New I-6 info...

[ramffml]

Sounds like the ram classic is perfect for your.

What's funny is that I never liked the classic style at all, until I bought my 5th gen in 2019 and then started hanging out on forums and seeing more pics and it grew on me to the point where I like the styling just as much as mine.

Somehow I suspect there is still a significant difference b/n a 4th gen and a 90's 1500 when it comes to weight and electronics (ie: stuff that can break). 5th gens are even lighter than 4th, they used more mixed materials but it still grew in overall dimensions.

 

[Lsujker]

Somehow I suspect there is still a significant difference b/n a 4th gen and a 90's 1500 when it comes to weight and electronics (ie: stuff that can break).

There is. Interior electronics shows the most evolution. They look the same under hood. The weight difference is noticeable but the 4th gen is so much nicer to drive on a daily bases.

 

[TestPilot57]

...the 4th gen is so much nicer to drive on a daily bases.

To each their own. I much prefer the 5th gen over my prior 4th gen, I find it more refined. 4 corner air suspension on both.

 

[Wmjohn]

I just received a 2024 from the factory and chose the 5.7 hemi while I could still get one. I didn't bother to compare the price with the Hurricane, for all the reasons listed above. In one sentence, I just didn't want to be a first gen Hurricane owner.

Two trucks ago, I had a Ford Lariat with ecoboost and it was completely reliable and had excellent acelleration. Has anything occurred that causes the ecoboost to fall out of favor?

Only in a few years and 100k miles will anyone know if the Hurricane is a keeper.

 

[CMV157]

So much pessimism. Maybe it will turn out to be a flop but so far they seem to be fairing well in the Jeep line (not out long but still, no major issues yet). All I know is, seems like every 10th thread here is about the 100 different types of hemi tick many say is a flawed design. Or warped manifolds and snapped bolts. Both the GM and Ford truck V8s have had a horrible track record lately with lifter/valvetrain issues. It isn't like what we are seeing today from any of these manufacturers is a testament of reliability..

I do worry about over complication. But I like the power numbers, I like the potential for improved efficiency, I like 90% of torque coming under 3000 RPMs. The straight 6 in general has an outstanding history from the infamous supra to the old straight 6 ford to the cummins. The overall architecture is a very robust design.

Unless SH.. hits the fan early with this new motor, we very well may be buying one in 2025 or 2026.

 

[Travelin Ram]

@CMV157 , the 4 cylinder version of the hurricane was introduced in 2018 with the Wrangler JL. I’ve had one. Zero engine issues. In general owners don’t report many problems. (Aside from the electrical gremlins that seem to be featured in every FCA product)

No problem at all motivating a 6,000# plus Jeep. Read the Jeep forums and there’s all the same contention found around here; the naturally aspirated crowd shading the 2.0 and vice versa.

Having owned both the 3.6 and 2.0 in that platform, the turbo is my preference. Better economy, more power, torque, and acceleration. Better performance at altitude.
The 3.6 has better compression braking downhill, and is quieter when off roading because the turbo aggressively uses high speed on the cooling fan.

If I was shopping half tons, I’d buy a hurricane without hesitation. To be fair, I don’t have much heartburn if a vehicle disappoints, it can and will go away.

 

[ramffml]

To each their own. I much prefer the 5th gen over my prior 4th gen, I find it more refined. 4 corner air suspension on both.

I think he was saying the 4th gen is so much nicer to drive than a 90's era truck.

 

[DanAR]

The problem that hit the Tundra when they dropped the V8 and went to the twin turbo 6 was the turbochargers and not the engine itself. Lots of turbo failures caused their overall reliability reputation to take a dive and sales to suffer. Not sure if they have managed to turn that around yet or not. If they have they seem to get on things a lot quicker than RAM has with cam/ lifter ticks, warped exhaust manifolds, gas tanks that wont fill and rear windows that don’t crack and leak. Yes, I think I would not want to be the Beta tester for the new Hurricane package when it replaces the Hemi.

 

[ramffml]

The problem that hit the Tundra when they dropped the V8 and went to the twin turbo 6 was the turbochargers and not the engine itself. Lots of turbo failures caused their overall reliability reputation to take a dive and sales to suffer. Not sure if they have managed to turn that around yet or not. If they have they seem to get on things a lot quicker than RAM has with cam/ lifter ticks, warped exhaust manifolds, gas tanks that wont fill and rear windows that don’t crack and leak. Yes, I think I would not want to be the Beta tester for the new Hurricane package when it replaces the Hemi.

I think that specific turbo issue was fixed quite quickly. The issues seem to be mediocre build quality and materials, a jittery ride, terrible looks, and still pretty bad MPG.

They also now make you subscribe to a monthly service just to have remote start, and the silly thing turns off when you open the door handle (are you kidding me?).

There are also other issues with their infotainment system, like how they try to make you enter who you are into the system so that it configures it for your settings, basically it's not as simple as "get in and drive". Tim @ pickuptruck + suv talk on YT had one last year and I'd never buy that little scrap heap.

 

[2Tallguy]

Maybe this was shared earlier...sorry if I missed it. A buddy sent this to me this morning. The new I-6 TT engine HERE.

A Deeper Dive Into The New Twin-Turbo HURRICANE I-6 Engines

In a groundbreaking move set to revolutionize the landscape of pickup truck engines, Ram Trucks recently announced its departure from the iconic 5.7-liter HEMI® V-8, marking the end of a two-decade legacy. Instead, Ram is boldly ushering in a new era with the introduction of not one but two...

moparinsiders.com

Test,test test then release it.

 

[2Tallguy]

The problem that hit the Tundra when they dropped the V8 and went to the twin turbo 6 was the turbochargers and not the engine itself. Lots of turbo failures caused their overall reliability reputation to take a dive and sales to suffer. Not sure if they have managed to turn that around yet or not. If they have they seem to get on things a lot quicker than RAM has with cam/ lifter ticks, warped exhaust manifolds, gas tanks that wont fill and rear windows that don’t crack and leak. Yes, I think I would not want to be the Beta tester for the new Hurricane package when it replaces the Hemi.

Whoever designed the grill which hangs down to the ground and no provision for tow hooks should be fired.

 

[Fatbob Frank]

Yes, bring them back to the size of this beauty I had the privilege to park next to (was driving my Beetle that day, darn it).
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They could bring back the Magnum 318 while they're at it...

 

[boblonben]

What is EPS and MDF?

Doubt it, but makes a story anyway.

 

[Gussers]

It's simple. Any added complexity introduces new points of failure. Going from points and distributors to solid state was a decrease in complexity and increased reliability. Going from a large engine to a smaller engine, then adding variable vane turbos and water cooling exhaust adds lots of complexity and gets you back to roughly where you started (420hp). You now will have much more to go wrong for the same performance. And, those parts will be very costly. Turbos aren't known to go 200k miles. Nobody has water-cooled exhaust manifolds. Adding finicky things like variable vanes to a turbo will add more stuff to get coked up and not work right (as others have mentioned). I would not buy the first year of these to come out. I suspect there will be lots of, "Anybody experience this issue?" discussions going on once they're released.

I mean, it's possible to get ridiculous performance out of small engines. Formula 1 will show you how much horsepower and RPM can be wrung out of a small engine. But those cars cost millions, have a dedicated crew, and get 4 engines for the season! It's a similar principle... You have to make the smaller engine work harder to produce the same power, so there is more stress on the parts. Not a recipe for longevity and reliability.

Someone find out what a new turbo will cost, or what the cost will be if the coating in the cylinders fails. What happens when the water jackets fail in the exhaust manifold? Honestly curious to see how this turns out.

 

[lobo]

Maybe this was shared earlier...sorry if I missed it. A buddy sent this to me this morning. The new I-6 TT engine HERE.

A Deeper Dive Into The New Twin-Turbo HURRICANE I-6 Engines

In a groundbreaking move set to revolutionize the landscape of pickup truck engines, Ram Trucks recently announced its departure from the iconic 5.7-liter HEMI® V-8, marking the end of a two-decade legacy. Instead, Ram is boldly ushering in a new era with the introduction of not one but two...

moparinsiders.com

Ev's, turbo charged small engines in trucks are just a government phantasy. If you run empty all the time I guess they would be all right but if you load them heavy for work these small turbo engines in reality do not get much better mileage than a V-8 and most likely will wear out sooner.

 

[Wild one]

Anybody heard anything about what transmissions they're throwing behind each varient? Are they still using the HP75 behind both versions.I'd hope they'd use the HP90/95 behind the H/O version,and not the HP75

 

[Wire4money]

Ev's, turbo charged small engines in trucks are just a government phantasy. If you run empty all the time I guess they would be all right but if you load them heavy for work these small turbo engines in reality do not get much better mileage than a V-8 and most likely will wear out sooner.

A turbo engine properly designed will be a great tow platform. The torque comes in at low rpms, and is relatively flat.

 

[Jimmy07]

I suspect there will be lots of, "Anybody experience this issue?" discussions going on once they're released.

Searching the wagoneer forums for owners with issues specifically with the hurricane engine doesn’t turn up anything except how surprised they are at it’s performance vs the 5.7 or 6.4 hemi equipped wagoneers.

Someone find out what a new turbo will cost

About $580:

Turbochar 68418243AH | All Mopar Parts

68418243AH - Turbochar

parts.allmoparparts.com

 

[HEMIMANN]

Ev's, turbo charged small engines in trucks are just a government phantasy. If you run empty all the time I guess they would be all right but if you load them heavy for work these small turbo engines in reality do not get much better mileage than a V-8 and most likely will wear out sooner.

Exactly what Ford owners with Ecoboost discovered. And a 70,000 mile engine, to boot.

The flip side was use a regular size motor with cylinder cutouts at light load. Well, that wasn't durable either (GM oil pumper AFM, Hemi lifter & cam wiper).

So now we're on to GDI, with sooting the oil up from a one-size-does-all-not-very-well direct injector. Perhaps "Hurricane" will do it right and have dual injectors per cylinder. For ever mo' money, of course. And minimal fuel savings.

 

[HEMIMANN]

A turbo engine properly designed will be a great tow platform. The torque comes in at low rpms, and is relatively flat.

For how long?