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What does LubeGard do for your engine?Just spike your PUP with LubeGard.
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What does LubeGard do for your engine?Just spike your PUP with LubeGard.
Bimmerworld has the RL in stock with free shipping and no tax, let's do it.I would, especially with prices going up so high you might get similar performance as full sump redline. I think this strategy is even better then lubegard plus PUP. Redline is a balanced formula all by itself, group 3 is neutral, so it wont create any issue, as far as compatibility. We know for a fact the benefits of redline in hemi's, the question is can you get similar benefits with a strategy you suggest. To test it like we did redline, that would take multiple long term uoa's and many people running the same thing, so likely that wont happen. But I subscribe to this, I just think you make group 3 oils better if you do this. I probably subscribe to running 100% redline a little more, but I always hoped some guys would test this, especially any tick killing benefits that might appear.
Barring something unwanted happening I'll commit to at least two cycles of mixed.Sounds good, this is added to what we had posted before from dave about compatibility. As far as mixing and uoa, you might commit to using this blend twice, or just send a bit off w/o a full change, when you do your uoa. Generally speaking the first uoa with redline is a toss away, we really don't know why but subsequent uoa's show how redline is working in any individual hemi.
I wouldnt go mixing high mileage oils with any performance oils, but as the paper out there says what you wanna try is ok. I also understand hemimann's question the benefits, we just dont know.
Do you know if molybdenum is now required to get the gf-6 approval? Or even the gf-5? I know you are at the BITOG just wondering if that was ever discussed, I know the few oils that didnt have moly now do have moly, I wonder if that was a mandate? Does anyone know a general group 3 shelf oil with no moly count? I do believe zero moly might be allowed for certain applications like particulate filter apps, but I wonder about general gas engine spec, is moly required like zinc?Edge ep 0w20 is some good juice
The talk over there is that moly seems to be what some of the "cheaper" oils are using to meet the timing chain wear requirements for API SP and GF6. I dont think its mandated though. I have not seen a moly free oil in a while thats SPDo you know if molybdenum is now required to get the gf-6 approval? Or even the gf-5? I know you are at the BITOG just wondering if that was ever discussed, I know the few oils that didnt have moly now do have moly, I wonder if that was a mandate? Does anyone know a general group 3 shelf oil with no moly count? I do believe zero moly might be allowed for certain applications like particulate filter apps, but I wonder about general gas engine spec, is moly required like zinc?
Hey guys, I've never been interested in lubricants, to me oil was always just ... oil. But with the price of everything going up, I want to get more out of my vehicles. That's why I joined here and started reading. And boy, did I find a lot of good information.
I am interested in making my engines last, so I looked into AmsOil and Red Line. They're both very very expensive, with Red Line slightly more so, but not as expensive as a new engine.
So far I learned that all these commonly available oils are fake synthetics. Only AMSOIL and Red Line are true 100% synthetic. I find AMSOIL to have some strange sales practices, so I looked more into Red Line. I found most information here and on a forum that deals exclusively with lubricants. Wow, I didn't know that there were oil nerds out there!
At $65 a gallon Red Line is very very expensive. I found the discussion bellow on the forum I was talking about. Other than the goofy annotations, the documentation looks legit like it's coming from the manufacturer. It looks like Red Line is now using Group III base oil. I am sorry, but if it's true, then it's absolutely not worth the money.
This would leave Amsoil as the only viable option as it's 100% synthetic. Their documentation and testing seems very thorough.
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I have also found this video documentary about Amsoil:
Al Amatuzio American Success Story
AMSOIL presents “Albert J. Amatuzio: An American Success Story,” a video that details the events that shaped the man who created the world’s first API qualif...www.youtube.com
Amsoil looks to me like a serious company that knows what it's doing.
I'm sorry about the long post but I wanted to get your opinion.
What do you guys think I should do?
Some of what you said there isn't true, but Amsoil is a good oil, I wouldn't hesitate to use it if I wanted to. I use Pennzoil Ultra Platinum myself, most people in this thread lean towards Red Line. I'm reading a bunch on another site about HPL Oils so I may try that out after the next few changes.Good morning everyone, I was wondering if anyone could help me with these questions. I'm sorry for quoting myself, however, it's Cyber Monday and I've found a few, somewhat decent, deals on lube here and there.
Thank you and Happy Cyber Monday!
Redline has two line ups, their high performance line is pao/ester based with high moly, their professional line is over priced group 3 garbage that shouldnt ever be ran because you can buy the same **** cheaper. HPL is similar to Redline, one is ester based and one is more pao based with small difference in visc but large differences in moly. There is no evidence to date to say one if "better" in a hemi then another, so feel free to be one of the first to use HPL as the science appears very solid, plus they have lower zinc which it plenty ok since the moily boost. HPL in theory might be a tad better then the vooidoo juice we all know and love.Good morning everyone, I was wondering if anyone could help me with these questions. I'm sorry for quoting myself, however, it's Cyber Monday and I've found a few, somewhat decent, deals on lube here and there.
Thank you and Happy Cyber Monday!
What's the risk with the viscosity? Is 0W-40 that thick? It's a 0W, so it should have no viscosity to it, especially since it stretches all the way to 40. At least that's what my service advisor said.Amsoi 20 and 30 not in the same class to be honest, but there 0w40 is better then redlines 0w40 plus it is a great choice for a 5.7, the risk is yours as far as visc but so far so good with full intervals on amsoil ss 0w40 in the mds hemi.
0w40 only means it is the thinnest it can be for a 40 weight, the 0 is winter rating not really viscosity related, I will post a couple more viscosity graphs so you understand. 0w40 is thicker then 5w30 or 10w30, or 5w20, or 20/20. However, 0w40 is a special weight for oils, the info is in the thread I can't spend this much time posting why. Most of them are really 5w30 in disguise, now amsoil is different as it is built to be on the other end of 40 weight, the thick end. Amsoil is stout with great hths and noack viscosity, but it is thick. So it is possible to get a CEL for oil weight, it seams like this is more myth then facts, but there have been a couple so called CEL's for this over the last decade.Is this HPL? -> https://www.hploil.com/
They look like just about any other small brand with big claims. Honestly, they're not very confidence inspiring.
What's the risk with the viscosity? Is 0W-40 that thick? It's a 0W, so it should have no viscosity to it, especially since it stretches all the way to 40. At least that's what my service advisor said.
Thanks for the help.
My Hemi Tick is GONE - 2022 Ram 1500 Purrs Like a Kitten Now!
No more curious looks from bystanders when I first start my truck now. Cool! #ram1500 #hemitick #trucksyoutu.be
Looks like the "improved" lifters are having issues as well. Notice the new Valvoline with high moly he's using...
No. This is HPL, and they make great products.Is this HPL? -> https://www.hploil.com/
Thank you very much for taking the time to help me. I won't touch 0W-40. I don't understand it. My friend Sam, who's a certified technician, says that it's for weird European engines. He says that the only one to use is the special SRT 0W-40, and only in the 6.2 and 6.4 Hemis. He probably knows what he's talking about. He's been doing this for a long time.0w40 only means it is the thinnest it can be for a 40 weight, the 0 is winter rating not really viscosity related, I will post a couple more viscosity graphs so you understand. 0w40 is thicker then 5w30 or 10w30, or 5w20, or 20/20. However, 0w40 is a special weight for oils, the info is in the thread I can't spend this much time posting why. Most of them are really 5w30 in disguise, now amsoil is different as it is built to be on the other end of 40 weight, the thick end.
I have a friend who uses Amsoil 5W-30 in his 2011 Accord. I can't get over how beautiful that oil looks when he pours it into the engine. It's like liquid gold. He said that the color comes from the special anti wear additives and the pure 100% synthetic oil. It didn't look that thick to me. So I'm confused now, which Amsoil can I use so I don't CEL?Amsoil is stout with great hths and noack viscosity, but it is thick. So it is possible to get a CEL for oil weight, it seams like this is more myth then facts, but there have been a couple so called CEL's for this over the last decade.
Oh wow, that's literally truck diesel oil! I'm not gonna touch that stuff. I don't need to wreck my engine. Thank you for the advice, you saved me from potentially making a catastrophic mistake. I saw Mobil 1 for Europeean vehicles 0W-40 on Rollback and wanted to buy that. Glad I didn't. Yep, Sam was right.Oil weight as we understand it is how thick it is at engine operating temps, and 0w40 is just as thick as 15w40 in most cases, the difference is they add vii's to get better cold performance, but it is the same "thickness".
Oh Jesus, that's a scetchy looking website!No. This is HPL, and they make great products.
You can buy here.
after all it is advanced, lol.My Hemi Tick is GONE - 2022 Ram 1500 Purrs Like a Kitten Now!
No more curious looks from bystanders when I first start my truck now. Cool! #ram1500 #hemitick #trucksyoutu.be
Looks like the "improved" lifters are having issues as well. Notice the new Valvoline with high moly he's using...