New electric Ram

[Evguy1]

And, the idea of doing a 3000 mile hell-run across the country would never be on my radar. I'd just fly.

LOL, this is where I get to admit my fear of the unknowen and change. In 62 years I have never been in an airplane (off the ground) and now figure why tempt fate.

 

[Evguy1]

There is an intangible here on the thread that is being overlooked....... and that’s the joy and passion from driving a gas / diesel . Aka: Smiles per miles

Now this I can relate to. My Cummins powered Dakota (with the big C decal in the back window) Was a huge attention getter, my daughter called them "fan boys". When I sold it and stuck the Cummins in my 1500 it was no longer "special" because people just thought it was a 2500, no more "fan boys". I still get the smile just knowing its different.
BUT, I also get the same smile driving the EV when I kick some punks ass (last night) who thinks he is going to beat that EV to the next light. ;>)

 

[Mrbyh20]

Does anyone give consideration as to what it takes to make all the crap. Fossil fuel is about in every product that made in some shape or form. So after the “no fossil” rule comes to full speed what’s the solar panels, wire, etc going to be made. Hell the current President has us almost to this point already in many ways.

Just my two cents. I’ll stick to my gas truck.

 

[mcarey]

Good write up.

There is an intangible here on the thread that is being overlooked....... and that’s the joy and passion from driving a gas / diesel . Aka: Smiles per miles.

Thanks.

I will say that of all my vehicles, I definitely did get some serious kicks downshifting my Subaru and hearing it burble and pop and whatnot. I never got to see the flames, but apparently some of my friends had.

With that said, my boss took me for a ride in his 100D Model X I have never in my life felt the feelings I felt when he floored that thing. The windshield made you feel like you were in a helicopter, or bubble, or something which was pretty cool but the relentless power it made was something else. It was actually disorienting. And the silence made it feel that much stranger.

 

[Socalramfan]

Does anyone give consideration as to what it takes to make all the crap. Fossil fuel is about in every product that made in some shape or form. So after the “no fossil” rule comes to full speed what’s the solar panels, wire, etc going to be made. Hell the current President has us almost to this point already in many ways.

Just my two cents. I’ll stick to my gas truck.

Pixie dust

 

[Socalramfan]

Thanks.

I will say that of all my vehicles, I definitely did get some serious kicks downshifting my Subaru and hearing it burble and pop and whatnot. I never got to see the flames, but apparently some of my friends had.

With that said, my boss took me for a ride in his 100D Model X I have never in my life felt the feelings I felt when he floored that thing. The windshield made you feel like you were in a helicopter, or bubble, or something which was pretty cool but the relentless power it made was something else. It was actually disorienting. And the silence made it feel that much stranger.

It is impressive, but my work truck (so to say) puts out 85,000 lbs/ ****** EACH...... and routinely clocks over 500+mph, everything else is ehhh ok.

 

[mcarey]

It is impressive, but my work truck (so to say) puts out 85,000 lbs/ ****** EACH...... and routinely clocks over 500+mph, everything else is ehhh ok.

What do you fly?

 

[GTyankee]

The reason that i chose 3,000 miles is almost every year i drive from San Diego to Waterbury Ct.
The distance the way i go is actually 2900 miles
It does take 4 1/2 days & i stop for fuel when i need to wet my tires so to speak, my Ram will go more than 650 per tank & i stop about every 200 miles

We all know that my not allowing charging stations at motels is not a reality

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About the amount of power/Volts
At my apartment, i have a attached garage, when the whole building refurbished, i asked the electrician to move a 230V from inside the apartment to out in the garage, so that i could run my 60 gallon Air Compressor.
At that time, we discussed costs between 115 & 230 volts
at that time i am pretty sure that 230 volts was more cost friendly

 

[mcarey]

About the amount of power/Volts
At my apartment, i have a attached garage, when the whole building refurbished, i asked the electrician to move a 230V from inside the apartment to out in the garage, so that i could run my 60 gallon Air Compressor.
At that time, we discussed costs between 115 & 230 volts
at that time i am pretty sure that 230 volts was more cost friendly

It shouldn't have been, strictly from an electrical consumption view point. You get billed by kW/h. I'd bet your compressor, assuming it is dual voltage, will have a sticker that'll contain some info similar to this:

VOLTS: 115/230
AMPS: 15.0/7.5

To figure out the wattage:
115 x 15 = 1725 watts
230 x 7.5 = 1725 watts

So if you were to run either one for an hour, or 100 hours, you'd net the same expense either way since they are utilizing the same wattage.

I would have went 230 as well though. It's better for your equipment - which I suppose could be more cost friendly down the road.

 

[tones2SS]

You lost me at electric. lol
No thanks.

 

[TWILLIAMS9]

A lot of tinfoil hats and people afraid of change in here. Sorry to break it to y’all but change always happens. Whether you like it or not.

 

[Socalramfan]

What do you fly?

75/76

 

[Socalramfan]

It is impressive, but my work truck (so to say) puts out 85,000 lbs/ ****** EACH...... and routinely clocks over 500+mph, everything else is ehhh ok.

Oh come on...... ****** ( thrusssst) is a measurement of propulsion, and that’s how it was used.

id expect that from Facebook..... not from a forum which begins its name with ‘RAM’.

 

[Fatbob Frank]

We have 1 electric charging station in a 4 county area and that's at the local Rural Electric company where my wife works cause they just bought a Tesla.
This won't be coming to Iowa any time soon...

 

[Mister Luck]

If it was a fuel cell or removable battery packs you wouldn’t have to wait at a charging station you could just have someone change out your battery packs
think of the commerce it would create
If engineers designed these things instead of bureaucrats and pencil pushers we’d be somewhere with this technology.

We need laws that encourage co-operation between the corporate structure
not just one company buying all the rest
after the second ww we made other countries corporations co-operate because our leaders and military knew without co-operative structure there is no success
but with that everything does not need to be non competitive but at this time corporations need to be.


Remember the photovoltaic arrays?
get solar power? yeah that became a monopoly too.. on one could buy the hardware without going through a centralized company it ruined it for the individual and made it only for the corporations… all trades are going to go that way unless we train more people or start letting our friends know what we know how to do it ourselves.

 

[RAM432]

I haven't read through the entire comment section but what I did see is the typical internet response to electric vehicles. Too many are looking at incoming EV options as an all-or-nothing approach.

No, gas vehicles aren't going anywhere any time soon. Yes, the network for charging EVs isn't ready yet, nor should you expect it to be when less than 3% of US auto sales consists of fully electric vehicles. No, charging your EV does not "triple" your electricity bill for normal use drivers. No, you can't really expect to travel long distances as fast as gas vehicles, nor should you expect to at this stage.

EVs have a long way to go, have to start somewhere. If an EV doesn't do what you're wanting, then stick with gas, nobody is stopping you. Come back in 20 years and I could say the same thing, the infrastructure for fuel isn't just going to go away overnight. I'd be willing to guarantee that you're going to get pissed off at not being able to drive your own car before you will from not being able to buy a gas vehicle anymore.

EDIT: As far as a comment on the RAM EV, these initial renderings are ugly. I think Tesla has been very successful because their EVs look like normal, sporty cars. I think if manufacturers stick with a normal look for their EVs, they'll be fine, but generally they get too ugly or futuristic, which doesn't appeal to a mass market.

 

[mcarey]

We have 1 electric charging station in a 4 county area and that's at the local Rural Electric company where my wife works cause they just bought a Tesla.
This won't be coming to Iowa any time soon...

Iowa actually has way more chargers across the state than I expected, looking at plugshare.com. Looks like there should be 3 very closely in or around Mc Gregor, with quite a few more in towns not too far away. I can imagine getting public buy-in in extremely rural areas will definitely take a lot more time though.

It's an interesting concept really. If you aren't in an area with a lot of thru-traffic, including anything between commuting or just road travel, it's almost not necessary to have public chargers at all. You drive in to nearest bigger city, and you can likely charge. You drive back out to the sticks, and you can charge at your house as normal. It's essentially the inverse of why you see so many chargers in cities.

 

[mcarey]

If it was a fuel cell or removable battery packs you wouldn’t have to wait at a charging station you could just have someone change out your battery packs
think of the commerce it would create

I've often thought about this idea. It'd be pretty rad to pull into a jiffy-lube like location, and a pit crew just swaps your battery and you go. But there are a few pretty massive problems with the concept at large.

The biggest one being that these batteries are quite simple pretty damn large. They typically weigh ~1000lbs plus/minus depending on the capacity. Just moving those around is no easy feat. They are also not really just an easy plug and play installation since they have to be protected and whatnot. And I'd imagine they are fragile to some degree.

There is also the issue of having a facility capable of storing all of these. Beyond the size and weight, they are all different shapes too. So you'd need a place that would have a pretty expansive inventory of these batteries, because you'd ideally want to cover all the manufacturers and subsequent models that may show up. It'd have to be a rather big warehouse just for the storage half of the equation. I think you'd struggle to have these facilities conveniently placed everywhere, if it was even possible to quickly drop and swap them in the first place.

And then as great as it sounds, I'd still imagine that by the time you got into a bay, some fancy mechanism went and picked your battery, brought it to you, you got it swapped, etc. it'd really not be nearly as fast as one would expect. I mean, think about how long a generic oil change typically takes, and we have had purpose built facilities doing this for decades now. At best, I think it'd be sixes compared to the quick charging tech we currently have - without all the added complexity mentioned above - but likely longer.

I'm sure there are even more issues with the concept if you think about it more too. Maybe one day there will be a set of battery standards across all vehicles that makes this slightly more feasible, but I've got to imagine that increasing charging rates will almost always win out in time and ease.

 

[Evguy1]

Battery swapping has been around for decades and tried a number of times. There is a cool video online of a new automated Tesla swap system and they have a timed comparison between filling a gas car and swapping a battery pack. They swap two Tesla packs before the gas car is finished filling. One of the big issues is who owns the battery packs and who maintains them. You pull in and get a pack that has 200,000 miles on it and trade for your brand new one? Fast charging tech is getting better every year, I read the other day where someone is charging to 90% in 5 minutes. You need a LOT of power to dump that quickly so they must do some sort of onsite storage?
Here is the video:

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[turkeybird56]

San Diego County wanted a fuel tax of 4 cents per mile
They had not figured out how to know if you were to drive into Mexico, or into the next County, which would be Imperial County, Riverside County & Orange County.
Would they do it on the Honor System or make you buy a high dollar GPS machine to install in your vehicle.
It was shot down, but you can bet that they will force something down our throats.

By the way, in California we pay a State & Federal Fuel Tax

• The federal government charges an excise tax of 18.4 cents per gallon. ( this tax is suppose to go to the Interstate Highway System on a Federal Highway mileage scale )

California State Fuel Tax
Californians pay 79.6 cents per gallon in State gas taxes.

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SUH, that is the Blessing of living in California, condolences available if needed.

ADDED: No EV for this BOIRD, not sustainable, heck they have enuf problems keeping the lights on now with all the "green" ideas. My thought would be hydrogen cell vehicles, but that definitely a bit down the road.