Synthetic Oil

[Burla]

paypal banned me after i made 5g's on ebay. they wanted my ssn, so boot that. someone with paypal would be good.

 

[MontanaHandyman]

Soon I will forget how many decades it has been since my truck ticked.

Well...let's just hope that's the result of a simple memory lapse and not "old timers"!!

 

[MontanaHandyman]

where are my hemi tick testers at? The forum should send hemi395 100 bucks paypalled and encourage him to try 0w30 hpl. That test would straight be gold, either way. Mind you he just posted favorable test 0w40 amsoil after his 0w30 redline. Before we replace 0w30 redline, lets at least have something that works? 0w30 super car, someone with proven hemi tick needs to give it a shot.

If you guys wanna buy my next oil change, I'm all in...I don't have the tick, but still.....

 

[HEMIMANN]

If you guys wanna buy my next oil change, I'm all in...I don't have the tick, but still.....

Nope gotta be a validated ticker, sorry.

And trust me - you don't want it. The consequences are as severe as destroyed engine and loss of vehicle for months.

Just ask the diesel guys about the fun they're having with defective fuel pumps.

 

[Travis8352]

https://www.hplubricants.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/No-VII-Engine-Oil-PDS.pd

High Performance Lubricants new run of oils. Using both their supercar add pack and their PCMO add pack except pao/ester/AN and no VII

 

[HEMIMANN]

Travis, link took me to no site found screen. Didn't see new product under motor oil menu either.

Why no vii? Straight weights?

 

[Travis8352]

Travis, link took me to no site found screen. Didn't see new product under motor oil menu either.

Why no vii? Straight weights?

Hmmm ill get it figured out, i got the ssme thing now that i clicked on it

Before they made group 3/ester 10w20 and 15w30 straight weights no VII and some on bitog asked for the supercar additive package with pao/ester/AN and no VII and they just released the specs

Heres a screenshot

 

[HEMIMANN]

Hmmm ill get it figured out, i got the ssme thing now that i clicked on it

Before they made group 3/ester 10w20 and 15w30 straight weights no VII and some on bitog asked for the supercar additive package with pao/ester/AN and no VII and they just released the specs

Heres a screenshot

I don't get this at all. A non vii PAO still isn't wide enough vis for truck app.

And a super oil isn't needed for mouse mobiles.

wtf?

 

[Travis8352]

I don't get this at all. A non vii PAO still isn't wide enough vis for truck app.

And a super oil isn't needed for mouse mobiles.

wtf?

This is what their results were with a PAO/POE/AN base stock blend without using VII

 

[The Critic]

I don't get this at all. A non vii PAO still isn't wide enough vis for truck app.

Supposedly it is. At least the grades shown in that document.

 

[gfh77665]

ROTFLMAO!

 

[ramffml]

Hmmm ill get it figured out, i got the ssme thing now that i clicked on it

Before they made group 3/ester 10w20 and 15w30 straight weights no VII and some on bitog asked for the supercar additive package with pao/ester/AN and no VII and they just released the specs

Heres a screenshot

You're just missing the final "f", as in ".pdf" in that link:
https://www.hplubricants.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/No-VII-Engine-Oil-PDS.pdf

 

[Travis8352]

You're just missing the final "f", as in ".pdf" in that link:
https://www.hplubricants.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/No-VII-Engine-Oil-PDS.pdf

Oh lord lol thank you!

 

[HEMIMANN]

Ok - so, looking at HPL PCMO 5W-30 as an example, which has no VII additive, they changed the base oil viscosity from a thinner base oil + vii to a thicker base oil - vii

NO VII PCMO 5W-30 CCS @ -30C = 5869 cP

PREMIUM PLUS PCMO 5W-30 CCS @ -30C = 4500 cP

Again, really unsure why they did this, after touting use of shear-stable star polymer VII additive in PREMIUM PLUS and SUPER CAR PCMO engine oils.

Seems like a boutique advertisement, to me. Or maybe a hot climate year-around oil, or something.

 

[Travis8352]

Ok - so, looking at HPL PCMO 5W-30 as an example, which has no VII additive, they changed the base oil viscosity from a thinner base oil + vii to a thicker base oil - vii

NO VII PCMO 5W-30 CCS @ -30C = 5869 cP

PREMIUM PLUS PCMO 5W-30 CCS @ -30C = 4500 cP

Again, really unsure why they did this, after touting use of shear-stable star polymer VII additive in PREMIUM PLUS and SUPER CAR PCMO engine oils.

Seems like a boutique advertisement, to me. Or maybe a hot climate year-around oil, or something.

It was done due to requests from BITOG members. Dave at High Performance Lubricants views VII as a useful tool when formulating oils, some view them as the devil. They already made mono grade oils using group 3. They got requests for mono grade oils using PAO and they delivered!

 

[ramffml]

some view them as the devil

Do you have any idea on why they feel that way? Is it ignorance or are there possibly real problems? Just trying to learn, even if they're wrong about them might be nice to know how they're thinking here.

 

[Burla]

A while back Dave from redline was on the record their 5w20 and 10w30 had no vii's. This was why I even tried 10w30 in my ram. However, I had a faint tick on it, so the 5w30 is just formulated better for my truck plus next to zero shear in the uoa's anyway. In theory no vii's is great, but for hemi tick it might not be the way to go. I prfer no vii's obviously, especially in nor cal, but not at the cost of ticking.

 

[Burla]

Do you have any idea on why they feel that way? Is it ignorance or are there possibly real problems? Just trying to learn, even if they're wrong about them might be nice to know how they're thinking here.

when vii's shear they are useless molecules that also can cause varnish, no to mention the oil is no longer in grade, loses visc and cold performance with shearing.

 

[Travis8352]

Do you have any idea on why they feel that way? Is it ignorance or are there possibly real problems? Just trying to learn, even if they're wrong about them might be nice to know how they're thinking here.

Because most oils are formulated with OCP (olefin copolymer) which tend to shear. Most if not all API oils are designed to temporarily shear so that as the VII shears the base oils thicken so at the end of the interval the viscosity is close to the same as it started. Makes me think redline is also using star polymer VII which explains why their 5w30 almost always thickens at the end of the interval as there is no temporary shear. Because HPL is formulated with star polymers i would not be afraid of them at all. Alot of it i would say is ignorance but burla makes good points about them being useless when they break down however thats not an issue with HPL as they are using a shear stable VII

 

[HEMIMANN]

It was done due to requests from BITOG members. Dave at High Performance Lubricants views VII as a useful tool when formulating oils, some view them as the devil. They already made mono grade oils using group 3. They got requests for mono grade oils using PAO and they delivered!

So they're gonna buy a million gallons a year? lol