Sorry.. Another quick "will this work" question..

[DatacomGuy]

We have identified the floorplan/TT we want.. however, weighs in at 7900lbs dry. 31FT.

My 1500, 3.55, 2wd will not pull this..

..However, could a 1500, 3.92, 4x4 pull this? or is it still too heavy? I want a 2500. Just not sure if i can find one that makes sense yet. I can get a new 2014 with these specs cheaper than a used 2500, so may have to go that route.

 

[h2oman]

Just not a good idea. 7900 dry?. Then clothes, water, food, firewood, and people. Now you're 10000#.

 

[WulfGang]

I have an 06 4x4, QC, HEMI, 3.92 with a Diablo Sport T1000 tuner.
Everything else is stock.

Let me simply say here, that I wish I had more truck.
And it's not just a fanciful wish. It's a 5 hour mostly white knuckle on a windy day wish.

I have a thread in the 3rd GEN "TOWING/HAULING" forum if you want to read more.

I'd suggest minimum a 2500.
The newer HEMI have more HP IIRC but in mine, its "OK".
It would def benefit from having a Diesel.

 

[loveracing1988]

It might be barely within the tow rating but even then your pulling a 31' camper with a truck at its max. Even with a anti sway hitch and the anti sway software in the truck your not going to like it when a semi passes you.

 

[DatacomGuy]

Thats what i thought, but figured id ask.

Im struggling at finding an easy way to determine my max.. And maybe the max of the 2014 i mentioned above. Confuses the hell out of me.

 

[WulfGang]

Thats what i thought, but figured id ask.

Im struggling at finding an easy way to determine my max.. And maybe the max of the 2014 i mentioned above. Confuses the hell out of me.

See, that's just it though...

According to the numbers, if I'm not mistaking, I'm "good by the numbers".

However, in the real world, it just doesn't feel as "good" as the numbers make it sound. If I'm making any sense...?

I'm sayin, you may be good on the numbers but when you're out on the road (maybe with a wife/kids with ya?) and a gust of wind hits ya and you're doing 60mph it's not a good feeling...

I would GUESS that, IMO, a person should not tow more than 2/3rds of what their "max" is. (when you find it )

I found several resources outlining the tow ratings for trucks while researching for mine. Unfortunately, I cannot recall the way to those resources after determining mine.

From you're thread, I'm feeling, that it won't do me any good to upgrade to a 4th GEN 1500. It seems it's the quarter ton fault.
It seems to effectively combat these obstacles is to go with minimum a 2500 series.

$45K for the one I built online last night

yeah... that's probably a no-go

 

[smurfs_of_war]

Its not too heavy to pull its too heavy and long to carry, stop, and control. Long is one thing. Heavy is one thing. Long and heavy with a huge frontal and side area is a whole different animal. You could be pushing close to 1300lbs on the tongue which is more than your class IV is rated for, and you may "get by" for years with only white knuckles, or it may *** you up in the ditch first trip out or peel your receiver apart on a bumpy road.

I've pulled some ugly **** before- I wouldn't try that with a half ton personally. Not enough in front of that trailer. 2500 time

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[Bluesmoke91]

3rd gen Cummins for sure. Rather be safe than sorry

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[audio1der]

a) what is the tongue weight of the trailer you're looking at? Payload is as much a limiting factor as anything.
b) is it 31' of living space, or bumper to ball?

If it is 31' of living space, that's too much trailer for a half ton. It presents SO much side area to wind, passing trucks etc, that the tail will wag the dog. I'm selling the $900 Reese dual cam hitch I bought, for a $3K Propride to try and control my 32' trailer that is lighter (7K loaded) than the one you're eying.

About the payload, don't forget all people, gear in the truck add to the tongue weight of the trailer; and the advertised weight may or may not include battery/ies, propane, and a full load of clothes, gear, food and camping crap. It adds up fast and we have precious little to work with.

As someone who ended up with too much trailer, I can tell you it's not great.

 

[DatacomGuy]

Definitely great points. Wishing i had a better setup. Grr.

 

[DatacomGuy]

How much length should i be looking at? I foubd a floorplan i like, however its 35ft hitch back. 5900#.. Towable?

 

[smurfs_of_war]

How much length should i be looking at? I foubd a floorplan i like, however its 35ft hitch back. 5900#.. Towable?

There's an old school method to give you a starting point. Wheelbase inches divided by 5 gives you trailer length in feet. I used it and found our trailer to be an extremely comfortable tow. Some guys say it's junk, I find it fairly accurate. If you have the 140" wheelbase like I do, you may not be happy with the number, but with a 140" wheelbase I figure you'll be unhappier with a 30+ foot land yacht in tow. Shorter wheelbase vehicles have a tough time controlling that kind of length.

Personally, can't imagine trying to maneuver a trailer that long (35') around a campsite if it's not a 5th wheel. That would suck.

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[DatacomGuy]

28ft.. Ouch...

I need a new truck

Does that number apply to box only, or hitch back?

Its 31ft box.. 35ft complete.

 

[smurfs_of_war]

28ft.. Ouch...

I need a new truck

That's not carved in stone man. It's just a comfort guage. A lot depends on experience and equipment. I was in the same boat- and after a LOT of searching we found our 26' that has enough sleeping capacity for all 5 of us plus friends and has a fully loaded GVWR of 5900lbs. They do exist

I honestly don't know if it is box only or not since it's just a guessing tool. I'd say box.

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[mowin]

Its not the length or what the truck can pull, as much as whats the payload of your truck.
If the payload of your truck is , just tossin #'s out here, 1500 lbs, you need to add the tongue weight of the trailer all gear and passengers in the truck , weight distribution hitch , and subtract that # from the 1500 payload. So lets say all that adds up to 1800 lbs, your 300 lbs over on your axle. Time for a new truck or smaller trailer

Go to rv.net and read for days on towing set ups. Good luck and have fun camping!

 

[smurfs_of_war]

So lets say all that adds up to 1800 lbs, your 300 lbs over on your axle.

That's not necessarily true. I am over payload with my TT hooked and ready, but under rear and front axles. Payload on these trucks is 1000lbs less than axle combined, and a properly set WDH will migrate some weight off the rear axle to the trailer axle and steering axle. But I digress, the remainder of your post is accurate. If you put any consideration into the payload rating, that'll bite you before anything else.

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[mowin]

That's not necessarily true. I am over payload with my TT hooked and ready, but under rear and front axles. Payload on these trucks is 1000lbs less than axle combined, and a properly set WDH will migrate some weight off the rear axle to the trailer axle and steering axle. But I digress, the remainder of your post is accurate. If you put any consideration into the payload rating, that'll bite you before anything else.

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You are correct, I was simplifying it somewhat. But payload is usually overlooked when figuring tow capacity, and with 1/2 tons, you usually run out of payload quick.

 

[smurfs_of_war]

You are correct, I was simplifying it somewhat. But payload is usually overlooked when figuring tow capacity, and with 1/2 tons, you usually run out of payload quick.

Really REALLY quick

I get what you're saying now.

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[WulfGang]

It's a pretty rotten feeling to come to the conclusion (too late!) that the brand spankin new TT you just bought One does not have enough truck for!

grrr

It's like an ulcer. In the pit of my stomach. Day after day. And I'm stuck with my truck for a couple more years most likely. Spent all my extra $ on the trailer, equipment, etc so I have no down payment for a new truck.

 

[DatacomGuy]

I havent bought yet, but wishing i had a different truck. Fopund a good deal on a 3G cummins but wife dislikes the 75k miles on it, and no matter how much i backup the claim of longevity, shes not biting.. So im stuck settling on the TT.