2016 6.4 Exhaust

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I've searched until my eys are bleeding but I cannot find what I want. It seems there was a thread several months ago by a member who put a DIY exhaust system together for his truck....and I cannot find it.

It seemed he or she, started with replacement of the merge and muffler. He also did a resonator delete. Again, I just can't find it.

So, I'm thinking that I'll start with a 2.5 in and 3.5 our merge back to an aftermarket muffler. I'll use the factory over axle pipe, which I'll cut the resonator off and extend to bring the outlet to the side of the bed.

My new truck is a 2016 PW.

So my questions are...

1. Are the factory pipes prior to the merge in fact, 2.5"?

2. Curious about specific muffler recommendations from those who have changed them.

Kind of anxious to order some parts and get started.

And FWIW, some interesting information:

"Easy Way To Estimate: Your intake system needs to flow 1.5 CFM per engine horsepower, and your exhaust system needs to flow 2.2 CFM per engine horsepower.

Good Way To Estimate: Take engine RPM x engine displacement, then divide by two. This is the intake volume. Use this same volume of air for the exhaust system, but then correct for thermal expansion (you need to know exhaust temps to figure things out).

Exhaust Pipe Size Estimate: A good section of straight pipe will flow about 115 CFM per square inch of area. Here’s a quick table that shows how many CFM each common pipe size will flow, as well as the estimated max horsepower for each pipe size:

Pipe Diameter, Pipe area, Total CFM (est.), Max HP Per Pipe, Max HP For A Dual Pipe System
1 1/2 1.48 171 78 155
1 5/8 1.77 203 92 185
1 3/4 2.07 239 108 217
2 2.76 318 144 289
2 1/4 3.55 408 185 371
2 1/2 4.43 509 232 463
2 3/4 5.41 622 283 566
3 6.49 747 339 679
3 1/4 7.67 882 401 802
3 1/2 8.95 1029 468 935
NOTE: These numbers are just estimates. All pipes are assumed to be 16 gauge steel.


The table above is probably over-estimating pipe size, but you can see that a 400 hp vehicle with a dual exhaust system only needs 2 1/4 – 2 1/2 inch pipes. Anything larger is overkill."

It also appears that 3.5" is sized correctly for the factory hp rating.
 

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I did a muffler exchange and a resonator delete, keeping it to a single pipe to the rear.

I really wanted to do a single in / dual out muffler but with the self leveling rear air suspension and fuel tank locations there's no place to run a pipe back on the driver's side.
 

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I just found a Magnaflow 12909 for $120, so I think I'll buy it.

Is that Magna flow muffler bolt on? Bolt off oem muffler and bolted that one on. I'm looking for for a bolt on like mufflex. $ 120 is cheaper than mufflex.
 

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There is no other direct bolt on available unless you go to a full cat-back system.
 

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This is mine on my 2015 6.4L

I used the stock front section, added the Flowmaster and a 3.5" straight pipe to make up the length of the stock muffler. Then I used the factory over the axle pipe after cutting out the resonator. Welded in a straight 3.5" pipe the length of the resonator and painted that flat black with high temp paint. It now blends in and sounds great to me.

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This is mine on my 2015 6.4L

I used the stock front section, added the Flowmaster and a 3.5" straight pipe to make up the length of the stock muffler. Then I used the factory over the axle pipe after cutting out the resonator. Welded in a straight 3.5" pipe the length of the resonator and painted that flat black with high temp paint. It now blends in and sounds great to me.

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Super 40?
 
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Finally got the muffler installed and eliminated the resonator. It now has a couple of hundred miles on it...both in town and on the road.

My thoughts....

It seems to have helped DD performance. I take an on ramp daily on my way home that is a pretty good pull. Before the new muffler, the truck would lay over and unless I forced a downshift, it would just lay there like a ****. With the new muffler it pulled smoothly up to 70 mph like it should. That is a plus.

Time will tell on the mileage, but it "seems" to be 1/2 - 1 mpg better from watching the lie-o-meter. My normal mileage from home to town and back usually indicates 13.8 - 14.2. Over the last 200 miles it is up around 14.8... but time will tell on mileage. I keep every tank on Fuelly, so it should manifest itself over the next few tanks if the perceived increase is real.

The sound is completely different. It now has a low, mellow sound at idle. On the highway at 70 there is virtually no difference between the sound from before the change to now. It is amazing how quiet it remains at highway speed.

The real difference and the downside is the sound in the cab at 1500 rpm. Unloaded at 1500 there is some increased sound over stock, but not objectionable. However, when you load the engine and give it some throttle but no increase isn speed, there is drone. It is enough to be objectionable. It does bother me if it occurs for any length of time, but there is a cure. If it starts to drone, downshift and get the engine up around 2000 rpm and the drone is gone. In fact, think any slight increase or decrease in engine speed causes the drone to go away.

The other negative is the sound when the MDS is active. The low rumble from the MDS and the stock exhaust system has become an uneven almost popping noise. It is not loud, but you can hear it. It is not nearly as intrusive as the drone at 1500 rpm however.

All in all, it is a good mod from my perspective. The improvement in driveability by itself makes this a good mod. The negatives from drone are not enough to make me rethink this. Make the truck downshift and the drone goes away.

FWIW....
 

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Glad you like the upgrade! I like my setup a lot.
 

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Magnaflow Part # 19200

You will still need to disable mds though or it will sound like crap....

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Magnaflow Part # 19200

You will still need to disable mds though or it will sound like crap....

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Not going to disable anything....and it doesn't sound like crap. It's just different.
 
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This is mine on my 2015 6.4L

I used the stock front section, added the Flowmaster and a 3.5" straight pipe to make up the length of the stock muffler. Then I used the factory over the axle pipe after cutting out the resonator. Welded in a straight 3.5" pipe the length of the resonator and painted that flat black with high temp paint. It now blends in and sounds great to me.

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This is exactly how mine was done.
 

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Not going to disable anything....and it doesn't sound like crap. It's just different.
Well that's subjective, I just like my hemi to sound like a v8 not a v4....
Mine runs smoother and gets better mileage with mds disabled.
Running full magnaflow system, cai and Diablo tune.

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Well that's subjective, I just like my hemi to sound like a v8 not a v4....
Mine runs smoother and gets better mileage with mds disabled.
Running full magnaflow system, cai and Diablo tune.

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Then you are a stud.

And you are correct, the sound is subjective....and mine sounds OK to me. I may change my mind later, dunno. It ****** me off though when some internet know-it-alls feel the need to tell me what I need to do to my junk.

Now if you had described your install and stated that it was pleasing to you, that, would have been different.

I spent some time driving mine on the interstate, on county roads, and around town yesterday and the only thing I don't like, is the drone at 1500 rpm. It is not too bad though and is manageable.

And MMM, your install is the one I was trying to find before I started this thread. Mine's the same except the shop added a section of straight pipe to fill in where the resonator was removed and welded the factory extension back on, resulting in the tip being in the factory location. It appears stock from the back and side except for the missing resonator.
 

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Sorry if I offended you, perhaps I could have worded my post better...
I was just trying to let you know my experience with full exhaust and tune.
It seems aftermarket systems are tuned for running on all 8, as they probably assume most people who fit them are using a custom tune and disabling mds.
It's quite an expensive exercise by the time you buy a full exhaust/tuner/ecu (on later models).
I tried stock tune with mds disabled, 91 octane with mds enabled and disabled and best economy and performance was 91 octane with mds disabled. Disabling mds also gets rid of the drone and high frequency vibration that some engines seem to have with mds active.


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