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I have a few questions. I hope someone can answer please.

1) What is the best place to hook a tow strap on my 1500 Sport? Trailer hitch? I would be using it to tow fallen trees or cars stuck in the ditch or snow.....nothing major.

2) Anyone know of a good online site that carries towing accessories for reasonable prices? Have u ever heard of someone having a product that attaches to your trailer hitch and has a tow ring or something of that nature?

Thank you for any helpful info.
 
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I bought mine on ebay for $75 but I can't find them anywhere close to that now. I should have bought more and resold them!

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Check out Princess Auto (Princess Auto). The closest to you seem to be Langley & Coquitlam, but they have a good selection of tow products including straps & various draw bars (not to mention other random, cool stuff).
 

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Thanks for the info. Pretty expensive for a tow rope imo.

That's because it IS NOT A TOW ROPE !!!

it is a recovery strap....not the same thing at all.

Rope can be bought easily, but a strap that has the necessary give and stretch to avoid breaking stuff but still be able to extract the stuck vehicle is not cheap.

May as well use chain, it's cheap too.......but it will probably break more than you save the 1st time you use it.

And if you are gonna be snatching with it, you need a strap that is rated at least 6x the weight of your vehicle to be safe, which adds even more to the cost.
 
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That's because it IS NOT A TOW ROPE !!!

it is a recovery strap....not the same thing at all.

Rope can be bought easily, but a strap that has the necessary give and stretch to avoid breaking stuff but still be able to extract the stuck vehicle is not cheap.

May as well use chain, it's cheap too.......but it will probably break more than you save the 1st time you use it.

THE Masterpull is a rope.....actually it is made of multiple ropes that stretch. They recommend 3x your vehicle weight. They also recommend not using a recovery rope that is too big because it will not provide the proper kinetic energy transfer to the vehicle. You won't get enough bounce. They are also crap once you get the first knick or tear one of the threads. Anything used for towing can break and cause damage no matter what is used. The purpose of the stretching isn't to avoid breaking things lmao. Its to create more engery. Its like a big rubber band. If that big rubber band breaks it will cause damage because the projectile will be travelling a hell of a lot faster.

I can't tell if you are being a smart ass or you meant well. Either way, try not to post wrong information. It could lead somebody down the wrong path and we don't want that. I appreciate your participation in this thread even though it was useless information :)
 

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Any type of recovery is dangerous. If you are ever in doubt, don't attempt it. Recovery gear is not something you want to go cheap on. Use the right equipment or leave it up to the professionals...

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THE Masterpull is a rope.....actually it is made of multiple ropes that stretch. They recommend 3x your vehicle weight. They also recommend not using a recovery rope that is too big because it will not provide the proper kinetic energy transfer to the vehicle. You won't get enough bounce. They are also crap once you get the first knick or tear one of the threads. Anything used for towing can break and cause damage no matter what is used. The purpose of the stretching isn't to avoid breaking things lmao. Its to create more engery. Its like a big rubber band. If that big rubber band breaks it will cause damage because the projectile will be travelling a hell of a lot faster.

I can't tell if you are being a smart ass or you meant well. Either way, try not to post wrong information. It could lead somebody down the wrong path and we don't want that. I appreciate your participation in this thread even though it was useless information :)

Wow...well, let's see, I have been 4 wheeling and using recovery straps/winches/etc for over 30 yrs........nothing I said is wrong or useless, and no, I was not trying to be a smart ass. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it is wrong.

I said it was not a tow rope, which is what you called it - well, you said "expensive tow rope", and I am correct in that aspect.

I said rope does not have the stretch and give needed for a recovery, and I was correct in that aspect.

I said if you use chain, it will cost you more than you saved when it breaks something the 1st time you use it, and I was correct in that aspect.

So...how was my info wrong ??? None of what you quoted was wrong, but I have since discovered that the manufacturers of the recovery straps are now saying 2-3x the vehicle weight instead of 5-6x like they did when I was buying them. Guess they have had too many complaints of the straps damaging the wimpy stock tow hooks they put on trucks now-a-days.

And as for the rope vs strap, they can call it what they want, but rope doesn't stretch up to 20% like a recovery strap does. Maybe they call it rope because it is round, and not flat, or because it is made of many 'ropes' twisted together.

Yes, the main reason for it stretching is to allow the build up kinetic energy, but an inherent benefit of that same property is that there is no sudden stress/stop when it is 'stretched out' like with chain, and yes, even rope.

When I bought my first WARN snatch strap back in 1982 (and several since then), the method used to determine the required rating for your vehicle (by WARN and all other manufacturers) was the weight of your vehicle x6, due to the amplifying effect the stretching and pull back has on the dynamic weight of the vehicle trying to accomplish the extraction. So, for my Toyota SR5 4x4, I needed a 30k strap. IE, the maximum force on the strap at full stretch can be up to 6x the weight of the vehicle doing the snatching.

I will still go by what has worked for me for over 30 yrs....and that is a 30k-36k strap. I have seen smaller straps break when being used properly because they were not rated high enough for the vehicles being used.

I do agree, having one too big can also be a detriment, but I have yet to have any issues with mine, and I have always had a 30k-36k strap, depending on what I was driving at the time. For a jeep, I'd drop to 24k, but no lower.

The reason you put a rag or jacket or something around the strap mid way is to STOP the 'rubber band effect' you mention if it should break so people don't get hurt. The jacket acts like a parachute to slow the strap and dissipate the energy.

You should also never use a shackle or chain to attach a recovery strap to a vehicle, becasue if it comes loose, it will becomea projectile that can kill. I once saw a chain that was put on the end of a snatch strap take the carb off the engine after going thru the hood once when the chain slipped off the hook.

You should not use a recovery strap for towing, as it has too much stretch to be used safely.

I have not had any real problems with nicks or small cuts in the strap. They still work just fine, but you DO have to inspect it after every use just like you should a winch cable.
 
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Wow...well, let's see, I have been 4 wheeling and using recovery straps/winches/etc for over 30 yrs........nothing I said is wrong or useless, and no, I was not trying to be a smart ass. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it is wrong.

I said it was not a tow rope, which is what you called it - well, you said "expensive tow rope", and I am correct in that aspect.

I said rope does not have the stretch and give needed for a recovery, and I was correct in that aspect.

I said if you use chain, it will cost you more than you saved when it breaks something the 1st time you use it, and I was correct in that aspect.

So...how was my info wrong ??? None of what you quoted was wrong, but I have since discovered that the manufacturers of the recovery straps are now saying 2-3x the vehicle weight instead of 5-6x like they did when I was buying them. Guess they have had too many complaints of the straps damaging the wimpy stock tow hooks they put on trucks now-a-days.

And as for the rope vs strap, they can call it what they want, but rope doesn't stretch up to 20% like a recovery strap does. Maybe they call it rope because it is round, and not flat, or because it is made of many 'ropes' twisted together.

Yes, the main reason for it stretching is to allow the build up kinetic energy, but an inherent benefit of that same property is that there is no sudden stress/stop when it is 'stretched out' like with chain, and yes, even rope.

When I bought my first WARN snatch strap back in 1982 (and several since then), the method used to determine the required rating for your vehicle (by WARN and all other manufacturers) was the weight of your vehicle x6, due to the amplifying effect the stretching and pull back has on the dynamic weight of the vehicle trying to accomplish the extraction. So, for my Toyota SR5 4x4, I needed a 30k strap. IE, the maximum force on the strap at full stretch can be up to 6x the weight of the vehicle doing the snatching.

I will still go by what has worked for me for over 30 yrs....and that is a 30k-36k strap. I have seen smaller straps break when being used properly because they were not rated high enough for the vehicles being used.

I do agree, having one too big can also be a detriment, but I have yet to have any issues with mine, and I have always had a 30k-36k strap, depending on what I was driving at the time. For a jeep, I'd drop to 24k, but no lower.

The reason you put a rag or jacket or something around the strap mid way is to STOP the 'rubber band effect' you mention if it should break so people don't get hurt. The jacket acts like a parachute to slow the strap and dissipate the energy.

You should also never use a shackle or chain to attach a recovery strap to a vehicle, becasue if it comes loose, it will becomea projectile that can kill. I once saw a chain that was put on the end of a snatch strap take the carb off the engine after going thru the hood once when the chain slipped off the hook.

You should not use a recovery strap for towing, as it has too much stretch to be used safely.

I have not had any real problems with nicks or small cuts in the strap. They still work just fine, but you DO have to inspect it after every use just like you should a winch cable.

Thank you for sharing that info and your experience.

I don't do a lot of off roading in my truck yet except logging roads for hunting and fishing spots.I have only put 2500 miles on it so I'm taking it easy still lol. It does occasionally snow up here though and I'm thinking of getting a recovery strap/rope just in case. I also want to be able to pull fallen trees for firewood. I wouldn't be pulling them much more then 30ft. I wouldn't use something like that for dragging trees though. It would be ruined first use. I will probably get a recovery strap/rope and keep it in the truck just in case. Better to be prepared. For pulling trees I geuss anything that has decent strength would suffice.
 

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Thank you for sharing that info and your experience.

I don't do a lot of off roading in my truck yet except logging roads for hunting and fishing spots.I have only put 2500 miles on it so I'm taking it easy still lol. It does occasionally snow up here though and I'm thinking of getting a recovery strap/rope just in case. I also want to be able to pull fallen trees for firewood. I wouldn't be pulling them much more then 30ft. I wouldn't use something like that for dragging trees though. It would be ruined first use. I will probably get a recovery strap/rope and keep it in the truck just in case. Better to be prepared. For pulling trees I geuss anything that has decent strength would suffice.

For moving trees for firewood, I have always used a chain, preferable one with a choker loop on one end, so it tightens around the tree/wood as you pull.

You will destroy a rope or strap quickly pulling firewood around, and as long as you don't get crazy, you won't hurt anything using a chain and you for sure won't wear it out.
 

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what kind of recovery shackle are you guys using.
 

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For moving trees for firewood, I have always used a chain, preferable one with a choker loop on one end, so it tightens around the tree/wood as you pull.


+1 it's the only way to haul trees out, in my opinion.

For getting cars out of ditches I use a 15' 12,000 lb strap. If I can't get them out with minimal effort, I have them call a tow truck. I don't want to damage my **** or theirs just trying to be nice.

+1 on Princess Auto for this kind of stuff.
 
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