2012 5.7 hemi trouble

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For the record guys I own a small excavation company with about a dozen engines in service. My Kenworth has 475 hp and about 1,400 ft/lbs of torque with weight as much as 80,000 lbs.

I have not had an engine problem in any of them and most are way older than this Ram.
 

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I cant see a modern engine with regular oil changes sludging up in 27k. If the PCV was that bad I would think there would be other issues.
 

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So what was the reason for the sludge buildup in the bottom of the pan per the dealer ?
Did they say it was the PCV ?
 
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Warranty department said lack of maintenance, meaning no oil changes, caused the problem.
 

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Damn man that sucks. Still don't understand how there was that much sludge in the bottom end...

I'm a little worried as I've been doing my own oil changes...
 
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Damn man that sucks. Still don't understand how there was that much sludge in the bottom end...

I'm a little worried as I've been doing my own oil changes...


I am not trying to worry anybody. I have stated facts from my experience as best I can.

I have seen the threads about different oil and the such that guys are using. In my mind better oil than the dealer uses. If you want to be covered under warranty for anything that might happen to your motor you better get it changed at the dealer. Even if you have it changed at a chain store they will say it was the oil. Having it changed at the dealer takes that loop hole out of play. Their words not mine.

I have no idea what happened to make mine sludge up but it did happen and not covered under warranty
 

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Some other underlying issue at play here. It's a tad disturbing that while doing some research for this thread, I saw that Dodge/ Chrysler products were specifically included in a list including VW and Audi that are know for sludging issues.

****** deal man.

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It would of been nice to have an oil analysis done before the motor was torn apart. Sludge at 27k is not normal. Doesn't your truck have the oil life monitoring. I know this goes by duty cycle, but at a minimum the history of when this was reset should give an indication of when oil changes were performed. Oil sludge, is due to excessive heat, moisture, or bad oil. Did they do a leak down test, have you looked at the head and intake gaskets? If they were leaking, moisture could definetly be the issue and an oil analysis would nail it right away. If it were me I would not let the dealer touch it if they are charging you. For the money a crate 392 and is obtainable, if doing your own labor, and it comes wIth a warranty too.
 

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I'm struggling with this thread. So a bad oil pump pick up screen does what? Is it clogged? Not allowing the pump to pull up oil? Wouldn't it have shown low oil pressure somewhere along the way?
 

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The only Chrysler engine that I'm aware of that was notorious for oil sludge issues was the old 2.7l 6 cylinder. That engine with dino oil needed 3k oci or there were oil sludge issues.
 

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Have you talked to someone directly to FCA or is everything coming to you through the dealership?

If not already done, I would call FCA customer care and start a case through them and run with it. Get push back from them, threaten to lawyer up and if needed, spend a little to get a lawyer to send them a letter threatening civil legal action. I have a feeling they are playing the bluff game and once you push back, they will buckle unless there is something missing from your story we do not know about?
 

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The only Chrysler engine that I'm aware of that was notorious for oil sludge issues was the old 2.7l 6 cylinder. That engine with dino oil needed 3k oci or there were oil sludge issues.

Had one of those in our '98 Intrepid. To be more precise- we had two of those engines in that Intrepid. When the second started smoking like crazy and the transmission started slipping, off to the trade in gods it went. Worst vehicle we'd ever owned.
 
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I'm struggling with this thread. So a bad oil pump pick up screen does what? Is it clogged? Not allowing the pump to pull up oil? Wouldn't it have shown low oil pressure somewhere along the way?

Yes it is clogged not allowing oil to be pumped or at least not enough oil. The screen and tube both have sludge issues.

Motor showed no indication of trouble until all hell broke lose. BTW when changing the oil I never saw any indication of trouble.
 

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I'd start contacting Dodge, the owner of the dealership, and BBB. No reason why the engine should have sludge issues anymore, especially with such low miles. Something else caused the sludge and if they want to continue doing business, they will have your back. IF not, I'd have the truck hauled to a different dealer, in parts if needed! The worst thing a dealer can have is a poor reputation and an unhappy customer. Word spreads quickly now days!
 
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I contacted a person that I kind off know from another Chrysler dealer close by. They did some inside digging for me both through Chrysler and contacts they have at the dealer my truck is at.

Bottom line is they confirmed that I will not get any warranty help.
 

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I contacted a person that I kind off know from another Chrysler dealer close by. They did some inside digging for me both through Chrysler and contacts they have at the dealer my truck is at.

Bottom line is they confirmed that I will not get any warranty help.

Your business and your life, but I sure as **** would not have rolled over on this so easily if the facts as you have stated are 100% and correct.
 

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Sounds like it is an exhaust leak into the engine.

I had a 302 Ford that sludged up severely in 70k miles, always changed oil and filter around 5k.

When I pulled the engine apart, on the bottom of the intake manifold the cross over plate from both heads that helped warm the carb area was a 2 inch tear in the metal. Sabotage from the factory, plan and simple. It was rammed on something to cause the tear, scrapes were there to prove it. Fought long and hard with Ford for some compensation, but it was not to be.

Anyway, if as you say you took due diligence in your oil and filters I would expect some kind of exhaust leak into the engine.
 

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Only your area rep can void the warranty.. which is the very person you were trying have meet you unfortunately...
Had a similar experience with a transmission issue I had. Local are rep Wanda Cunningham yanked my warranty cause the idiot Trans Tech said it looked like someone might have worked on it before...
Long story short.. I finally got ahold of the right person way up in customer retention that authorized the repair at another dealer.. turned out there were bolts missing out of my valve body....
Case in point they fixed it all with enough persistence
 

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Very sad horror story this thread is. I'm sorry to hear this.

Can't you perhaps pickup your truck and have other independent expert do investigation of exactly what caused this issue? If you're 100% sure you did changed oil regularly, then truth is on your side and there Must be other explainable reason that caused the issue!!

Isn't there official notice somewhere or service bulletin in Chrysler service book somewhere that agrees that sludge in new engine may have developed because some other issue besides lack of oil changes? Same as previously mentioned by others who have commented?

If you can find some sort of official service bulletin that talks about sludge building up in engine besides lack of oil change, and then you can do independent expertise on your engine that may be able to connect this reason, then you may get the warranty..

Maybe try to hire some ram mechanic from another dealership so they can search their database on other reasons what may have caused this issue besides lack of oil changes.

This is not rocket science, it's just truck engines... I would think that experienced Ram technicians who would be on your side will be able to get to bottom of this issue and help you prove it wasn't your fault.

Good luck, hope that you'll get to the bottom of this and truth will prevale.
 

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Tractors that use universal tractor fluid have sludge issues.
There is no PCV on tractors, especially the vintage type.

The universal tractor fluid is used in tractors with a common reservoir that serves
both the manual transmission and the hydraulic system.

This reservoir is typically open to the atmosphere.
Tractors tend not be operated on a daily basis and it would take a life time to get 27,000 miles on one,
since the ground speed is usually less than five mph.

There are several types of sludge.
There is the type of sludge called coke where the motor oil is subjected to a cokng process within the engine
where the oil burns based on absorbing excess free carbon into the oil as a product of combustion.
Synthetic oil has less tendency to form coke than conventional oil because the molecules comprising the synthetic oil are more uniform in size and smaller than average size of conventional oil molecules. Conventional oil has a lage variation of molecule sizes.
The smaller oil molecules in conventional oil evaporate leaving the oil thicker with higher percentage of larger molecules.
Conventional oil will coke up faster than synthetic oil. Synthetic has less tendency to coke than conventional.
This is the type of sludge that is formed as a result of infrequent OCI.
This is type of sludge your RAM dealer believes formed in the engine.
If this is the type of sludge that formed in the engine the valve rockers would have black deposits of geltin.

Another type of sludge that is more common in tractors than road vehicles is a result of water vapor.
Road vehicles can also form this type of sludge if not started and run on a regular basis.

The engine sump is normally open to atmosphere to keep it non pressurized during operation.
Moisture laden air migrates into the engine sump at night when the temperature of the air cools, especially in very humid areas like western Oregon.
The water vapor in the cool air condenses on the top of the oil in the sump.
Since the water specific gravity is greater than the specific gravity of the motor oil or tractor fluid, the water sinks to the bottom of the oil sump.
The water and the oil form a type of so called sludge mixture in the bottom. The motor oil pump pick up tube and filter screen are also located near the bottom of the oil sump. The pick screen becomes restricted with water\ oil sludge mixture , so the oil pump produces less pressure becuase of restricted flow.
This why most engines are designed for the oil to operate at a temperatures greater than 200F, so the water is evaporated or even boiled out of the oil during operation.
If the engine is not started and run on a regular basis this type of sludge will buld up in the sump, if conventional , blend or full synthetic is used.
Even draining out the oil will not drain out the sludge build up in the sump. It is too thick to drain out.

In my opinion this is the type of sludge that formed in the oil sump and caused low oil pressure.
It did not ruin the engine. Remove the pan, clean out the sludge, install the pan, fill up the engine with about any oil on the market, except group 1 straight mineral oi,l since that type of will sludge up the easiest.
Start the engine at least once a week and let it run for about 20-30 minutes to evaporate out the water that mixed with oil.

Understand natural whale oil is a very good oil, trying to find any volunteers for the 5.7 Hemi.
It is biodegradable.
 
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