Will GM pull out of the trash with the new trucks?

[Buddy]

So GM quality (all brands at that) has been awful with the engines and transmissions. Will a redesigned engine be bulletproof or have some of the same problems?

https://www.chevrolet.ca/en/upcoming-vehicles/2027-silverado-1500?evar36=EMAILN105959&evar147=0

 

[star_deceiver]

I have zero confidence in anything GM is putting out nowadays. Fortunately, you can still get old ones and parts are still available. The 454 is a lot easier and cheaper to fix than anything they build now.

 

[06 Dodge]

Just read today that Toyota is recalling over 40K non hybrid Toyota Tundras due to leftover particles in the block that are taking out engine bearings

 

[Buddy]

You know, sometimes I think (I know, some would say a rare occurance for me ), The old train of thought was always; one has to practise 10,000 hours to master a task. So vehicles have been in mass production over a hundred years, a century. Think about that. So one would think every single piece of an automobile should be perfected at this time. Any new additions or such should just compliment them. So how come we all see it togeather, new anything have so many teething problems? I mean, an engine should be 100% bulletproof unstoppable. Yet we're at a point where people say "cross your fingers", "hopefully it wasn't made on a Monday", "where are you gonna buy, they're all bad", etc. Come on, a century... at this point the only 'lemon' and vehicle should ever be is a color if thats what the owner ordered. Warranties should just be a hollow word, 100 years in, absolutely nothing should break.
So either on purpose (yes), or stop hiring the guy eating the crayons and glue to design everything. So with that we pretty much know for a fact planned obsolescence. And hey, I'm not a negative nelly b*tching all the time, I grew up a car fanatic. I love cars and trucks. I just want everyone to buy perfection with their cash today and be trouble free.
Shouldn't have to have discussions about wondering if a 'new' powerplant will be leaving the driver co-piloting with the tow truck driver. I honestly don't remember engines getting released years ago and having a 'wait and see if she blows' attitude.
I knew lots of guys with old chevy 305's with hundreds of thousands of miles and they barely changed their oil ever. Way back a buddy tried to kill his 305 when the car was done, avoided oil for it I don't know how many miles the oil had on it. It still would not die. Today we have members here going over samples of every oil change to create a database we can all use to make these engines keep running.
Have we taken steps backwards?
We joke around and say what would you buy tomorrow if you had to buy a brand new vehicle? I say none, I'dd be looking used, a bit older. And I'dd say it sadly, cause I love vehicles and the interests of it.
So fo GM's new redesigned engines, for owners benefit and the love of automotive, I say "Kudos! I hope it's bulletproof. My fingers are crossed, hopefully it wasn't designed and built on a Monday, and there's no lemon yellow colors anywhere in or around the engine bays"

 

[Buddy]

2027 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 First Look: Everything You NEED to Know!

With two new V8s, seven unique trims, and a ton of standard tech, here's everything you need to know about the all-new 2027 Silverado 150...

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[HEMIMANN]

"GM is retiring the 5.3 and 6.2-liter engines in favor of a 5.7 and a 6.6-liter V8 for the 2027 Silverado, both built on a refreshed version of the GM Small Block engine design the company has used since the 1950s."

I guarantee they'll screw it up, no one is left that knows anything. All there is now is coder bro's that write computer software code, or tell A.I. software code what software code to write. I saw it 10 years back. No mas.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I have zero confidence in anything GM is putting out nowadays. Fortunately, you can still get old ones and parts are still available. The 454 is a lot easier and cheaper to fix than anything they build now.

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I really liked my GM 8.1L Big Block. Tuned for truck torque, in the Chevy Kodiak Medium Duty Frames. All cast iron, sequential intake port fuel injection, bullet proof. Except for the cheap Chineseum electrical sensors they used. All of them failed. Absurd. The Allison 1000 Series Transmission was excellent too.

Just 20 years ago. No one can do anything right anymore. Yeah, I'm old - but there's also documented receipts on failures today.

 

[Buddy]

The projections are hp will be shooting around 400 for the 5.7 and 500/500 for the 6.6. Impressive if they can make them bulletproof. And after all these decades I expect all brands to be just that... I am let down. For the guys that like their trucks powerful, GM will have (could have) a solid beast here.

 

[seems fishy]

I haven't heard that Corvette motors are suffering the same issues.GM,still knows how to make those...

 

[Docwagon1776]

Design can be perfect, but unless they get the parts quality right it doesn't matter...

 

[MrBonez]

Design can be perfect, but unless they get the parts quality right it doesn't matter...

How true - How true.........

Chinesium isn't exactly a great material to make them out of..... And even if using good materials, quality control and design quality itself matters too.

 

[Rlaf75]

You know, sometimes I think (I know, some would say a rare occurance for me ), The old train of thought was always; one has to practise 10,000 hours to master a task. So vehicles have been in mass production over a hundred years, a century. Think about that. So one would think every single piece of an automobile should be perfected at this time. Any new additions or such should just compliment them. So how come we all see it togeather, new anything have so many teething problems? I mean, an engine should be 100% bulletproof unstoppable. Yet we're at a point where people say "cross your fingers", "hopefully it wasn't made on a Monday", "where are you gonna buy, they're all bad", etc. Come on, a century... at this point the only 'lemon' and vehicle should ever be is a color if thats what the owner ordered. Warranties should just be a hollow word, 100 years in, absolutely nothing should break.
So either on purpose (yes), or stop hiring the guy eating the crayons and glue to design everything. So with that we pretty much know for a fact planned obsolescence. And hey, I'm not a negative nelly b*tching all the time, I grew up a car fanatic. I love cars and trucks. I just want everyone to buy perfection with their cash today and be trouble free.
Shouldn't have to have discussions about wondering if a 'new' powerplant will be leaving the driver co-piloting with the tow truck driver. I honestly don't remember engines getting released years ago and having a 'wait and see if she blows' attitude.
I knew lots of guys with old chevy 305's with hundreds of thousands of miles and they barely changed their oil ever. Way back a buddy tried to kill his 305 when the car was done, avoided oil for it I don't know how many miles the oil had on it. It still would not die. Today we have members here going over samples of every oil change to create a database we can all use to make these engines keep running.
Have we taken steps backwards?
We joke around and say what would you buy tomorrow if you had to buy a brand new vehicle? I say none, I'dd be looking used, a bit older. And I'dd say it sadly, cause I love vehicles and the interests of it.
So fo GM's new redesigned engines, for owners benefit and the love of automotive, I say "Kudos! I hope it's bulletproof. My fingers are crossed, hopefully it wasn't designed and built on a Monday, and there's no lemon yellow colors anywhere in or around the engine bays"

I agree but if they made something bullet proof they wouldnt continue to make money because the consumer would no longer need to keep buying their products. Kinda like the medical and pharmaceutical industry where a patient cured is money lost

 

[yogibear18]

They need to stop copying off Toyota designs absolute trash, they seem to have little variation design differences in their whole models lineup, to me it’s lazy engineering. All engineers need to design what the consumer wants by listening to how we review them

 

[jc56berg]

Bring back the Big Block! Loved my 454 Jimmy back in the day. Held together with just basic maintenance and was a fine building block for add on performance.

 

[crash68]

I haven't heard that Corvette motors are suffering the same issues.GM,still knows how to make those...

Not only are they smaller production runs but they engines under go a lot of testing/refinement for HP and NVH.
As the manufacturers push the performance levels upwards, the margins of error gets thinner. Something like being a hair off line boring the block can be repeated thousands of times on for the mass produced engine, with the Corvette engines it may only be in the hundreds.

 

[seems fishy]

Agreed,too bad they can't afford that process with everything,and so should all manufacturers...

 

[HEMIMANN]

Not only are they smaller production runs but they engines under go a lot of testing/refinement for HP and NVH.
As the manufacturers push the performance levels upwards, the margins of error gets thinner. Something like being a hair off line boring the block can be repeated thousands of times on for the mass produced engine, with the Corvette engines it may only be in the hundreds.

So the bean counters outsource critical parts like crankshafts to incapable vendors who machine hundreds of thousands wrong, and send them to GM who doesn't inspect anymore.

Wonderfully-run corporation.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I agree but if they made something bullet proof they wouldnt continue to make money because the consumer would no longer need to keep buying their products. Kinda like the medical and pharmaceutical industry where a patient cured is money lost

New vehicle buyers don't buy their next new vehicle because the old one is clapped out. They buy it because they are bored with the old one, their needs changed, or they want the shiny new features. Look how many are sold or traded at the 3-5 year old mark if you doubt it.


Used vehicle buyers hold on to vehicles longer on average, but of course that's not as relevant to the manufacturer other than keeping the dealer network happy with service work, parts, etc.

 

[Sandevino]

Trip over a $100 to pick up a dime.

 

[BossHogg]

So GM quality (all brands at that) has been awful with the engines and transmissions. Will a redesigned engine be bulletproof or have some of the same problems?

https://www.chevrolet.ca/en/upcoming-vehicles/2027-silverado-1500?evar36=EMAILN105959&evar147=0

GM will have to earn back the trust it once had. Not only did they sell bad design, but they made it difficult to get anything fixed. The problem with earning back trust, you need a sea of people to buy your vehicles. It won't be me.