Engine chatter upon startup

[Fitz-0518]

Article says, cause is "When the piston rocks against the cylinder wall" This is stunning. In today's world of all things absurd,,, are now normal and customary, we are being asked to accept that the noise of a short skirt piston knocking on the cylinder wall is "OK"!!!! When we manufacture pistons with a proper skirt length and correct number ring lans, the physics do not allow the piston to rock. It slides.
Add to this the manufacture of all engine parts over seas by third party **** vendors making **** parts out of **** metal,,,,,it is wonder that engines last 100k miles.

 

[RamCares]

My 2013 RAM has a loud engine tapping upon startup. It last a couple minutes then goes away. It has 45k miles, always serviced per manual by dealer.
Does this seem serious?
I have extended Mopar that might cover it if the dealer agrees the problem must be fixed.

I get this noise too on my 2014 5.7 with 62k on it. Only on cold starts in the morning and after it’s sat for awhile like after work it clacks pretty good.

I have piston slap too and have had since 15k mi and now has 27 k . Really bothers me. Did the dealer diagnose urs. Mine did. Said it’s normal. ..... it can’t be good.


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Hi all,

I certainly understand why this noise would be concerning. If you decide to move forward with your dealers for this matter, please feel free to follow up with us via private message. We would like to ensure that your concerns are documented as well as allow our Case Specialists the opportunity to work with your dealers to find a potential solution.

Mark
Ram Social Care Specialist

 

[buddy guy]

Hi all,

I certainly understand why this noise would be concerning. If you decide to move forward with your dealers for this matter, please feel free to follow up with us via private message. We would like to ensure that your concerns are documented as well as allow our Case Specialists the opportunity to work with your dealers to find a potential solution.

Mark
Ram Social Care Specialist

Can you work with FCA to get them to start a recall for all the cam, lifter fails that have been documented?

 

[ryan russell]

Can you work with FCA to get them to start a recall for all the cam, lifter fails that have been documented?

Yeah and just put some nasty cams in them for us lol

 

[buddy guy]

Yeah and just put some nasty cams in them for us lol

that too!!!!

 

[Garce421]

Hi all,

I certainly understand why this noise would be concerning. If you decide to move forward with your dealers for this matter, please feel free to follow up with us via private message. We would like to ensure that your concerns are documented as well as allow our Case Specialists the opportunity to work with your dealers to find a potential solution.

Mark
Ram Social Care Specialist

Can Ram shed any light on these cam and lifter failures in the Hemi? A year range, for affected trucks and cars you may know about?anything? I see RamCares comment on a bunch of posts so I’m sure you all have seen the numerous threads regarding this issue. I know it can’t be just an “internet issue” as I know of a few people going through this personally. Any info would be awesome, I doubt that we’ll hear anything unfortunately.

I have gone to my local dealer and they said that it’s “one of the quieter” ones they’ve heard and there are no issues. I love the truck but this may be the last ram I buy as I near 100,000 miles. A wiped cam and lifters makes throwing $4k at a 5 yr old 100k mike truck kind of a poor financial decision. I don’t have much confidence of getting 120k out of this truck or possibly even 100k and I planned to keep it for a few more years but may dump it before it dumps my savings. I may be over reacting but it’s kind of a bummer reading all these threads and knowing there’s nothing I can do to prevent a failure and could be left without a truck and financial burden.

 

[buddy guy]

i imagine FCA is counting on a) majority of buyers not being on forums like this and connable in terms of being convinced some noise is normal (hemi tick for example) b) willing to fix those that suffer catastrophic failure given probably the number is relatively rare that undergo it. there is probably a dozen Rams just on my 2 blocks with hemis. how many will be kept past warranty? how many will be kept to 100K miles? Mine won't be. 7 to 8, I won't put 100,000 miles on mine. and it's not a 2nd gen tacoma. i'm not expecting to get 200,000 miles out of it

what they definitely will not do is a recall... cause then every tom, **** and harry with a hemi is going to want it rebuilt on FCA's tab. someone quoted 6K u.s. to do the job? x how many trucks? could that be the costliest recall in history?

 

[Garce421]

I agree on all those points, fca hands are probably tied but an extra year or two warranty to original owners wouldn’t hurt. Make it 7/150k yrs instead of 5/100k.

I also absolutely would expect any car built in the last ten years to do 200k easily. I drive ambulances at work that have 200k+ on gas motors and those things are driven hard And are quiet as can be.

 

[indept]

Can Ram shed any light on these cam and lifter failures in the Hemi? A year range, for affected trucks and cars you may know about?anything? I see RamCares comment on a bunch of posts so I’m sure you all have seen the numerous threads regarding this issue. I know it can’t be just an “internet issue” as I know of a few people going through this personally. Any info would be awesome, I doubt that we’ll hear anything unfortunately.

I have gone to my local dealer and they said that it’s “one of the quieter” ones they’ve heard and there are no issues. I love the truck but this may be the last ram I buy as I near 100,000 miles. A wiped cam and lifters makes throwing $4k at a 5 yr old 100k mike truck kind of a poor financial decision. I don’t have much confidence of getting 120k out of this truck or possibly even 100k and I planned to keep it for a few more years but may dump it before it dumps my savings. I may be over reacting but it’s kind of a bummer reading all these threads and knowing there’s nothing I can do to prevent a failure and could be left without a truck and financial burden.

Good point but what's your option, buy beercan body Ford Egoboost so instead of paying 4k for lifters/ cam you pay 4k for 2 turbos on a truck that, if equivalently equiped to your Ram, cost you 7k more to purchase AND THEN still cost you 4k to fix with just over 100k on the clock.

 

[buddy guy]

I agree on all those points, fca hands are probably tied but an extra year or two warranty to original owners wouldn’t hurt. Make it 7/150k yrs instead of 5/100k.

I also absolutely would expect any car built in the last ten years to do 200k easily. I drive ambulances at work that have 200k+ on gas motors and those things are driven hard And are quiet as can be.

hey, 7 years and 100K miles would be nice!

 

[buddy guy]

Good point but what's your option, buy beercan body Ford Egoboost so instead of paying 4k for lifters/ cam you pay 4k for 2 turbos on a truck that, if equivalently equiped to your Ram, cost you 7k more to purchase AND THEN still cost you 4k to fix with just over 100k on the clock.

word

 

[Garce421]

Good point but what's your option, buy beercan body Ford Egoboost so instead of paying 4k for lifters/ cam you pay 4k for 2 turbos on a truck that, if equivalently equiped to your Ram, cost you 7k more to purchase AND THEN still cost you 4k to fix with just over 100k on the clock.

Honestly I’d probably go with a tundra. I’d drop a few mpg and it’s not as fancy interior but I’d rather take something that’s as reliable as a hammer with less electronics. My u connect has never been set up since it was like $800 to turn one when I got it. And it’s a big radio right now haha. my Bluetooth is messed up since it connects to my phone but won’t remember any of my contacts anymore and then there’s the new issue this year with my door locks and the tick which could be manifold bolts or cam.

 

[buddy guy]

Honestly I’d probably go with a tundra. I’d drop a few mpg and it’s not as fancy interior but I’d rather take something that’s as reliable as a hammer with less electronics. My u connect has never been set up since it was like $800 to turn one when I got it. And it’s a big radio right now haha. my Bluetooth is messed up since it connects to my phone but won’t remember any of my contacts anymore and then there’s the new issue this year with my door locks and the tick which could be manifold bolts or cam.

sooo. you love your truck is what i'm hearing?

 

[Garce421]

sooo. you love your truck is what i'm hearing?

Ha I do like it. It rides great has great power, tons of room and is very comfortable. I like a lot of features like the radio (when it works) and the locking tailgate. If there was no manifold or cam problem possible, which 2014 and newer may not even be affected, I’d probably keep it forever. but I’d like to hear what ram has to say about this issue and I bet we’ll never know.

 

[joshuaeb09]

Honestly I’d probably go with a tundra. I’d drop a few mpg and it’s not as fancy interior but I’d rather take something that’s as reliable as a hammer with less electronics. My u connect has never been set up since it was like $800 to turn one when I got it. And it’s a big radio right now haha. my Bluetooth is messed up since it connects to my phone but won’t remember any of my contacts anymore and then there’s the new issue this year with my door locks and the tick which could be manifold bolts or cam.

Tundra's are good trucks for certain applications, but they got their own issues like all of them. A friend of mine used to deliver stuff to the plant not far from here and they literally had roll offs full of bad long blocks they just trashed as they didn't pass final QA during assembly of the truck. The name of the game today is cheap as possible and good enough to make it out the other side of the warranty without the OEM paying for any repairs.

 

[indept]

Tundra's are good trucks for certain applications, but they got their own issues like all of them. A friend of mine used to deliver stuff to the plant not far from here and they literally had roll offs full of bad long blocks they just trashed as they didn't pass final QA during assembly of the truck. The name of the game today is cheap as possible and good enough to make it out the other side of the warranty without the OEM paying for any repairs.

Or as we used to call it, the 60's, 70's, & 80's......

 

[RamCares]

Can Ram shed any light on these cam and lifter failures in the Hemi? A year range, for affected trucks and cars you may know about?anything? I see RamCares comment on a bunch of posts so I’m sure you all have seen the numerous threads regarding this issue. I know it can’t be just an “internet issue” as I know of a few people going through this personally. Any info would be awesome, I doubt that we’ll hear anything unfortunately.

I have gone to my local dealer and they said that it’s “one of the quieter” ones they’ve heard and there are no issues. I love the truck but this may be the last ram I buy as I near 100,000 miles. A wiped cam and lifters makes throwing $4k at a 5 yr old 100k mike truck kind of a poor financial decision. I don’t have much confidence of getting 120k out of this truck or possibly even 100k and I planned to keep it for a few more years but may dump it before it dumps my savings. I may be over reacting but it’s kind of a bummer reading all these threads and knowing there’s nothing I can do to prevent a failure and could be left without a truck and financial burden.

Hi Garce421,

Unfortunately, we are not mechanically trained so we are unable to determine how this needs to be handled. Again, having this documented with our team will allow us to have this looked into further by the appropriate internal parties for a potential solution.

Mark
Ram Social Care Specialist

 

[Zack02]

With the wiped cams and lifters possibly being attributed to high idle hours, I feel like its a fine line between letting the truck warm up and keeping it from idling.

I'm not personally sold on the idle hours being a cause. I do think it adds to the issue, but not a "cause" per say. I have high idle hours; like 1/4* of what my drive time is for +/- 85K miles. My UOA came back great; molly got rid of my tick and changing the weight got rid of my start up chatter.

Edit:* 30 minutes of idle, everyday of it's life

 

[cableguy_hd]

Damn did we scare the OP off??? 1 post and done.

 

[BEAST19]

Hi all,

I certainly understand why this noise would be concerning. If you decide to move forward with your dealers for this matter, please feel free to follow up with us via private message. We would like to ensure that your concerns are documented as well as allow our Case Specialists the opportunity to work with your dealers to find a potential solution.

Mark
Ram Social Care Specialist

I most likely will... I am keeping this truck long past my warranty expiration and I baby my truck and have had the dreaded lifter bleed down noise but now this extremely noticeable piston slap noise dealers claim is normal due to variances in the pistons as they wear and the engines short skirts shouldn’t be considered acceptable in a 40k+ vehicle , I have hear many ram engines with well over my mileage of 25k that don’t make a peep on cold starts , now mine hesitates and has a horrible noticeable piston slap ..... it’s concerning


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