Diesel vs Gas

[1500ram12]

Module tuners like the Edge and Stryker don't plug into the ECM. It has a harness that plugs in between where the ECM injector harness plugs into the engine injector harness. Basically all it does is alter what the ECM is telling the injectors what to do. If you need to take it to the dealer then you just unplug it and reconnect the injector harnesses to each other.

Gotcha, so it's like the edge mileage max I had on my 05 5.9L. More of a "chip" than a "tuner"

 

[cc rider]

You're missing the point. The Laramie pkg is serving a purpose. Its adding luxury and convenience. We are talking about spending $8k on an engine that you get nothing out of (for the guys that don't need/use it). I'm Still waiting for you to tell me how a diesel drives

Actually the Laramie package is a $10k plus package going from a Tradesman crew cab 5.7L 2WD to a Laramie crew cab 5.7L 2WD. Don't believe me, look it up. So basically you can get a Tradesman crew cab Cummins for about the same as a Laramie crew cab 5.7L. Add in the 6.4L option and you will spending another $1.2k. It basically depends on which options are more important to you, a diesel or all the bells and whistles of a Laramie package. So are you going to tell people spending over $10k just on a Laramie package tjey are crazy because it is a don't "need" option?

Also, as I said in my post I didn't say everyone was that way so do you have something on your conscience?

Btw, enjoy those sour grapes.

 

[drittal]

I believe it's 8,995 now

 

[cc rider]

I believe it's 8,995 now

And that doesn't include tax

 

[drittal]

We pay our tax at the pump in MT. $0.2775 per gallon at the pump, but no sales tax. Also big tax on tobacco products, $1.70 on a pack of smokes.

 

[cc rider]

You wanna talk big taxes. This is ny. Big leagues here. Btw it got quiet here. I wonder where he went

 

[SouthTexan]

You're missing the point. The Laramie pkg is serving a purpose. Its adding luxury and convenience.

So you're saying a diesel does not serve any purpose in a truck? Wow, that is funny. Saying that a diesel does not add any purpose to a truck is like saying your $1,395 optioned 6.4L does not add any purpose over the 5.7L. If that is the case, then why would someone even pay for the 6.4L option? Hmmm... Maybe for more pulling power, more capabilities, or just because they wanted it....... Well whaddya know, those are some of the same reasons why people pay more for the diesel option.

We are talking about spending $8k on an engine that you get nothing out of (for the guys that don't need/use it).

Huh? If you don't get anything out of a diesel or think the $7,600 upcharge over the 6.4L for the Cummins is to high then you don't by one. It is that simple. The same could be said if someone did not get anything out of or thought that the $1,395 upcharge for the 6.4L over the 5.7L is to high. THEY DON'T BUY IT! Same goes for the Laramie package if someone wants a more basic truck. Not everyone needs or wants what the Laramie package offers to want to spend over $10k for it so what do they do? THEY DON'T BUY IT! It really is that simple, and I don't know how this is hard to understand.


As I said in my very first post here...... "Everyone has their own reasons why they bought what they did, and not everyone's reasons are the same."

I'm Still waiting for you to tell me how a diesel drives

Well keep waiting unless you go drive a few. Better yet, go tow that 14k lb trailer you tow up a couple hills with one. Then you will get your answer.

 

[drittal]

1. Go to RV.Net, there have been multiple posters that have experienced it at lower altitudes. I distinctly remember one stating that it kicked in on him going onto the foothills of the Appalachians in Tennessee where it was still below 1,200 ft elevation.

I have been searching RV.net for your claim and have come up empty. Link?

I find it difficult that a truck within its J2807 limits at lower elevations would trigger the "feature" when it had to pass the Davis Dam tests to earn it's certification. To pass it can't drop below 40 mph at any point on the 11.4mile 3000' elevation gain that is Davis Dam test, with 100* at base and AC on coldest setting. It isn't very high though, maxing at 3500'.

 

[SouthTexan]

I have been searching RV.net for your claim and have come up empty. Link?

I find it difficult that a truck within its J2807 limits at lower elevations would trigger the "feature" when it had to pass the Davis Dam tests to earn it's certification. To pass it can't drop below 40 mph at any point on the 11.4mile 3500' elevation gain that is Davis Dam test, with 100* at base and AC on coldest setting. It isn't very high though.

Nope, it was earlier last year around February (I think) if that helps.


I think I remember forum member ib516 asking him questions if that also helps.

 

[cc rider]

when did I say that? Didn't I say I would have one if I towed more. Again for the slow people in the room.....everybody is going to use the Laramie package. Not all will use the Cummins ' capability. We were comparing options / motors and prices and talking about guys that spend the cash on the Cummins but aren't using it for its intended use. Do you want me to rephrase it. To spend that much on something just cause you want it is fine if that's your thing. I think its silly. Buy that's just my opinion. As far as driving the diesel, I have driven one. I have driven a 14 cummins. Never towed with it though. Don't need to cause my 6.4 pulls my trailer just fine and there are no hills around here. At least nothing that my hemi can't handle. Oh, and as far as the ride, I didn't notice much of a difference. That's what I figured though since they use the same frame and the differences would be minor things such as the weight of the Cummins etc. I really don't care if the Cummins has more torque or if the 6.4 is faster off the start. I buy things that are practical. When I want to go fast , I ride my sportbike. When I want to just cruise, I'll ride my cruiser. When I need to pull some weight, I use my 6.4. Get it?

 

[SouthTexan]

when did I say that? Didn't I say I would have one if I towed more.

And where did I say you would?

Again for the slow people in the room.....everybody is going to use the Laramie package

No, not everybody will want to spend $10k on a Laramie option which is the reason not everyone is driving around in decked out Laramie's.

Not all will use the Cummins ' capability

Not all 6.4L owners use it to its capabilities either yet they paid for the upcharge because they wanted it and buying something just because you want it is a perfectly valid reason.....so what is your point?

We were comparing options / motors and prices and talking about guys that spend the cash on the Cummins but aren't using it for its intended use.

So what? You are starting to sound like a socialist telling people what they should do with their own money.

There are 6.4L owners who don't use their truck to its full intended purpose yet they paid the upcharge because they wanted it even though the 5.7L would be fine for their "needs". Do you see me griping at them? NO. The same with some Power Wagon owners who paid the extra coin yet hardly ever take it off road or use it to its full intended use. Do you see me jumping down their throats? NO, because it is there money to do with it as they wish and unless I am paying for their truck then it is none of my business what they get or how they use it.

I think its silly. Buy that's just my opinion.

Guess what? Your opinion doesn't matter when it comes what kind of truck other people spend their hard earned money on. Again, it is their money to do with as they please. You can think it is silly all you want and are allowed to have an opinion, but unless you are paying for the note on that truck then your opinion about it is worth less than the lint in my pocket to the guy who is paying the bill.

I really don't care if the Cummins has more torque or if the 6.4 is faster off the start. I buy things that are practical. When I want to go fast , I ride my sportbike. When I want to just cruise, I'll ride my cruiser. When I need to pull some weight, I use my 6.4. Get it?

Apparently you do care because you would not be all hot and bothered about what other people have and how they use their vehicles like it is your business. I am happy for you that you have all those things and love your 6.4L, but you should not be so concerned about what others have or how they use their trucks regardless if you think it is "practical" or not.... Get it?

 

[cc rider]

Hot and bothered? I honestly have not seen a bigger troll on the internet than you. You can have the last word. Everybody here knows that's why your here. Oh, and thank you for letting me tell people what to do with their money

 

[electrickone]

Diesel, 600 miles per tank average in LA.

 

[Boudreaux]

I just ordered a 6.4, I have always towed with a gasser and never had any problems. I don't tow often but when I do I am almost always a little over what my current truck is rated for. My home is 17 ft above sea level so I don't pull many hills except maybe the I 10 over the calcasieu river which is like 6% but it's not anywhere close to being several miles uphill. Honestly I would have bought a diesel even though I can get by with a gasser except that I plan on keeping this truck long after the warranty expires and all the new emissions crap really worries me as far as lot term durability goes. The initial cost of a diesel is not that big of an issue because it will more than make that money back at resale in most cases. In my case the truck will be so old and have so many miles on it that it won't matter what's in it. My dad has an 05 cummins at 605 lb ft if I remember right, and if you can't pull something with that you really just need to get a bigger truck! 850lb ft is just rediculous!

 

[drittal]

You can have the last word.

But we are only on page 8!

 

[68PowerWagon]

But we are only on page 8!

It's early yet. Let's see what kind of mood everyone woke up in today. It's the weekend, we could easily see 4 more pages today alone.

 

[drittal]

Here is a link that goes over J2807 standards and testing.

Truck Trend = J2807 Testing

I wonder if SAE could pull the certification if they found out about the "feature"

 

[cc rider]

LOL. Yeah but he gets repetitive. We all know that. His goal is to get to someone. He is always right and probably didnt get toys when he was younger and/or was abused.

But we are only on page 8!

 

[SouthTexan]

Hot and bothered? I honestly have not seen a bigger troll on the internet than you. You can have the last word. Everybody here knows that's why your here. Oh, and thank you for letting me tell people what to do with their money

Yes, hot and bothered. Why else would even bring up diesel drivers not using their trucks for their intended purpose if it didn't ruffle your feathers. If you didn't care then you would not have purposely gone out of you way to bring it up?

I also think you need to go and look up the definition of a troll. Just because someone debates you or has a difference of opinion on things does not mean they are a troll. This is a forum and debating facts, opinion, or point of views is what goes on in forums. Do you call everyone you meet that does not agree with everything you say a troll? If so then you sound like a liberal.

Seriously, you shouldn't get so fluffed up over people owning diesels. As I said earlier "Everyone has their own reasons why they bought what they did, and not everyone's reasons are the same." You shouldn't get mad just because someone doesn't buy their truck for the same reasons you bought yours or because they bought something that you don't see as practical for them.

Although I think there is more to it than that because I have seen people post in these forums that have or want to buy a 6.4L yet they say they will only be towing a 6,000 lb boat or will not even be towing at all. I don't see you jumping all over those guys for not buying something that is "practical" for their needs yet you gripe about Cummins owners doing it? That is some of that double standard I was talking about in that last thread. The same thing goes with the 30 mph "feature". I have seen people on here grip about torque management on diesels as a reason not to buy a Cummins even though its intended purpose is to save the driveline yet they will turn right around and call the 30 mph programming on the 6.4L a "feature" and praise Ram putting it there because it helps them save their driveline.

So chilax and stop worrying so much about how people..... let me rephrase that because it is not everyone, just diesel owners......how diesel owners use their truck.

 

[cc rider]

**** the feature. Idk what this feature is. I dont have any problem whatsoever with my trailer. If I was going up hills, I would have bought a diesel. after all, isnt that what they are for?

Here is a link that goes over J2807 standards and testing.

Truck Trend = J2807 Testing

I wonder if SAE could pull the certification if they found out about the "feature"