'll be hanging onto the one I have as long as possible. This isn't a "**** measuring" thing like GP4L said above, it's how I prefer my 4wd even if I'm not off-roading. I live in a snowbelt in winter, my night vision sucks, and both directions of my winter commute to work are on a dark ****** country highway. So I don't want "awd" I want to put my truck in 4wd lock and know it's actually IN 4wd lock not "knob says 4wd lock but just kidding not really"

Many terms are being thrown around here that people are using interchangeably when they shouldn't, I may be included.

Our trucks have two different transfer cases as you are aware. The part time 4x4 transfer case which locks the front and rear diffs together is only available on certain trims. The tradesman, outdoorsman and one other I forget. The outdoorsman is the "highest" trim level that you can get the part time 4x4 transfer case with.

The "auto" transfer case more closely resembles a part time awd than anything else. This transfer case comes with any vehicle with the "auto" button in the cab including big horn, Laramie and everything above.

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[Barcelo5]

Ok. Got here late......but picture this on the first page.....HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!

 

[opie]

Hfe, express, tradesman, outdoorsman, come part time / no slipper clutch on transfer case
Bighorn, sport, Laramie full time / has slipper clutch on transfer case.

My Big Horn does not have AWD. Only part time.

 

[Brian_Ram]

The whole thing is confusing

This is what I have on my Big Horn. I thought part time was 4WD Auto and full time was 4WD Lock or 4WD Low?

 

[7777xm]

A few have had problems, 10s of thousands have not.

Mine auto xfer case works fine. Hell, it's abused to. WOT jack rabbit starts in rain, snow, dirt, etc. Instant engagement and never overheated.

Who's actually rock crawling in their rams?

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[69GWC]

The Sport is a 4wd (not awd) so I dont see how this 44-44 is good enough for what the truck was built for.
IMO it is a 4x4 that will be used off road and should not have clutches that will slip like this will, unless you mean this truck was never design to go off road ?
I did not know untill I found this post that the Sport had auto 4wd My 06 Z71 had a auto setting and I hated it and how jerky it was.

 

[Makin-Chips]

The whole thing is confusing

This is what I have on my Big Horn. I thought part time was 4WD Auto and full time was 4WD Lock or 4WD Low?

My 2015 Lonestar has this also, and it's the 44-44. After reading through this thread, I crawled under it to confirm it. Reading the manual, the 5 position transfer case (either dial or button) can be put in 4auto or 4wd on the fly, and 4auto fine on dry pavement. Only 4low needs the transmission on N (neutral) to engage and both 4wd and 4low not to be used on dry pavement. As far as 4wd and 4low, clutches locking are dependent on the strength of the magnets. Would this be correct?



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[iam_canadian22]

The whole thing is confusing

This is what I have on my Big Horn. I thought part time was 4WD Auto and full time was 4WD Lock or 4WD Low?

Our trucks have no full time case, traditionally a full time case has no 2wd mode, our part time case has no auto mode, the on demand case has auto

 

[iam_canadian22]

A few have had problems, 10s of thousands have not.

Mine auto xfer case works fine. Hell, it's abused to. WOT jack rabbit starts in rain, snow, dirt, etc. Instant engagement and never overheated.

Who's actually rock crawling in their rams?

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Its more like 10s of thousands have the problems and dont realize it, when i was dealing with my 13 sport i tried 6 or 7 different models with the on demand case and behaved exactly the same no initial lock up without spin and disengage when no load

 

[7777xm]

Its more like 10s of thousands have the problems and dont realize it, when i was dealing with my 13 sport i tried 6 or 7 different models with the on demand case and behaved exactly the same no initial lock up without spin and disengage when no load

Then start a class action suit. Tens of thousands of people are not tying their trucks to trees!

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[Rustycowl69]

from out of left field, the best move I ever made with my full time 4wd 76 big block Power Wagon was putting in a part time front driving axle with lockable hubs, and putting in a blocking kit in the transfer case. I went from 11 mpg to 15 mpg and it actually steered much, much better, too. It can be a little inconvenient, having to get out and lock the hubs, but it's kind of an adrenaline rush, too. I think it kind of indicates you mean business, now, to yourself. As an added bonus it reduced front tire wear.

 

[iam_canadian22]

Then start a class action suit. Tens of thousands of people aunt Eileen their trucks to trees

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Its how it was designed and works as designed, so no grounds for any lawsuit, its perfect for what 90% of buyers will do with the truck, im in the other 10%, when i select 4wd i need 4wd, i read on here all the time on here of people using 4wd because its raining, to me thats obsurd but thats the bigger market so thats what they engineer for

 

[7777xm]

Its how it was designed and works as designed, so no grounds for any lawsuit, its perfect for what 90% of buyers will do with the truck, im in the other 10%, when i select 4wd i need 4wd, i read on here all the time on here of people using 4wd because its raining, to me thats obsurd but thats the bigger market so thats what they engineer for

If it says 4 wheel lock and it's not locked, then that's the issue.

You get 4wd when it's in 4wd when you apply throttle. Well, for most of us. Most seem to be doing just fine in the snow, mud, sand, ice, rain, etc.

The ones that seem to have the issues are the ones setting up unrealistic scenarios by tying trucks to trees and proving you don't instantly get 4wd by idling on ice uphill with no throttle.

What it seems so far is normal amount of faulty units. Most seem to operate just fine.



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[baydog]

If it says 4 wheel lock and it's not locked, then that's the issue.

You get 4wd when it's in 4wd when you apply throttle. Well, for most of us. Most seem to be doing just fine in the snow, mud, sand, ice, rain, etc.

The ones that seem to have the issues are the ones setting up unrealistic scenarios by tying trucks to trees and proving you don't instantly get 4wd by idling on ice uphill with no throttle.

What it seems so far is normal amount of faulty units. Most seem to operate just fine.



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Wow, you must not really understand using a four wheel drive truck the way they have always been intended. Try backing a snowmobile trailer up a sloped snowy driveway with this crap system. As soon as power is applied the rear slips sideways and sets the trailer at an angle that is not in line with travel. Try pulling a heavy boat up a sandy ramp with front wheels on sure footing. The rears will spin into a hole forcing the operator to use far more throttle than would normally be necessary causing everything that is loose in the boat to toss all over the place. I could go on and on about how bad this system is. I think this is the best truck I have ever driven, and the worst. I'm gonna loose my ass going to a Raptor, but it's gonna have to happen

 

[powrsurg]

Yea, I should have got the outdoorsman. I test drove a power wagon today. Very nice truck but I like the 8 speed trans. I'll probably just put new shoes on it knowing my rock crawling days are over.

 

[7777xm]

Wow, you must not really understand using a four wheel drive truck the way they have always been intended. Try backing a snowmobile trailer up a sloped snowy driveway with this crap system. As soon as power is applied the rear slips sideways and sets the trailer at an angle that is not in line with travel. Try pulling a heavy boat up a sandy ramp with front wheels on sure footing. The rears will spin into a hole forcing the operator to use far more throttle than would normally be necessary causing everything that is loose in the boat to toss all over the place. I could go on and on about how bad this system is. I think this is the best truck I have ever driven, and the worst. I'm gonna loose my ass going to a Raptor, but it's gonna have to happen

Thanks for telling me what I understand. I had no clue. Before insulting ones intelligence, understand we are just discussing.

When other members just make up stats, like 10 % use their 4x4 in ways the rest don't is very misleading. We don't know this number. I'm just trying to keep an open mind. More people seem to not be having issues then those do.

You must have a faulty 44-44. Mine doesn't do this. In fact, there has been discussion on why some may have a longer delay for clutch engagement. Maybe yours has that problem.

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[powrsurg]

What I don't think you are getting is that busy just the shear presence of having that clutch creates a weaker system. Clutches will slip if stressed enough. A part time 4wd system won't slip. Ever

Imagine your front tire stuck in a rocky rut, which happens when offloading occasionally.in a part time 4wd system you would climb right out of it. In the full time system the front tire won't spin but the rear will. If the rear is in mud, you better be close to someone with a winch.