5.7 cam/lifter issue explanation

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Lane Attaway

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So I just felt the need to share this info with everyone here who has the 5.7. I cannot remember the fellas name for the life of me but I found a video on YouTube of a guy explaining what causes the hemi to eat cams (hopefully someone else has seen this!!). Basically the video explains that there’s a support bar through the block for rigidity directly under the cam which is mainly splash lubricated (gets oil from the crankshaft throwing oil up) and idling is the culprit to killing the cam. At idle, it doesn’t get enough oil but with higher RPM, it’s fine. Just thought I would add this info to the forum!!
 

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So I just felt the need to share this info with everyone here who has the 5.7. I cannot remember the fellas name for the life of me but I found a video on YouTube of a guy explaining what causes the hemi to eat cams (hopefully someone else has seen this!!). Basically the video explains that there’s a support bar through the block for rigidity directly under the cam which is mainly splash lubricated (gets oil from the crankshaft throwing oil up) and idling is the culprit to killing the cam. At idle, it doesn’t get enough oil but with higher RPM, it’s fine. Just thought I would add this info to the forum!!
I remember reading an article as well, explaining how idling would do what you have mentioned. The article went on to further explain how the MDS contributes to (early) cam issues as well. Because of the "splash lubrication" being needed at higher rpm, the MDS somehow impedes that process during normal city driving...so an MDS-Delete is usually recommended during a cam install with lifters being replaced. Until then, disabling the MDS with the gear selection switch process is recommended...
 
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Lane Attaway

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So I can’t say for certain because, it is my opinion lol, that video along with working at a CDJR (Chrysler, jeep, dodge, Ram) dealership fully convinced me, MDS is not at fault for eating cams but can be blamed for failed lifters. It depends on how they failed. When MDS is at fault, the lifter collapses and the tick you sometimes hear on startup from them or after oil changes doesn’t go away. Ram definitely seemed find a better supplier for lifters than GM because most of the time it was lubrication issues that I saw. When it’s purely a lubrication issue, the roller of the lifter that rides on the cam lobe locks up which lets the engine run fine but then begins to eat the cam lobe which eventually no longer opens the valve and causes a need for replacement. If I ever have to replace my cam and lifters, I will do a delete on the MDS! Until then, lubrication was to blame more than MDS so I just give the skinny pedal a little more love sometimes lol!!
 

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So I can’t say for certain because, it is my opinion lol, that video along with working at a CDJR (Chrysler, jeep, dodge, Ram) dealership fully convinced me, MDS is not at fault for eating cams but can be blamed for failed lifters. It depends on how they failed. When MDS is at fault, the lifter collapses and the tick you sometimes hear on startup from them or after oil changes doesn’t go away. Ram definitely seemed find a better supplier for lifters than GM because most of the time it was lubrication issues that I saw. When it’s purely a lubrication issue, the roller of the lifter that rides on the cam lobe locks up which lets the engine run fine but then begins to eat the cam lobe which eventually no longer opens the valve and causes a need for replacement. If I ever have to replace my cam and lifters, I will do a delete on the MDS! Until then, lubrication was to blame more than MDS so I just give the skinny pedal a little more love sometimes lol!!
YES! What you've written is a more accurate interpretation of what I had read. I read it a while ago, and although both the cam and lifters were mentioned in the article, as well as lubrication, you're correct. The MDS plays more of a part in "lifter fail" lubrication issues for sure! Thanks for sharing!
 

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sounds like uncle tony

mds = best lubrication for the hemi

look up ram forum hemi tick threads, some good info here going back a decade or better.
 

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Raising the idle rpm a 100 rpm is one of the best things you can do,to help keep the cam and lifters happy in a hemi. It'll take an unlocked pcm and a tune to do though.
 

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Reading threads about hemi tick, and losing lifters and cam gets me all paranoid. My new to me 2009 Laramie has 200k on the clock...hoping the engine has found it's sweet spot of longevity.
 
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