Hurricane durability questions?

[NCRaineman]

Give it some time. Mopar literally bet the farm on this engine, so they've got a big incentive to fix the bugs as they are found. I wouldn't trust any brand new design in early production. Jeep has had it in the Wagoneer for a year already, but the sales of those are so low I don't consider the sampling size to be significant. Wait till next year and see how it goes when a few hundred thousand of them are out there in Ram trucks.

 

[ramffml]

Mopar literally bet the farm on this engine

That doesn't really mean anything though. Did they go all in because they did a bunch of research and development and testing and this won conclusively on every criteria, or, did some half wit in Europe come down from on high and state thusly: no more v8's.

In other words, being forced into a bad decision doesn't change that its still a bad decision.

 

[NCRaineman]

That doesn't really mean anything though. Did they go all in because they did a bunch of research and development and testing and this won conclusively on every criteria, or, did some half wit in Europe come down from on high and state thusly: no more v8's.

In other words, being forced into a bad decision doesn't change that its still a bad decision.

If you'll read the second half of that sentence... it means they've got a lot of incentives to get it right. Hemi is outdated and not really competitive anymore. It will take them at least two years to rush a new V8 into production, and two years after that to see if the design is reliable. So for the foreseeable future Hurricane is what we've got. If it becomes another eco-DIEsel it will sink the company.

 

[Docwagon1776]

So for the foreseeable future Hurricane is what we've got. If it becomes another eco-DIEsel it will sink the company.

It's what THEY've got and if they can't get pricing under control and get a better product mix the company will sink regardless. Consumers still have a choice that's not Ram, so it's not our only choice unless you are just that brand loyal.

Tariffs are going to sting in the short term, too, at a time where it's tough for them to absorb extra costs. They need money for R&D and marketing and they have pretty limited pricing power right now. GM and Ford stock have both pulled back quite a bit over the past month (well, longer in Ford's case but some of that was their warranty costs) and a lot of that is concern over underlying costs of raw material and components.

I would not be completely surprised if Ram/Jeep/Dodge gets spun off or sold again in the next 5 years or so. Who's got the money and desire to own them and do right by them is the big question.

 

[NCRaineman]

What Tariffs? The ones with Mexico and Canada are on hold and will likely never materialize. Big Don got what he wanted just by threatening to use them.

 

[LOWRMPG]

Ok so both the Hurricane I6 engines, (SO & HO), have an aluminum deep-skirt blocks with Plasma Transfer Wire Arc (PTWA)-coated 3.31-inch cylinder bores.

Don't Chevy, Ford and most other manufacturers use the ductile iron liners in their performance vehicles?

(I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here but hope this scenario doesn't go down like the Chevrolet Vega's ill fated aluminum block engine without iron liners.)

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That said, I had entertained the thought of upgrading my low mile 2016 Longhorn but I think I'll sit this one out for a while.

Your thoughts?

Makes sense to wait if your a person that buys a vehicle once a decade. There will be plenty out with higher miles in 2-3 years, so you'll have a better sample size of real life vehicles.

 

[Six Turboed]

It has been said before many different times. The I6 Hurricane motor is NOT A NEW engine! This is the third year for this engine, it is the first year in the Ram. Y'all are aware that at least one of the engineers that built the 4Gen Hemi is one of the engineers that helped design the I6 Hurricane. This motor has been put thru its paces. It does not fry the oil, it is not necessary to change the oil every 2000 miles, and so far other than a couple here and there things and other than some computer mishaps the I6 is doing a right fine job in the New 2025 Ram pickups.

6 months in now and could not be more satisfied. If the motor blows up or it just spontaneously combusts here in the near future I might change my mind but for now these are nice trucks and mine does everything it is supposed to. I and my wife like our new truck. HA!!!

 

[Jimmy07]

Jeep has had it in the Wagoneer for a year already

Four model years, starting in the 2022’s.

 

[ramffml]

What Tariffs? The ones with Mexico and Canada are on hold and will likely never materialize. Big Don got what he wanted just by threatening to use them.

What exactly is it that you think Donald Duck got.

 

[mikeru]

What Tariffs? The ones with Mexico and Canada are on hold and will likely never materialize. Big Don got what he wanted just by threatening to use them.

What exactly is it that you think Donald Duck got.

I'm gonna stop you both right there. Don't let this evolve into politics.

 

[nlambert182]

The tariffs on steel and aluminum were signed today, so it could definitely impact car manufacturing since it also hits Canada and Mexico. We'll have to wait and see if concessions are made similar to the last time that pause them for Canada and Mexico. If not, prices are absolutely going up.

 

[Docwagon1776]

What Tariffs? The ones with Mexico and Canada are on hold and will likely never materialize. Big Don got what he wanted just by threatening to use them.

Steel and aluminum, mostly targeting Chinese producers.

The tariffs on steel and aluminum were signed today, so it could definitely impact car manufacturing since it also hits Canada and Mexico. We'll have to wait and see if concessions are made similar to the last time that pause them for Canada and Mexico. If not, prices are absolutely going up.

Canada and Mexico both had a carve out before, not sure if they will this time. News sources are conflicted on any exemptions at this point.

 

[coobie]

ANYONE ELSE GET TIRED OF ALL THE POLITICAL BULL CHIT POSTS? Good god I come here to talk trucks not politics ..

 

[NCRaineman]

ANYONE ELSE GET TIRED OF ALL THE POLITICAL BULL CHIT POSTS? Good god I come here to talk trucks not politics ..

Unfortunately politics colors everything these days. The decisions automakers are having regarding what to sell and where to build it are more motivated by politics than by consumer demand. Hurricane exists purely because of politics. Consumers want a V8, the government in all it's wisdom says we can't have it. Note the 6.4 Hemi is still available in 2500 and 3500 trucks, because the government doesn't regulate those as strictly as the 1500s.

 

[Docwagon1776]

ANYONE ELSE GET TIRED OF ALL THE POLITICAL BULL CHIT POSTS? Good god I come here to talk trucks not politics ..

Yes. But you can discuss the impact of tariffs on the health of automakers without getting political if people will just leave the political sniping out of it.

 

[Riccochet]

Unfortunately politics colors everything these days. The decisions automakers are having regarding what to sell and where to build it are more motivated by politics than by consumer demand. Hurricane exists purely because of politics. Consumers want a V8, the government in all it's wisdom says we can't have it. Note the 6.4 Hemi is still available in 2500 and 3500 trucks, because the government doesn't regulate those as strictly as the 1500s.

I don't think it's as simple as that. Ford and GM both offer V8 options in their 1/2 ton trucks, and cars, because they didn't go full retard. Where CDJR messed up was putting a Hemi in all the things. They were like Oprah handing out Hemi's to all the vehicles. It killed them, and the Hemi, in carbon credits. And here we are.

Is what it is at this point. I hope the I6-TT improves enough to be solidly reliable for the foreseeable future. What choice do we have? Unless Kuniskis pulls a rabbit out of his hat of tricks with modern V8 we're stuck with the I6 for at least the next few years.

 

[NCRaineman]

I don't think it's as simple as that. Ford and GM both offer V8 options in their 1/2 ton trucks, and cars...

Ford and GM V8s are newer designs than Hemi. They're more powerful for given displacement and cleaner burning. Hemi didn't even have direct injection, which makes a big difference in power and economy. Hemi is the equivalent of the LS2, which hit the market in 2005. It was well overdue for a major refresh anyways, but given the modern political climate the decision was made to end production and expand the global four cylinder design to six cylinders in order to create Hurricane.

 

[nlambert182]

ANYONE ELSE GET TIRED OF ALL THE POLITICAL BULL CHIT POSTS? Good god I come here to talk trucks not politics ..

Yes, but tariffs on steel and aluminum is not a political discussion, it is a discussion of how those tariffs could directly impact Ram and every other manufacturer.

 

[ericbsc]

I bought a new Jeep liberty to pull behind my bus. Four years and countless recalls later I traded it for a new 2015 ecodiesel 1500. The lot was full of them. Best seller ever. The greatest engine ever. Six months later not one anywhere. I asked my dealer why. Well we cant get them right now so many sold!! LIE LIE LIE!! Well 38k miles later I had to let it go. Codes , codes, codes, problems galore!! Lost my a** on the trade. I now have a 2023 1500. Would love a 2025 longhorn limited. BUT the salesman said BEST ENGINE EVER!!!lol I WILL PROBABLY WAIT A WHILE!

 

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

Four model years, starting in the 2022’s.

First Hurricane 2025 in a pickup truck towing medium or heavy payload, first 3 years didn't count they were in grocery getters, this engine is a major disappointment to me already and we're just getting started remember FIAT designed this engine, all or most of the engineers got laid off, customer support is in India, Pakistan for cheaper labor.