Oil analysis on truck I just bought

[v33sonata]

You have a pcv,it's on the back upper passenger side of the intake manifold.You twist it to remove,and if it's never been removed,it might be a b!atch to twist and tug out of the manifold.They aren't cheap,but for the most part can be cleaned with brakeclean and re-used.
While you're at it,and working around the intake,check the 10 bolts that hold it on,as they're famous for losing torque.
The torque sequence is in this thread

Check your intake manifold bolts

This hasn't been talked about for awhile,but check your intake manifold bolts.They call for 108 in-lbs or roughly 9 ft-lbs of torque,and they should be checked at least yearly,as they do loosen up. I've been doing mine at least twice a year on all 3 of of my hemi equipped vehicles.They should be...

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Awesome! I'll check out the torque specs. As for the PCV, the 21 6.4 doesn't have one. I actually ordered one with all the parts for my tune-up and that's when I found out there isn't one. It uses something else I've never heard of before.

 

[Wild one]

Awesome! I'll check out the torque specs. As for the PCV, the 21 6.4 doesn't have one. I actually ordered one with all the parts for my tune-up and that's when I found out there isn't one. It uses something else I've never heard of before.

My mistake i forgot you had a 6.4,it uses an internal pcv

 

[v33sonata]

My mistake i forgot you had a 6.4,it uses an internal pcv

No worries I appreciate the input

 

[v33sonata]

You said you were using oil, the main cause of using oil is rings, either poor tolerances from day one or carbon build up creating a gap. A lubrication strategy to slow this is to go with a higher hths oil. As far as bg44, it isn't even a PEA product, I wouldn't expect that would clean burn chamber or rings at all. The forum has done a lot of work in this area, so the product of this work is just helpful suggestions. I also posted a link on two known PEA treatments si-1 versus techron, so give that a look if you haven't yet. It is about how effective a solvent can be versus a detergent as in PEA, when it comes to being diluted with many gallons of fuel. PEA is known as the only real solution for this unless you change the delivery system. An example is sea foam, it can be as effective as redline si-1 or many bottles of techron because of the process, as in solvent put onto pistons tops at 100% when you run it through vac lines. Peace

Just for clarification bg44k does have PEA

 

[Curmudgeon]

Quick read with mentions and SDS for BG44k and Red Line SI-1 over at Bob-O.
The SDS is older than 1 month (actually 2 years) so anything could have changed in that length of time.

Just posting what I found via Giggle-search. I can't even find an SDS for my breakfast cereal.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/bg-44k-fuel-additive.380405/

 

[Burla]

PEA = Polyetheramine and it has to be in SDS and the % does as well, so it is very easy to find the products with the most % PEA by the % range. The other consideration is the carrier oil or liquid that delivers it. However, if that name isn't in SDS, it doesn't have any PEA. Plus, products with low % PEA have probably a 1% chance of doing anything. The good news if you like the techron/redline si-1 thread and you don't for some reason want to run si-1, you can see techron does also do something, just less. So in theory just add more to boost up % you can likely replace the results you would get from redline si-1. How many bottles it would take, I dunno but a good guess might be 4 techron bottles.

 

[Burla]

Quick read with mentions and SDS for BG44k and Red Line SI-1 over at Bob-O.
The SDS is older than 1 month (actually 2 years) so anything could have changed in that length of time.

Just posting what I found via Giggle-search. I can't even find an SDS for my breakfast cereal.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/bg-44k-fuel-additive.380405/

The bg website SDS is a little different but the same result as far as = no PEA. bg44k is basically adding a cleaning solvent, naptha and Stoddard, to a cleaning solvent as in gas. Thanks for posting.

 

[Curmudgeon]

The bg website SDS is a little different but the same result as far as = no PEA. bg44k is basically adding a cleaning solvent, naptha and Stoddard, to a cleaning solvent as in gas. Thanks for posting.

Thanks. You couldn't pry me away from SI-1 and I've learned I can trust the RamForum brain trust. Too many times ol' Bob seems to be all over the map.

 

[v33sonata]

PEA = Polyetheramine and it has to be in SDS and the % does as well, so it is very easy to find the products with the most % PEA by the % range. The other consideration is the carrier oil or liquid that delivers it. However, if that name isn't in SDS, it doesn't have any PEA. Plus, products with low % PEA have probably a 1% chance of doing anything. The good news if you like the techron/redline si-1 thread and you don't for some reason want to run si-1, you can see techron does also do something, just less. So in theory just add more to boost up % you can likely replace the results you would get from redline si-1. How many bottles it would take, I dunno but a good guess might be 4 techron bottles

Last I heard percentages don't have to be on the SDS because that's usually proprietary. Here's the sds on bg44k

 

[v33sonata]

Thanks. You couldn't pry me away from SI-1 and I've learned I can trust the RamForum brain trust. Too many times ol' Bob seems to be all over the map.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet lol. Either way I'm sure the redline is fine as well

 

[Burla]

Last I heard percentages don't have to be on the SDS because that's usually proprietary. Here's the sds on bg44k

Thanks, interesting as the other two examples show no PEA, even the current SDS from bg. But with PEA or w/o PEA where the rubber meets the road is like having 4 boroscopes from different sources all show before and after with redline si-1 as proven in si-1 thread, one of those were a RAM member other were other sources. I certainly hope they do have a boroscope on bg44k piston tops after a gas tank run, as I would love to have options to the body of knowledge we currently have. We have posted many tests from many different products, all but two would be a fail, and techron while I don't necessarily call it a fail, it needs a lot to do the same thing as si-1. Most products chrix fix boroscopes had PEA like gum out, just a low %, and his results on every product he tested was all products failed except sea foam through vac lines, which is less about product and more about how it is delivered to piston tops. Boroscopes are the tool that tells the tail, either the piston tops near the rings go clean or they don't. Not words but pictures or video on pistons tops after.

 

[Burla]

Don't believe everything you read on the internet lol. Either way I'm sure the redline is fine as well

GMT nation does have a bg44k boroscoped that shows cleaning, very impressive. More work needs to be done, but appears promising. Cleaning is at rings same as redline, cool stuff. First time I seen anything close to si-1. I see he did also use other products, but bg44k was one of them, GM top end cleaner another.

 

[Burla]

This guy ran 8 cleaners, lol. It worked.

Wynns Catalyc&Oxigen cleaner
KYK 63-017
Oilsyn PEA doctor
Texaco Techron 2 pcs in one tank
Bg 44k
Texaco Techron again
Xado MultiCleaner
Redline SL-1

 

[v33sonata]

This guy ran 8 cleaners, lol. It worked.

Wynns Catalyc&Oxigen cleaner
KYK 63-017
Oilsyn PEA doctor
Texaco Techron 2 pcs in one tank
Bg 44k
Texaco Techron again
Xado MultiCleaner
Redline SL-1

At the very least this is all interesting stuff.

 

[Wild one]

At the very least this is all interesting stuff.

Then there's the old school trick of spraying water into the intake when the engines hot and running at roughly 2500 rpm.
The best cleaner is to pull the heads and manually clean the pistons and combustion chambers
With a bit of work you can install a catch can , aka air/oil seperator on a 6.4,but it's a bit more difficult then it is to install on a 5.7.