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[Docwagon1776]

That's one thing you don't see mentioned,is the fact there's a fairly good sized Lithinium battery in the cab,sitting very close to where alot of Babies are postioned. If i was a young parent with kids strapped into carseats right in front of that battery,i'd sure be asking questions about how healthy or safe it is for my children

If we're playing competing harms, I suspect an enclosed lithium battery is less harmful to children than breathing the emissions resulting from idling motors in traffic. Kids handle lithium battery powered devices constantly from a very young age now, tablets and toys and phones.

There haven't been reports of fires from the battery. Again, just supposition, but I'd strongly guess any impact significant enough to rupture that battery wasn't a survivable impact to any meat based occupants of the vehicle anyway.

 

[crash68]

You're the oddball then

No he's not,
That groove down the middle of the lower door panels looks like something sideswiped the truck. The rest of the truck looks good though

 

[Wild one]

If we're playing competing harms, I suspect an enclosed lithium battery is less harmful to children than breathing the emissions resulting from idling motors in traffic. Kids handle lithium battery powered devices constantly from a very young age now, tablets and toys and phones.

There haven't been reports of fires from the battery. Again, just supposition, but I'd strongly guess any impact significant enough to rupture that battery wasn't a survivable impact to any meat based occupants of the vehicle anyway.

You're thinking of head on style collisions,what about something coming through the box and rupturing the battery,like a piece of pipe or steel etc. There's a few scenerio's i can think of where the battery could be a liability to passengers in the back seat

 

[Docwagon1776]

You're thinking of head on style collisions,what about something coming through the box and rupturing the battery,like a piece of pipe or steel etc. There's a few scenerio's i can think of where the battery could be a liability to passengers in the back seat

I'm thinking of crashed trucks in general, and the resulting level of cabin intrusion or damage, frame damage, etc. I don't do it these days, but I've been on plenty of fatalities.

 

[Wild one]

I'm thinking of crashed trucks in general, and the resulting level of cabin intrusion or damage, frame damage, etc. I don't do it these days, but I've been on plenty of fatalities.

I drove tow truck for abit as a kid in the mountains,and seen several accidents where things came through the box. A 2" diameter piece of pipe or I-beam etc,even a 4X4 piece of wood,laying on the floor of the box,can become a hell'va spear,even in a minor collision and rupture a battery easily

 

[Riccochet]

If I'm being honest I'd rather see a new gas engine for the 2500/3500. Something like a 7.0L 426 simple pushrod V8. Give it 450 HP and 500 ft/lbs. And it would be easy to do at the factory as the 6.4 can be stroked to 7.0.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I drove tow truck for abit as a kid in the mountains,and seen several accidents where things came through the box. A 2" diameter piece of pipe or I-beam etc,even a 4X4 piece of wood,laying on the floor of the box,can become a hell'va spear,even in a minor collision and rupture a battery easily

Something in the bed of the truck may come through the glass, but it's not punching through the metal of the bed, the air gap, and the metal of the cab. On a trailer where the truck has deceleration prior to the "spear" starting deceleration, more likely. Semi with very long heavy pipe resulting in high sectional density, sure. But meat won't stop those either.

What ifs aside, if it were a concern I think we'd have documented cases. Plenty of Jeeps and Rams with these involved in serious crashes, submerged events, the meat in a two semi sandwich, etc. But we aren't seeing documented cases of etorque battery fires. The gas lines under the hood remain a much more significant risk in a crash.

 

[markabby]

if they do, i sure hope that "tick" has been cured

 

[FIRE UP]

I didn't read every word of every answer but, for the life of me, I don't know what "MDS" is.
Scott

 

[Wild one]

I didn't read every word of every answer but, for the life of me, I don't know what "MDS" is.
Scott

multiple displacement system,it's where the engine drops cylinders for milege/emissions

 

[Wild one]

Something in the bed of the truck may come through the glass, but it's not punching through the metal of the bed, the air gap, and the metal of the cab. On a trailer where the truck has deceleration prior to the "spear" starting deceleration, more likely. Semi with very long heavy pipe resulting in high sectional density, sure. But meat won't stop those either.

What ifs aside, if it were a concern I think we'd have documented cases. Plenty of Jeeps and Rams with these involved in serious crashes, submerged events, the meat in a two semi sandwich, etc. But we aren't seeing documented cases of etorque battery fires. The gas lines under the hood remain a much more significant risk in a crash.

Seen it twice where a chunk of heavy wall pipe has went through the box and cab and lodged itself into the dash/firewall,also seen an 8 ft chunk of 4" I-beam go through the cab.Takes more then a box and cab to stop a 150+ lbs of steel moving at 70 mph and coming to a virtual instant stop

 

[F8thful]

I have a 19 eTorque Laramie and love it. 125k and no issues thus far. If they drop a 6.4 in a crew cab ram or any engine for that matter that’s a V8(hard no on the turbo 6’s) with more power than the current 5.7 and they’ll have me dead to rights. My truck is great, but there’s no substitute for more power. I’d love to grab a 25 but just can’t have a truck without the V8 grumble. I tuned mine with intake, Kooks(never again) long tubes, and a Borla catback. Love the power gains, but a bigger displacement engine or at least a starting point of more 8cyl grunt is what it will take for me to say screw future me and reset my monthly payment schedule!

 

[Docwagon1776]

Seen it twice where a chunk of heavy wall pipe has went through the box and cab and lodged itself into the dash/firewall,also seen an 8 ft chunk of 4" I-beam go through the cab.Takes more then a box and cab to stop a 150+ lbs of steel moving at 70 mph and coming to a virtual instant stop

Sounds like it would have went through child seats as well, then, no? The lesson there is probably not "etorque is a concern" when you're talking about things punching through the entire cabin.

Enough sectional density will punch through anything, and I doubt many people hauling their children are also hauling an 8' I beam in a half ton... and heavy wall pipe vs the more mundane 2x4 and the light pipe from Home Depot. We're getting fairly far afield from the original concern expressed.

That said, if a vehicle fire is your major concern with children in the vehicle the larger threat remains the fuel system in an ICE vehicle of any type. EVs set fire more often sitting still, ICE set fire more often from crashes. However the whole concern is still focused on a tiny percentage of fatalities where a vehicle fire occurs but the crash was otherwise survivable.

 

[Wild one]

Sounds like it would have went through child seats as well, then, no? The lesson there is probably not "etorque is a concern" when you're talking about things punching through the entire cabin.

Enough sectional density will punch through anything, and I doubt many people hauling their children are also hauling an 8' I beam in a half ton... and heavy wall pipe vs the more mundane 2x4 and the light pipe from Home Depot. We're getting fairly far afield from the original concern expressed.

That said, if a vehicle fire is your major concern with children in the vehicle the larger threat remains the fuel system in an ICE vehicle of any type. EVs set fire more often sitting still, ICE set fire more often from crashes. However the whole concern is still focused on a tiny percentage of fatalities where a vehicle fire occurs but the crash was otherwise survivable.

You won't believe what gets hauled in the back of a truck here,it's redneck oilpatch and farming territory up here
Don't tell me you've never seen anybody carry a rearend or engine in the box of a truck,you've probably carried them yourself at some point in time
There should be more ICE truck crashes and fires then EV truck crashes and fires,there's a hell'va lot more ICE trucks on the road then there are EV trucks I'd hazard a guess there's probably at least a 100+ ICE trucks on the road for every EV truck,so when the odds are stacked like that,of course there's going to be more ICE fires
Kind of curious on why you leapt on me Doc,i only commented on post #9 Dans post about his thoughts on the safety of the battery being located in the cab,why nothing said about his post.Clue me into why you didn't say squat until i made a comment

 

[FIRE UP]

multiple displacement system,it's where the engine drops cylinders for milege/emissions

Thank you for the explanation. In other brands, that's called "Cylinder deactivation".

 

[DanAR]

FYI, you may already know but the E-torque system has an 80,000 mile warranty.

It was one of several concerns that caused me to get an extended warranty, although a most significant one. My last vehicle I drove 11 years. But other issues were the fact the truck is a rolling computer and electronics gizmo, the Hemi tic, exhaust manifolds, air suspension, rear window, etc.

 

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

The 48-volt battery is a fire hazzard where it located, if you have water intrusion from the back window the battery pack and the RF Hub is in danger, how many reported on here have had failures.

 

[GTyankee]

Gas Tanks were removed from the Cab because of the Hazard

That Lithium Battery being in the same area is really just as hazardous

 

[huntergreen]

You won't believe what gets hauled in the back of a truck here,it's redneck oilpatch and farming territory up here
Don't tell me you've never seen anybody carry a rearend or engine in the box of a truck,you've probably carried them yourself at some point in time
There should be more ICE truck crashes and fires then EV truck crashes and fires,there's a hell'va lot more ICE trucks on the road then there are EV trucks I'd hazard a guess there's probably at least a 100+ ICE trucks on the road for every EV truck,so when the odds are stacked like that,of course there's going to be more ICE fires
Kind of curious on why you leapt on me Doc,i only commented on post #9 Dans post about his thoughts on the safety of the battery being located in the cab,why nothing said about his post.Clue me into why you didn't say squat until i made a comment

Valid point, but imho, the bigger question is what are the term effects of low level arMF on babies and adults. Current studies say they are harmless, yet I can’t find the data on the control groups.

 

[Docwagon1776]

You won't believe what gets hauled in the back of a truck here,it's redneck oilpatch and farming territory up here
Don't tell me you've never seen anybody carry a rearend or engine in the box of a truck,you've probably carried them yourself at some point in time
There should be more ICE truck crashes and fires then EV truck crashes and fires,there's a hell'va lot more ICE trucks on the road then there are EV trucks I'd hazard a guess there's probably at least a 100+ ICE trucks on the road for every EV truck,so when the odds are stacked like that,of course there's going to be more ICE fires
Kind of curious on why you leapt on me Doc,i only commented on post #9 Dans post about his thoughts on the safety of the battery being located in the cab,why nothing said about his post.Clue me into why you didn't say squat until i made a comment

I didn't jump on you. I responded to "If i was a young parent with kids strapped into carseats right in front of that battery,i'd sure be asking questions about how healthy or safe it is for my children"

So I answered the question. It's a non-issue. You're further proving it. With all those rednecks and unsecured loads, how many fires from damaged batteries are getting documented?

All of the things you are mentioning that will go through a cab will just as easily go through a car seat. As you'll recall, what I said was any impact that could damage the battery to the point of fire would be an impact that wouldn't be survivable to the occupants anyway. Is the engine in the box not going to wipe out the kids before it wipes out the battery? What exactly are we debating here?

Probability of a fire from a crash is not the same as total number of fires. How many ICE vehicles vs how many EV vehicles is irrelevant to probability.