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Are they worth it?

I mean, for your average truck, what kind of difference does it make?

I've been doing a lot of reading before I start moding my new 2017 1500 Laramie. I'm planning to put a 4-6" lift on so that it looks a little better and I can run a tire in the range of 35".

It looks like remote reservoir shocks like the Fox 2.0, Rough Country Vertex, King, or Fox 2.5 are the big-time ticket, but they're also quite spendy. What do you actually accomplish for your money?

Is it a big noticable difference on road? Off road? Smoother? Or just capable of taking more abuse?
 
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For reference, I'm not exactly planning to do prerunner off road baja races, but I do live in the country. My truck will see plenty of bumpy asphalt, gravel roads with washboards, and the occasional bouncing over sagebrush or down dirt trails.

I drive down the interstate plenty, but it's still a truck.
 

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Your ride will be rough on your back without spending for fancy shocks thats because your wallet will be fatter.

Keep in mind shocks dont do anything for power, ride height or whatever witch craft. They dampen the impact and prevent our suspensions from going bouncy bouncy.


Not apples to apples, but i had an XJ with over 185k miles on the oem shocks. Rode pretty good and i put it through ****. I guess the shocks were spec'd appropriately.

As for my truck. Had Rancho adjustables. Rode better ..less bounce.
But wasnt worth the money and they broke. Now running rough country. Meh! Wish i had never leveled my truck.

Just buy what is required for your purposes. Don't spend for nipple rings on your truck.
 

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For reference, I'm not exactly planning to do prerunner off road baja races, but I do live in the country. My truck will see plenty of bumpy asphalt, gravel roads with washboards, and the occasional bouncing over sagebrush or down dirt trails.

I drive down the interstate plenty, but it's still a truck.
You get what you pay for. It’s a big price jump to feel the difference use Bilstein for example between their 5100’s and 6112’s then look at icon and the next tier.
 

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Not a lot of difference onroad. No need for anything special when the street or highway is smooth. You may see improvements in body roll, less nose dive when breaking etc with heavier valved shocks.

Where King 2.5 or Fox 2.5 will shine is when the road gets uneven and your environment becomes dirt, gravel washboards, ruts etc etc The difference gets to be more noticeble with more speed also how long you can keep that speed, and how long your suspension can stay together doing it.

You don't need Baja to enjoy performance shocks that's an stereotype in this forum. Are they worth it? Yes Every single penny if you're going to use them for what they offer, shoot even if you wanted them just for bling you my find their value that way :)
 

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This is a video posted by another forum member in a different thread that illustrate the effects of a simple washboard road on your standard shocks. No RAM's in the video but the point is literally the same. They're not driving anything even remotely even close to what you'll do in the Baja race.
Granted this was probably a little free propaganda for the 17 Honda Ridgeline since only one shock failed lol

This is just a simple drive at perhaps 15-20mph, maybe 20-30mph if you feel your shocks can do it. The main difference is that in this case it's for miles on a washboard road to reach a wonderful destination. The Titan will match our RAM 1500's in size and weight, and that version (Pro4X) have better shocks than what you get in a RAM 1500. The Prox models get a version of Bisteins valved a little better for dirt roads, same with the Taco TRD Pro in that year (2016) they were just Bilstein shocks specially valved for the Taco with in theory little more offroad in mind, Keep in mind this was the flag ship offroad Tacoma in 2016. Same for the flagship offroad Nissan in 2016. Toyota later upgraded the TRD Pro with the Bistein 6112/5160 combo, better performance but still no cigar for the crowd who's paying money to say they want to travel a little faster than your standard truck or Jeep in dirt roads. , Now days you get Fox 2.5 with electronic adaptive zone in the TRD models and Raptors

Also notice what fails first in the trucks, in both instances: rear shocks. isn't funny how some will tell you don't need 2.5 rear body shocks cause the rear barely sees any abuse ?

Grab a set of front and rear King 2.5 or Fox 2.5, or Radflo 2.5 or Icon 2.5 all of which are offered for the RAM 1500 and a set of real aftermarket front UCA's and go enjoy roads like that leading to the Racetrack in death valley for a bunch of miles at double the speed, i bet you can drive even faster if you had the balls :) Any of these shocks will take roads like that like with so much ease is not even funny talking about it. Super simple washboard that is far away from the forces your suspension will see in the real Baja race. Icon will be the weakest contender here because they don't give you a front reservoir but still it'll get you home without your shocks leaking at least on several trips to the same place. I bet the house the other 3 vendors will run longer before having to do any maintenance in the CO's because of the reservoir. Simple physics.

As explained many times, these are not shocks for everybody and not everybody cares to even make the drive on roads such as that one. if you want performance shocks and you're into this type of driving and terrain and let me tell you this one is a big laughing road when you have performance shocks, then performance shocks are for you and yes they cost more money for a reason, And i promise you won't have to drive at 5mph to get to the death valley racetrack with any of the big boy shocks.

From Edmunds notes:
"Couple the service record with the technician's farewell warning to "be careful out there next time" and you've got a clear message from the dealership that it thinks we abused the truck or put it through some sort of special kind of torture. Despite the service writer's commentary in the write-up, the Tacoma's broken bits were the easiest to deal with. They came in the quickest, we had no trouble with the dealership, and we were back on the road in no time.

The other trucks, our long-term Honda Ridgeline and our long-term Nissan Titan XD, however, were not so drama-free. The Ridgeline took nearly a week to repair while the Titan took nearly a month. Both are particularly long stretches by the Toyota's standards. In the end, the message from all three trucks was pretty clear: Go 5 mph on the road to Racetrack Playa or be willing to pay the price"

https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/taco...oma-suspension-breakdown-in-death-valley.html
 
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This is a video posted by another forum member in a different thread that illustrate the effects of a simple washboard road on your standard shocks.

Interesting.

Like I said, I'm not interested in setting speed records off road, but that road looks pretty dang mild to me.

I've driven pickup trucks down roads like that for 20 years and never broken anything.
 

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Interesting.

Like I said, I'm not interested in setting speed records off road, but that road looks pretty dang mild to me.
I've driven pickup trucks down roads like that for 20 years and never broken anything.
K, you're all set then. cheapy shocks will be more than great for you. you won't need anything special for shocks. Just continue to do what you have been doing for the past 20 years and it'll work exactly the same.
 

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I know they don’t compare to higher end shocks but I have bilstein 5100 on all 4 corners and have done 45 down washboard roads. The ride was better than stock. Stock I could barely do 25 down the same road. The shock bodies were definitely slightly warm to the touch after 4.5 miles. I am planing on bumping up to 6112/5160 combo eventually since that’s the extent of my hardcore driving. Everything else is slow off-roading on trails and the larger body should be better all around for me. I still have my eye on icon or kings iff the 6112/5160 convo doesn’t work out. I just don’t want to have to maintain the shocks or rebuild them and the 6112/5160 is more of a change it and forget it setup but doesn’t get the same feel as the higher end stuff. If more of your driving is roads or you don’t off-road derby then you’re fine. If you prefer a plush caddy like ride than you really get what you pay for.
 

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After living with 5100s cranked at 2.8 for a couple years I am ready for some Kings. The 5100s work well for 95% of what I do with my truck but when I do venture off road they leave a lot to be desired. They are so dang abrupt at times it is unsettling, especially wash board roads or potholes on the road at freeway speeds.

I would still recommend them to anyone that wants to level their truck for cheap, they are great for that.
 
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So are you guys saying that the biggest difference that I'd notice is high speed off road stuff?

Like washboards?
 
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K, you're all set then. cheapy shocks will be more than great for you. you won't need anything special for shocks. Just continue to do what you have been doing for the past 20 years and it'll work exactly the same.

There's no need to get rude. I'm asking because I don't know what I may be missing.
 

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So are you guys saying that the biggest difference that I'd notice is high speed off road stuff?

Like washboards?

night and day at any speed off road. On road is still phenomenal pot holes, uneven pavement etc. a lot of benefits the only negative is the price scares a lot of folks away
 

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Tons of great info already provided here. The worse the road/trail and/or the faster you go the bigger the difference between basic and high end shocks will be.

if you off road I would say set a realistic budget for your suspension. Plan to save a bit to set a budget for something quality whether it be 6112's Fox 2.0's or if you can swing something even better like King, ICON, Fox, etc...Let us know if we can help, we offer all the quality brands and can assist with finding you a package that will fit your needs and your budget. Message me to discuss pricing.
 

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There's no need to get rude. I'm asking because I don't know what I may be missing.
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Just trying to help. Nothing to do with being rude. The difference is day and night. On or offroad again depending on your terrain. If youre going with a 4-6" lift you may want to look into the BDS with Fox 2.5 they give you a full kit so you get your desired 4-6 heigth and you should be able to beat on it.
Don't let the price scare you. Pay once cry once. We only live once so if you have the means go for it.
 
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Just trying to help. Nothing to do with being rude. The difference is day and night. On or offroad again depending on your terrain. If youre going with a 4-6" lift you may want to look into the BDS with Fox 2.5 they give you a full kit so you get your desired 4-6 heigth and you should be able to beat on it.
Don't let the price scare you. Pay once cry once. We only live once so if you have the means go for it.

Thanks. That helps.

If it's worth it, I can probably afford to get nice suspension, but I just don't want to pay a bunch of money and not feel any difference.

Your comments and the others here are starting to reassure me that there is in fact something to be gained for someone like me.
 
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