Power Wagon 18’ or 19’!!??

[Warner R Rohr]

I had a 18 put 80000 kms on it and had it in the mountains pulling steep hills at work. Never had an issue with it. The only reason I traded it in was the tow capacity. For the price diff of a new one I would go with a 18. I paid 62k Canadian for my 18 new. Loaded

 

[Carrbucks]

We faced the same decision a month ago, dealer was trying real hard to push the 2018's on us. We went with the 19. First of all... The new block runs cooler, is stronger and the engine is noticably more quiet... Plus I believe there are upgrades to the Turbo.

 

[Jdoc]

I have ram 1500 sport with 8 speed.
I currently have 140,000 mi. No issues as to date and I pull heavy horse trailer approx. 8500#'s weekly. Sometimes twice.
I have changed filter, pan, fluid & went back with Redline D6 Atf fluid.
I have the usual hemi tick that has been fixed 3x now. 2 on pass 1 on driver side.
I believe they have done better updates to the current 8 speed.

 

[jerryinav]

18's are part of the drag link recall.

 

[mikejr]

If you are looking at an 18 2500/3500 you need to check one thing out before you buy. 18's are part of the drag link recall. The 18's that were on the lot were taken into service and had the drag link nuts welded. I believe dodge put these trucks back on the lot and sold them. If you purchased one take a look at the drag link nuts and see if they are welded. If they are, did dodge bother to do the right thing and advise you that your new truck will never be able to have the steering wheel centered during a front end alignment. I bet they didn't say a damn thing about it. If you are on a lot with a salesman look at the drag link bolts and see if they are welded. If so, and even if they are not, confront the salesman about the welded bolts, the recall and the fact that the steering wheel can't be recentered. See what kind of response you get from that moron. Better yet go straight to the sales manager and do the same thing. I have a 2014 and would not let dodge weld mine. I will have a new aftermarket drak link bar installed. There are about 800,000 owners who are completely pissed off with dodge and their ******** fix for this problem. Great way for dodge to treat 800,000 owners of $60,000.00 to $80,000.00 dollar trucks. I called several dealerships and spoke with sales people about buying a leftover 18. I asked why they were so cheap. Is there something wrong with them, etc. Not a single honest answer from any salesman until I asked about the recall and shoved the issue down their throats. Their final responses were that the recalls were performed and the trucks are fine. I told them ********. The trucks are not fine. They can no longer be properly aligned. I'd stay away from dodge and buy something else. I've had 3 dodge 2500/3500 and I will never buy another one. Dodge has done noting on this issue but continue to srew over loyal truck owners. **** on dodge.

This seems like a lot of FUD, let me see if I have the facts straight:

• There's a recall that's remediated by tack welding the jam nuts on the drag link
• You have a 2014 and have chosen not to participate in the recall

Outside of these facts, you make a lot of angsty assertions. I'm a Dodge owner, my truck is "affected", I'm not pissed off.

 

[olyelr]

Mile High Dodge In Christiansburg VA has and awesome deal on 2018 Dodge Ram 2500 under $60,000. If I was in the market for a 2500 I’d jump on that deal. Beautiful Truck. I’m waiting until 2020 3500 hit the dealers.

I would think most any power wagon, even a ‘19, would be priced at under 60 grand. Sure, MSRP can be much higher than that, but thats not what they sell for.

 

[Grand Mesa]

If you are looking at an 18 2500/3500 you need to check one thing out before you buy. 18's are part of the drag link recall. The 18's that were on the lot were taken into service and had the drag link nuts welded. I believe dodge put these trucks back on the lot and sold them. If you purchased one take a look at the drag link nuts and see if they are welded. If they are, did dodge bother to do the right thing and advise you that your new truck will never be able to have the steering wheel centered during a front end alignment. I bet they didn't say a damn thing about it. If you are on a lot with a salesman look at the drag link bolts and see if they are welded. If so, and even if they are not, confront the salesman about the welded bolts, the recall and the fact that the steering wheel can't be recentered. See what kind of response you get from that moron. Better yet go straight to the sales manager and do the same thing. I have a 2014 and would not let dodge weld mine. I will have a new aftermarket drak link bar installed. There are about 800,000 owners who are completely pissed off with dodge and their ******** fix for this problem. Great way for dodge to treat 800,000 owners of $60,000.00 to $80,000.00 dollar trucks. I called several dealerships and spoke with sales people about buying a leftover 18. I asked why they were so cheap. Is there something wrong with them, etc. Not a single honest answer from any salesman until I asked about the recall and shoved the issue down their throats. Their final responses were that the recalls were performed and the trucks are fine. I told them ********. The trucks are not fine. They can no longer be properly aligned. I'd stay away from dodge and buy something else. I've had 3 dodge 2500/3500 and I will never buy another one. Dodge has done noting on this issue but continue to srew over loyal truck owners. **** on dodge.

My son and I both own Dodge 2500 pickups being a 2014 Cummins 4x4 and a 2016 PW. Unfortunately, with the welding of the drag link we have ignored all of the other Ram service recalls sent to us afterwards. To fix the later ones would mean that the service department would also weld our drag links. Never had our drag links welded and never will. Both of us have had them come loose and fixed with Locktite and marked in their position with a line of red paint.

Very happy with my PW. Whether it's a 2018 or 2019 the PW is fantastic. In October 2017 I was interested in purchasing a 2018 Dodge PW, but found an excellent deal on a used 2016 PW instead. Still own and drive my 1978 and 1998 pickups with over 300,000 miles on each and so a 2018 was going to be my next.

 

[olyelr]

This seems like a lot of FUD, let me see if I have the facts straight:

• There's a recall that's remediated by tack welding the jam nuts on the drag link
• You have a 2014 and have chosen not to participate in the recall

Outside of these facts, you make a lot of angsty assertions. I'm a Dodge owner, my truck is "affected", I'm not pissed off.

I agree. So they have a shoddy fix for it right now. Whoopty-do. Dont participate in it if you dont like it (like I have chosen to do). If its already welded and you cant stand it, grind it down and tighten them up. Or, simply take matters into your own hands and buy/install an aftermarket one.

Is it a bunch of ****? Well yes. But Im certainly not gonna go jump ship to some *** company because of it.

 

[22hemi13]

If you are looking at an 18 2500/3500 you need to check one thing out before you buy. 18's are part of the drag link recall. The 18's that were on the lot were taken into service and had the drag link nuts welded. I believe dodge put these trucks back on the lot and sold them. If you purchased one, take a look at the drag link nuts and see if they are welded. If they are, did dodge bother to do the right thing and advise you that your new truck will never be able to have the steering wheel centered during a front end alignment. I bet they didn't say a damn thing about it. If you are on a lot with a salesman look at the drag link bolts and see if they are welded. If so, and even if they are not, confront the salesman about the welded bolts, the recall and the fact that the steering wheel can't be recentered. See what kind of response you get from that moron. Better yet go straight to the sales manager and do the same thing.

I have a 2014 and would not let dodge weld mine. I will have a new aftermarket drag link bar installed. There are about 800,000 owners who are completely pissed off with dodge and their ******** fix for this problem. Great way for dodge to treat 800,000 owners of $60,000.00 to $80,000.00 dollar trucks. I called several dealerships and spoke with sales people about buying a leftover 18. I asked why they were so cheap. Is there something wrong with them, etc. Not a single honest answer from any salesman until I asked about the recall and shoved the issue down their throats. Their final response was that the recalls were performed and the trucks are fine. I told them ********. The trucks are not fine. They can no longer be properly aligned. I'd stay away from dodge and buy something else. I've had 3 dodge 2500/3500 and I will never buy another one. Dodge has done noting on this issue but continue to screw over loyal truck owners. **** on dodge.

Also, I have seen a lot of info on here regarding dodge coming up with a better fix for this later on. I even saw a part number for a new drag link bar. I have checked this part number high and low and cannot find one. My local dodge service center does not know of any additional future fix for this problem and told me dodge does not have another fix in the works. I called FCA several times and spoke to several dummies who told me dodge does not intend to roll out a future proper fix???? Guess we have to wait and see while we drive around with crooked steering wheels.

To the guy above who is thinking about trading his Toyota for a dodge-- Keep the Toyota they know a thing or two about customer service and would never ****rig a fix like this for a mechanical problem.

Lolololol wow. That’s a lot of fuss for two little ole tack welds haha.

 

[rocktoza]

I'd say be patient I was and it paid off big time, and come November the dealers will be throwing them at people dirt cheap. I bought a 2019 ram 1500 big horn, I waited months to buy mine but walked out with a extended warranty a spray in bedliner and a total of 13k off incentives, out of any dealer I have dealt with in the past I have to say dodge did the right thing in getting me to buy my ram

 

[Chap]

I bought my 2018 PW in July, and couldn't be happier. My truck came from a batch of fleet vehicle Power Wagons in Canada, that 2 dealers, one 70 miles north of me and one 100 miles south of me bought. Each dealer had 3, and each had between 6200, and 7500 miles on them. A gray one and a white one I was looking at, sold immediately. So, it was red or blue, I chose blue. I read someplace, because they were from Canada, the warranty was no good. Total ********. My warranty is fine until August 2021, powertrain longer. My truck isn't the leather seat, Ram box, remote start, front camera optioned truck, but it is loaded otherwise. And it doesn't have those stupid looking 3 foot tow mirrors sticking off it, thank god. My window sticker is in French, which I find funny as hell, and cant read it, but basically the truck new was $56,000 American dollars, and I paid $45,000 for the truck with 7,400 miles on it. Traded in my 2014 Rocky Ridge 1500 and couldn't be happier.

 

[Moparfanatic21]

Im waiting until 2020 to buy another PW as I want the panoramic sunroof

 

[olyelr]

Im waiting until 2020 to buy another PW as I want the panoramic sunroof

Well then you will wait longer. Dont plan on it in 2020.

 

[Lucy Girl]

Guys I’m debating on selling my built Tacoma in and joining the mopar clan!! Im trying to steal a leftover 18’ off of a dealers lot.. There are quite a few left over in my area.. that being said, I’m hearing a lot of chatter about the 19s with the ZF trans!! I am not one to buy anything on in its first year (usually wait a couple years for them to iron the bugs out) question is: what’s the consensus on the new ones?? Should i wait a few moths and get a leftover 19’ or try to scoop up an 18’ on the cheap?? I’m leaning towards the 18’ b/c that configuration has been around for a bit.. anyways lemme know

Thanks

Congrats for leaving Tacoma. You will like Ram better.

 

[Tracy in IL]

Just curious on why you're leaving the Tacoma.
I'm thinking the opposite change. Get rid of my '17 Ram 1500 and get a smaller more nimble Tacoma TRD Off-Road.

 

[Grand Mesa]

Just curious on why you're leaving the Tacoma.
I'm thinking the opposite change. Get rid of my '17 Ram 1500 and get a smaller more nimble Tacoma TRD Off-Road.

I've seen very few of these itzy, bitsy, and nimble little pickups like the Tacoma out this way on the Colorado Plateau's Western Slope of Colorado and Moab. Mostly tourists from out of state whom drive those little things to Aspen, Telluride, and Vail, but quickly leave before the snow really hits. The Tacoma must be designed and manufactured for general use in a big city. Easier for ladies to navigate those enclosed parking spaces and there's still enough bed space for the mall shopping purchases.

Otherwise, most folks out here in the real world of the rural sections within the states would find it to be impractical to purchase something so small and economical versus a machine that's common sense. Better to make one trip with a full load than none at all due to it being too dinky.

Don't get me wrong due to I have a daughter who owns a 2018 Toyota Tacoma TRD, but when the snow started falling heavily here last winter they couldn't leave fast enough back to the big city of Colorado Springs. Her husband has since lifted it and installed real off road larger sized tires versus the little stock street tires.

My son had owned a Tacoma 4x4 too, but it couldn't satisfy his towing requirements. It ended up bubbling out the manual transmission fluid from its case due to it exceeding the towing capacity even though it had the optional higher capacity towing package. He sold it and purchased a Ram 2500 4x4 and has had no issues since with towing.

It's still best to drive a Power Wagon in order to be prepared.

 

[22hemi13]

I've seen very few of these itzy, bitsy, and nimble little pickups like the Tacoma out this way on the Colorado Plateau's Western Slope of Colorado and Moab. Mostly tourists from out of state whom drive those little things to Aspen, Telluride, and Vail, but quickly leave before the snow really hits. The Tacoma must be designed and manufactured for general use in a big city. Easier for ladies to navigate those enclosed parking spaces and there's still enough bed space for the mall shopping purchases.

Otherwise, most folks out here in the real world of the rural sections within the states would find it to be impractical to purchase something so small and economical versus a machine that's common sense. Better to make one trip with a full load than none at all due to it being too dinky.

Don't get me wrong due to I have a daughter who owns a 2018 Toyota Tacoma TRD, but when the snow started falling heavily here last winter they couldn't leave fast enough back to the big city of Colorado Springs. Her husband has since lifted it and installed real off road larger sized tires versus the little stock street tires.

My son had owned a Tacoma 4x4 too, but it couldn't satisfy his towing requirements. It ended up bubbling out the manual transmission fluid from its case due to it exceeding the towing capacity even though it had the optional higher capacity towing package. He sold it and purchased a Ram 2500 4x4 and has had no issues since with towing.

It's still best to drive a Power Wagon in order to be prepared.

I’ve gotten my cclb places Tacoma won’t go. Our solid front axles make a huge difference off-road. Now to be fair it was a stock Tacoma and modded they do much better. But man they’re pricey to upgrade

 

[Moparfanatic21]

Well then you will wait longer. Dont plan on it in 2020.

Articles I read said 2020 is the year, but we will see either way I have plenty of PWs to drive.

 

[Trailmaker]

I've seen very few of these itzy, bitsy, and nimble little pickups like the Tacoma out this way on the Colorado Plateau's Western Slope of Colorado and Moab. Mostly tourists from out of state whom drive those little things to Aspen, Telluride, and Vail, but quickly leave before the snow really hits. The Tacoma must be designed and manufactured for general use in a big city. Easier for ladies to navigate those enclosed parking spaces and there's still enough bed space for the mall shopping purchases.

Otherwise, most folks out here in the real world of the rural sections within the states would find it to be impractical to purchase something so small and economical versus a machine that's common sense. Better to make one trip with a full load than none at all due to it being too dinky.

Don't get me wrong due to I have a daughter who owns a 2018 Toyota Tacoma TRD, but when the snow started falling heavily here last winter they couldn't leave fast enough back to the big city of Colorado Springs. Her husband has since lifted it and installed real off road larger sized tires versus the little stock street tires.

My son had owned a Tacoma 4x4 too, but it couldn't satisfy his towing requirements. It ended up bubbling out the manual transmission fluid from its case due to it exceeding the towing capacity even though it had the optional higher capacity towing package. He sold it and purchased a Ram 2500 4x4 and has had no issues since with towing.

It's still best to drive a Power Wagon in order to be prepared.

Like I posted before, it comes to price and MPGs in most cases when deciding what truck to buy. You and I want deferent capabilities then those in a 1/4 ton ( wouldn’t call it a 1/2 ton)

 

[22hemi13]

Wow, how the hell do you even function in regular day to day functions, when you can't even decide for YOURSELF what type of truck to buy.....completely boggles my mind

Hey look. **** fer brains showed up Man we’ve missed your positive meaningful input