2015 6.4 Hemi valve train is smoked and getting a new motor

[Hugh Kerrigan]

I would only use stock air filtration on an engine under warranty. Great news!

I think the K&N is an upgrade. They didn’t say anything. I’ve never had the truck serviced by a dealer either. I always changed my oil at my shop and they said nothing about the lack of service history either. They know it’s a problem and weren’t going to question anything. I have to say that the guys at Drivers Village in NY were great! They know I’m out of state and will likely never buy anything from them, but they still treated me well and got the job done in about 5-6 days. My total out of pocket was $1672 +- for towing, plugs, trans lines, trans flush, belt, labor on aftermaths parts removed, etc... I’m questioning the transmission lines. Those should be part of the warranty I think. They said there was corrosion and they might not go back on good. I thought if oil/fluid run through it it’s part of the power train. Thoughts?

Merry Christmas [emoji319]


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[WhiteStar]

Hey guys and gals, I’m new here, but active on other forums. I own a few trucks, but I’m posting about my 2015 2500 w/ 6.4 at 98,000 miles on it. From the day I got it it had a tick, but that tick made a screech the other day and then went away. Fast forward a few hundred miles and my truck is dead! The motor sounded like it was full of broken metal parts. Lol! I did a little research and found out that it’s kind of a common problem. I did see others had the same issue with check engine code for a misfire on cylinder 6. I figured it was bad gas and to be safe installed a new coil pack. What should I expect them to find? Will I get a new motor or will they rebuild? Anything I should ask them to do? Thank goodness I’m still in warranty! The trucks up in NY at Drivers Village Dodge. Thanks for any input and happy holidays!!

Hugh


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Did yours sound like this?

 

[Hugh Kerrigan]

Did yours sound like this?

Unfortunately yes. It made a screeching noise one day and went back to the tick, but the tick was louder. A couple hundred miles before it totally went, it started getting hard to start too, like the battery was going or the starter was getting weak.


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[Hugh Kerrigan]

So my brother just got the truck. He said it sounds great! No Hemi tick anymore. Replaced with “NEW” long block from the factory. He said a quick look at the paperwork shows $11k worth or warranty repairs. I’ll update when I have said papers in my hand. Merry Christmas


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[Hugh Kerrigan]

@WhiteStar are you getting a check engine light? How many miles are on the pretty white truck? I tried to get the mechanics notes, but got some resistance. I was told what I have is a translated version mixed in with all the paper work. I’m interested to see what the “catastrophic failure” really was. All I know is they didn’t ask any questions and gave me a new motor, but I’ll dig into the “book” my brother said he’s bring back with him. Lol! The service manager told him I have a 3 year 100k mile warranty on the new motor, which I’m ok with. I wish you the best of luck and hope you get the same kind of treatment from FCA as I did. That’s if you need it, let’s hope you don’t.


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[scott lass 18]

Hey guys and gals, I’m new here, but active on other forums. I own a few trucks, but I’m posting about my 2015 2500 w/ 6.4 at 98,000 miles on it. From the day I got it it had a tick, but that tick made a screech the other day and then went away. Fast forward a few hundred miles and my truck is dead! The motor sounded like it was full of broken metal parts. Lol! I did a little research and found out that it’s kind of a common problem. I did see others had the same issue with check engine code for a misfire on cylinder 6. I figured it was bad gas and to be safe installed a new coil pack. What should I expect them to find? Will I get a new motor or will they rebuild? Anything I should ask them to do? Thank goodness I’m still in warranty! The trucks up in NY at Drivers Village Dodge. Thanks for any input and happy holidays!!

Hugh


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being ready to hear this more and more ! hope mine stays fine 59,000 on it but did a lot of work to prevent it so hope I m right ! look on u tube codes sp-301 all kinds of sad fun ! and see when it says a plug or coil or fuel injector then sady urs I bet lifters went needle bearings are going bad actually met a guy spent 5,000 himself to fix 115,000 miles on his ! should be on ur warranty have them repair it and ask to see lifters when intake is removed keep a eye on them on all the work seen to much fake repairs ok ! ow say u use 5w-20 ok here they try to blame u ? if u love ur truck keeping 10 years then a new motor of if cheaper good price and a warranty 6 years maybe ! but its over 5,000 fix told ok maybe more hope urs is covered i d just get it fix after a oil change go amsoil or royal purple oil ok ! then read on using a turner turn of mds hope good for 100,000 miles ok !

 

[scott lass 18]

Hi Hugh, Someone on this forum posted the video (link below) about hemi valvetrains. I don't remember who did it, but I thank him/her, and it should show you what may have happened to your motor. If the link doesn't work, look on youtube for gearheads and hemi valvetrains.


I just saw you're getting a new motor for free (other than all the aggravation), YAY!

BTW: This problem isn't new, I had '68 327 Chevy with flat cam. Same indication, pulled rocker cover and saw a rocker not rockin'.

Hi Hugh,

I do apologize for the trouble you are experiencing with your truck. Please be sure to keep us updated on your dealer's findings. If we can be of any additional assistance while your truck is in service, we would be happy to help.

Mark
RamCares

so why havent there been a recall on lifter s is a problem with a lot of trucks ? sadly my next truck wont be a ram sadly know a costly repair saw years back maybe on a race car sad to see this but new it would come up waitting 8 years sucks now !

 

[scott lass 18]

It always had a tick. I was told by everyone that it’s just how the Hemi is. Now I know that’s BS. I don’t have it back yet. They called yesterday and said it should be ready today and that the lines going to the trans are ****** looking, I need new ones and it’s going to cost another $400+-. I find that odd tho because that truck was fluid filmed every winter and there’s not a speck of rust anywhere on it.


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go to a trainsmission place be cheeper to fix they only use perfict hoses yes u may even see if they show u ! counldnt beleave on my old chevy was sooo much tougher hose cheeper too 100.00

 

[Wild one]

go to a trainsmission place be cheeper to fix they only use perfict hoses yes u may even see if they show u ! counldnt beleave on my old chevy was sooo much tougher hose cheeper too 100.00

Hey dude have you been drinking,lol. I have to almost stand on my head to read your last few posts,lol

 

[WhiteStar]

@WhiteStar are you getting a check engine light? How many miles are on the pretty white truck? I tried to get the mechanics notes, but got some resistance. I was told what I have is a translated version mixed in with all the paper work. I’m interested to see what the “catastrophic failure” really was. All I know is they didn’t ask any questions and gave me a new motor, but I’ll dig into the “book” my brother said he’s bring back with him. Lol! The service manager told him I have a 3 year 100k mile warranty on the new motor, which I’m ok with. I wish you the best of luck and hope you get the same kind of treatment from FCA as I did. That’s if you need it, let’s hope you don’t.


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There's only about 6,500 miles on it now but it's been rattling like that since day one! It just keeps on getting worse. I've been to three dealers and the last one opened a STAR case. All they did is have the dealer drain the oil to look for "bearing material". They didn't send the oil out for analysis, they just looked at the oil. The service manager said they didn't see anything and was told by STAR to give the truck back without repairing it. This after having it for over two weeks! As evidenced in the last video it just keeps getting worse. FCA keeps selling these engines KNOWING that they have manufacturing defects. Maybe when it has a catastrophic failure and leaves me stranded on the side of the road like you they might repair it.

 

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

Hi, All how about when you take the oil filter off you cut it in half and check for metal fragments and have the oil analyzed the way these engines are tearing themselves up all because of roller lifter needle bearings failing, I've read that the 6.4 has a larger roller pin why cant FCA drop the contract with the *** company thats making these needle bearings

 

[Hugh Kerrigan]

So after looking at my paperwork, they are saying that it was a rod bearing that went. I’m not a mechanic, but a rod bearing isn’t the same as a lifter roller bearing is it? A rod bearing is what the piston rod rides on that’s attached to the crankshaft. I feel like they are misdiagnosing the failure because they want to minimize the lifter issue. Thoughts?

Edit: or is the rod bearing a result of the lifter bearing failing causing misfire and busting a rod?


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[Hugh Kerrigan]

Well the truck is back at the local dealer. Sounds like the one that did the install did some flimflam $hit. They charged to remove the plow frame and never touched it. They sent it out with active codes and didn’t fix all the recalls but they said they did.


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[CopperheadHemi]

Did yours sound like this?

Mine has 101k on it and has had those startups randomly during the 5 years I’ve owned it. It makes me cringe and also makes me want to throw the for sale signs on it too. Mine just rolled out of the CPO 7/100 warranty too.

 

[Halligan]

Well the truck is back at the local dealer. Sounds like the one that did the install did some flimflam $hit. They charged to remove the plow frame and never touched it. They sent it out with active codes and didn’t fix all the recalls but they said they did.


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As I read through this I was getting the feeling the dealer was trying to cash in on some stuff. They just can't seem to do a warranty job by itself. The always have to up sell or find other "issues" to charge more for. I highly doubt you needed transmission lines and they screwed you with a new set.

My person experience in the last couple of years are as follows:

Bring truck in for recall/warranty work from my selling dealer who I may add I've purchased 6 trucks from. Service writer calls me and says I'm due for 4wd service and they will gladly perform for $300 plus dollars. I decline and say I will handle myself. I literally had the Mopar transfer case fluid and Amsoil severe gear sitting on workbench.

Fast forward 1 week and I'm in garage to do service. I remove the front diff fill plug before removing cover. I stick finger in and don't feel any oil. I'm like WTF, this is always full because I actually check these things periodically. I begin removing the cover bolts and take cover off. Maybe 1-2 cups of oil come out. Now I'm ********. I get phone and start taking pictures. Call dealership and they act clueless. Truck is towed into them. I meet with service manager, shop foreman and service writer. They asked if I ever checked fluid level in the past. I answered yes. Then I lit them up saying you sucked the fluid out of the fill plug hole and put plug back in. You the figured I would be back a few thousand miles later after front differential grenaded. Then you'd show me my paperwork where I declined 4wd service making this is all my fault and charging me to rebuild front differential. Well guess what, they rebuilt the front differential on their dime and I haven't been back since.

Another warranty claim for my front axle outer U-joint that was seizing at 45,000 miles. Drop truck off to a different dealer to get fixed and go on little family vacation. I get a call from the service writer at the dealership advising me that I may need to replace the front brake rotor because sometimes they don't come off to easy during disassembly. And really at that point I should just do a whole front brake job. I told the guy first of all I just rotated the tired and the brake pads were at least 50%. Secondly I told him that I may not be a SAE certified tech but I'm fairly certain a whack or two with a dead blow hammer should knock rotor loose just fine. He said he was just warning me of what may happen. I told him I had confidence in his technician to get the job done without collateral damage. Job was done with no new brake parts.

Dealers try and soak you out of your money any way they can. They really are one of the most corrupt operations going. I hope your home dealer treats you better.

 

[OCDTech]

I do warranty work a good bit, (Not an auto tech) My boss barely breaks even on warranty work, (we have a lot of non warranty work as well) She just keeps the warranty work to keep some of us employed. However there are things not covered of course, this is where the customer must pay out of pocket of course. I'm not the kind of person to squeeze money out of people, i pretty much go by the book, even occasionally helping them out when i can, (depending on attitude of said customer) My boss luckily is totally ok with the way i handle this. So i get peoples stuff fixed, theyre happy i'm happy, boss happy all good. Now sometimes it just doesn't work out for the customer. I tell them it just what broke and where.

Now some people, i promise you... you will NEVER make happy.

 

[Hugh Kerrigan]

I do warranty work a good bit, (Not an auto tech) My boss barely breaks even on warranty work, (we have a lot of non warranty work as well) She just keeps the warranty work to keep some of us employed. However there are things not covered of course, this is where the customer must pay out of pocket of course. I'm not the kind of person to squeeze money out of people, i pretty much go by the book, even occasionally helping them out when i can, (depending on attitude of said customer) My boss luckily is totally ok with the way i handle this. So i get peoples stuff fixed, theyre happy i'm happy, boss happy all good. Now sometimes it just doesn't work out for the customer. I tell them it just what broke and where.

Now some people, i promise you... you will NEVER make happy.

People like you are few and far between in the service industry! My local dealer is a family friend and I trust them. They told FCA person that the other dealer likely charged for things that weren’t done. Like the $400 to remove plow frame ( The flimflam $hit I mention ) and never touched it. I knew this as soon as I looked at it. It’s never been removed and with all the fluid film I put on it you’d be able to tell. I know warranty work isn’t profitable and that’s why I suggested I pay for new plugs, belt, trans flush, etc to make it a little better for them, but then they screwed me so I’m not playing nice anymore.


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[OCDTech]

People like you are few and far between in the service industry! My local dealer is a family friend and I trust them. They told FCA person that the other dealer likely charged for things that weren’t done. Like the $400 to remove plow frame ( The flimflam $hit I mention ) and never touched it. I knew this as soon as I looked at it. It’s never been removed and with all the fluid film I put on it you’d be able to tell. I know warranty work isn’t profitable and that’s why I suggested I pay for new plugs, belt, trans flush, etc to make it a little better for them, but then they screwed me so I’m not playing nice anymore.


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Tell you wht on that last note there. There have been several several ive tried to help and they stab you in the back. Makes me not want to help anymore but i just cant do that. Because its not the next guys fault for what the guy before him did to me. Thanks for the kind words


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[Ram Vendetta]

2015 , 2500 6.4 85,000 miles.
Slight tapping at about 80k gradually worsened. Well snapped off lifter roller cylinder #6 cam gouged also now. Performed above and beyond oil changes using recommended Pen ultra 0w-40 MS-12633. Thank GOD bro-in-law talked me into getting lifetime warranty back in 2015. Already paid for itself when I blew the tranny at 57k. Never again Ram.