Wow.. There you go again selectively chicken hawking my posts and taking quotes that only fit within your agenda!
I thought I was on ignore.......or did you lie again? I only select things that are false in my rebutals although if you do no like it then you can easily just stop responding in this thread or actually put me on ignore like you said you did pages ago.
It truly is amazing how butt hurt you get when someone simply mentions they don't care for the modern diesel all that much.
I don't know how many times I have to tell you this, but I will again to see if you get it this time. It is not your opinions that I am debating here. You are allowed to have those and everyone hear already knows that your opinion is baseless due to you now having any experience. What I am rebutting are the things that are false that you claim like the "there are no Rams over 250k" or "you would have to travel 600,000 miles to pay for a diesel" comments.
You keep saying I have an agenda, but all I am doing is responding to your false claims that you keep regurgitating over and over again. You keep trying to trash a diesel engines(that you don't have) just to fit your agenda.
I am now reading your last several posts and you are completely ridiculous. You are the guy that points fingers saying everyone has an agenda and "All the 6.4 guys blah blah blah" yet you have been called out many times in different threads for having a" know it all" attitude and a super strong Cummins agenda.
Funny, because I thought the same for your posts. Although I am not one who cares about what others think of me especially those who disrespect people by giving them false pretenses just to fit their agenda so.........
You pointed out that I don't even own a Ram, a Diesel, or a 6.4 right now (that seems to be the hook you hang your hat on insinuating that I cannot have an opinion because "I don't own one"). Since you pointed out that I don't own a RAM at least 10 times in the last week, how can I have an agenda that fits MY engine choice??
Yet, you keep on making stupid claims about how all these issues will arise on a Cummins engine even though you don't own one.
What if I go out and do something really stupid to surprise everyone and by a RAM with a 6.7 Cummins? Would I completely redeem myself in your eyes? So, what agenda am I pushing and why am I pushing it? I don't even have a horse in the race. Smarten up Mr. Texan.
No, you would redeem yourself because after owning one you would notice that all your BS was false. Then you would "Smarten up".
I never said that a gas engine will be trouble free for 500k. Never once said that. Stop putting words in my mouth to fit your "I love Cummins/buy a Cummins" agenda. My last post above was not gas vs. diesel... I said I don't want to drive "any vehicle to 500k REGARDLESS OF ENGINE" nor have I done so... You didn't quote that part. Didn't fit into your agenda
You have been only pointing out the negatives or potential maintenance issues of a Cummins in your posts without even stating that the same can be said about gasoline engines.
Like drittal pointed out, I am sure you could buy a new 6.4 for the price of some of the "maintenance items" required to get a Cummins to 500 or 600k. How many DPF's will you go through in that time? Oil Changes, $100.00 fuel filters, DEF, Associated labor? I doubt "Joe truck driver" will enjoy cleaning his EGR and DFP every time they get clooged. That is just obvious maintenance items. Not speaking of any high dollar issues that you might run into plus any associated labor at a diesel shop or dealer..
And as I pointed out, him saying that you can buy a new engine for less cost of these emissions is false, and even backed it up with pricing which you can Google for yourself. Did you not read that post or are you purposely ignoring facts that don't coincide with your agenda?
And, if the 6.4 cant be bought for the price of your maintenance items, jaflowers chimed in and mentioned the $2000-30000 lifetime warranty that is only offered on the gassers. So, lets see... I buy a 6.4, get a lifter tick, and the engine has to be replaced at 150k. Hand the dealer a Benjamin and the engine gets replaced. So, for the 6.4 upgrade of $1395.00 and an additional $3000.00 (or less) I would still be out the door with a $4400.00 6.4 Hemi with a lifetime warranty!!!! 1/2 to 5/8 the cost of the diesel option. So considering the duty cycle of the 6.7 (that YOU said was 500k) and then 6.4 with a lifetime warranty, which truck is going to last longer???? Same cab, box, suspension etc. Only major difference is the engine. One comes with an $6000-8000 price tag and then other a $4400.00 price tag and lifetime warranty. Sorry, you lose, good day sir!
And Cummins offers extended warranty coverages on the 6.7L and it's after-treatment emissions systems. The reason why it is not offered through Mopar is because they don't build those devices, Cummins does.
Also, what happens when you resale that truck? Is a 2500 with a 6.4L going to have the same reason to the exact same truck with a Cummins? No, it will have a higher resale generally $4,000-$6,000 more. This is where you will recoup most of that up front cost. Why do you keep neglecting this?
Hell, even the University of Michigan(your own state) pointed this out.
Total Cost of Ownership: A Diesel Versus Gasoline Comparison <--- help stop the spread of ignorance and please read
In the three year total cost of ownership including depreciation, fuel, repairs, taxes, insurance, and maintenance. The Ram 2500 diesel cost $2,281 less than the gas version.
In the five year total cost of ownership including depreciation, fuel, repairs, taxes, insurance, and maintenance. The Ram 2500 diesel cost $2,289 less than the gas version.
Where is your proof to back up what you say?
I don't care what you will recoup in longevity, I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE A TRUCK (OR MAINTAIN ONE FOR THAT MATTER) UP TO AND BEYOND 500K!!! Why is that hard for you to understand?
And I keep telling you that you recoup most of your money on resale OR longevity. Why is that so hard to understand?
The idea that your precious Cummins "might" make it to 500k makes no difference to me!!! I don't want to drive the same DD for 15-20 years! Who does??? I dont care what you will recoup in resale. A truck is only worth what Someone is willing to pay for it. Not much with 500k on the clock.
Look guy, I have never said that the 6.4L is a bad buy or have gone on some long diatribes of false information bashing the 6.4L generalising it with every other gas engine out there. Nor have any Cummins owners here. Yet, you (and some other 6.4L owners) keep doing that about the Cummins over and over and over and over.... Why? What do you have to gain for keep trying to bash an engine choice you have never owned besides forwarding some kind of agenda?
I would have no doubts that if started spewing out false information about the 6.4L, then you would have just about every 6.4L owner here breathing down your neck. I would almost guarantee that you would catch heat from 6.4L owners like
6.4L Dude,
Drittal,
TheViking,
Hootbro, and
Smurfs_of_war just to name a few. Look at Danno, he keeps quoting the same BS over and over and over just like you keep talking the same smack about diesels and they jump him just about every time. So are you going to say they have some "6.4L agenda" for doing the same thing to Danno's BS that I do with your BS that you keep posting over and over again?
You can stop this at anytime dude. Just stop talking crap or posting false information about my engine choice and go about your business. If you keep posting your trash then I will keep rebutting it just like the others rebut Danno. Like I said, what do you have to gain with bashing other peoples engines choices that you never even owned?
You just wish you owned a 6.4 hemi.Oh thats correct you own a cummins
Has your momma let you drive her 5.7 hemi lately :****sweak:
Not looking to drive around a good running, 500k mile, heap of ****.
and the rest of those that have had the misfortune of reading all this back and forth BS an apology.
