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My thought was using the thermostat from that block in the 8spd block. Only if it's a lower temp, of course.
 

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That's the same thermostat block off my old 13's 6 speed tranny Jesse.Same number ,it mounts behind the grill,it's similiar to the HD's and cars thermostat,so it might cross over to them also

I never saw that bypass on my 09 and my trans temps never got anywhere close to 185.

I think the hottest I ever saw was 170 sitting in traffic for two hours in 95* heat.

That's what confused me about this 8 Speed trans heating up so fast. The RFE took forever to get hot. Hell, most of the time my 30 minute commute to work it would never touch 150*
 

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I never saw that bypass on my 09 and my trans temps never got anywhere close to 185.

I think the hottest I ever saw was 170 sitting in traffic for two hours in 95* heat.

That's what confused me about this 8 Speed trans heating up so fast. The RFE took forever to get hot. Hell, most of the time my 30 minute commute to work it would never touch 150*
It was introduced on some of the 13's when FCA adopted the thermal management system. It was fairly common on Canadian 4.7 trucks,i think we might of been the guinea pigs,it wasn't used as much on the 5.7 trucks with the 6 speed till a year or two later.
 

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It was introduced on some of the 13's when FCA adopted the thermal management system. It was fairly common on Canadian 4.7 trucks,i think we might of been the guinea pigs,it wasn't used as much on the 5.7 trucks with the 6 speed till a year or two later.

Ok, that make sense. Even though I couldn't imagine the 5/6 speed trucks tranny temps running that hot.
When mine did get in the 160-170s it shifted funky sometimes.
 

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Update on my valve performance. Drove 1,000 miles over the 4th of July weekend....cruising 70mph on the interstate, 90F+ weather and I did not break 150F but once going though a mountain bypass route (note: PA Style mountain). She shifts nice and smooth, no whine when accelerating at highway speeds and no slip/clunk/miss shift dropping into 6th or 7th from 8th. Awesome upgrade!

and my MPG actually went UP! 21 -22mpg with the bypass, was 19-20mpg before.
 
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has anyone just removed the water hoses and left the thermostat in place on the trans heater?
Thought about it a year or 2 back,but never did.Try it out and let us know how it works,as i'm curious myself.
 

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Thought about it a year or 2 back,but never did.Try it out and let us know how it works,as i'm curious myself.
I'm currently reading through a post where you guys did a lot of different things. Are you still running the plastic plug with no stat and coolant lines connected? If so, how's it working out? I was thinking the Revmax kit then found these pages and would like to remove lines instead of a block off plate that stops trans fluid from circulating in the heater.
 

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I'm currently reading through a post where you guys did a lot of different things. Are you still running the plastic plug with no stat and coolant lines connected? If so, how's it working out? I was thinking the Revmax kit then found these pages and would like to remove lines instead of a block off plate that stops trans fluid from circulating in the heater.
Khris/CrazyKid and i both deleted everything. Neither of us are running the heat exchanger on the side of the tranny,i even went so far as to convert my 14 back to the 5/6 speed heater hose set-up,bypassing the 3 way valve the earlier 8speed trucks used.Starting about here,you can see how we did it,in hindsight Jesse's/Caulk04's plug is the way to go,but he hadn't devoloped it yet when Khris and i started messing around with the thermal management on the 8 speeds.If i was doing it again,i'd use Jesse's bypass plug instead,as it's simplicity in itself,and is easy to revert back to the stock set-up,if you ever have to take the truck in for warrenty work,or you live where it gets cold in the winter.My trucks been off warrenty for awhile,and i don't use it in the winter all that much,so having the aluminium heat exchanger gone doesn't really bother me.plus the side of the tranny looks alot better with it gone,lol.

 

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I'm currently reading through a post where you guys did a lot of different things. Are you still running the plastic plug with no stat and coolant lines connected? If so, how's it working out? I was thinking the Revmax kit then found these pages and would like to remove lines instead of a block off plate that stops trans fluid from circulating in the heater.
If you only remove the heater lines and leave the tstat then it’ll just take longer but it’ll still get over 180° as that’s the Tstat temp. Without removing the tstat and blocking secondary passage to limit flow only to the cooler then temps will eventually reach normal temps. By blocking the actual heater passage as the rev max kit does to limit oil flow only to the cooler you will have lower temps because 100% of the oil gets cooled.
 

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Khris/CrazyKid and i both deleted everything. Neither of us are running the heat exchanger on the side of the tranny,i even went so far as to convert my 14 back to the 5/6 speed heater hose set-up,bypassing the 3 way valve the earlier 8speed trucks used.Starting about here,you can see how we did it,in hindsight Jesse's/Caulk04's plug is the way to go,but he hadn't devoloped it yet when Khris and i started messing around with the thermal management on the 8 speeds.If i was doing it again,i'd use Jesse's bypass plug instead,as it's simplicity in itself,and is easy to revert back to the stock set-up,if you ever have to take the truck in for warrenty work,or you live where it gets cold in the winter.My trucks been off warrenty for awhile,and i don't use it in the winter all that much,so having the aluminium heat exchanger gone doesn't really bother me.plus the side of the tranny looks alot better with it gone,lol.

Thanks for the feedback, how long does it take the trans to get over 100F with everything deleted? Im running 37s with an overland build going forward and I'm putting in more heat to the transmission itself. If it doesn't take long ill probably do similar to what you did as warranty is gone on my truck.
 

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Thanks for the feedback, how long does it take the trans to get over 100F with everything deleted? Im running 37s with an overland build going forward and I'm putting in more heat to the transmission itself. If it doesn't take long ill probably do similar to what you did as warranty is gone on my truck.
Depends on how i drive it,hard driving it'll get to about 120 in a couple miles,easy driving it'll take upwards of 10 or 15 miles.Also depends on ambient temp to,last week we were sitting right around 95F to 100F,so it would hit a 100F in about a block,but then it was also at 90+F when i'd start it,lol.
 
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has anyone just removed the water hoses and left the thermostat in place on the trans heater?
That just slows the heating of the trans and won't affect the equilibrium temp. Also, if the tstat fails as it seems happens often enough you get no cooler flow at all. So perhaps slightly better than stock, but not much.
Thanks for the feedback, how long does it take the trans to get over 100F with everything deleted? Im running 37s with an overland build going forward and I'm putting in more heat to the transmission itself. If it doesn't take long ill probably do similar to what you did as warranty is gone on my truck.
Mine was breaking over 100 in below freezing temps by the time I got to work early this year. That's about 30min/22mile
 

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That just slows the heating of the trans and won't affect the equilibrium temp. Also, if the tstat fails as it seems happens often enough you get no cooler flow at all. So perhaps slightly better than stock, but not much.

Mine was breaking over 100 in below freezing temps by the time I got to work early this year. That's about 30min/22mile
Do have the heater blocked off?
 
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Yeah, I have my part installed so trans fluid bypasses the heater and goes through the cooler at all times
 

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That just slows the heating of the trans and won't affect the equilibrium temp. Also, if the tstat fails as it seems happens often enough you get no cooler flow at all. So perhaps slightly better than stock, but not much.

Mine was breaking over 100 in below freezing temps by the time I got to work early this year. That's about 30min/22mile
I think I'll end up putting in an Improved Racing stat set at 145F. I do drive in winter weather with ~2 weeks @ 0-10F so the constant cooling may not be ideal and their stat still has fluid going to the cooler instead of constant recirc.

Thanks for all the help guys!
 

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I think I'll end up putting in an Improved Racing stat set at 145F. I do drive in winter weather with ~2 weeks @ 0-10F so the constant cooling may not be ideal and their stat still has fluid going to the cooler instead of constant recirc.

Thanks for all the help guys!
Make sure to share info on how you do it. When you do please post lots of pictures as well for anyone else interested in that.
 

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Depends on how i drive it,hard driving it'll get to about 120 in a couple miles,easy driving it'll take upwards of 10 or 15 miles.Also depends on ambient temp to,last week we were sitting right around 95F to 100F,so it would hit a 100F in about a block,but then it was also at 90+F when i'd start it,lol.
lol Seabrook Texas temps there :)
 

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Thanks for the feedback, how long does it take the trans to get over 100F with everything deleted? Im running 37s with an overland build going forward and I'm putting in more heat to the transmission itself. If it doesn't take long ill probably do similar to what you did as warranty is gone on my truck.
I personally sprung for the Revmax kit. I'm in Denver so we are fairly cold in the winter. I am currently only a 10 mile or so drive from work and I hit at least 90 degrees on the coldest days. I havent be driving the truck as much this summer, but I think my max trans temp has been below 160. I think there are multiple ways to accomplish lower trans temps on these trucks just sad we have to fix a stupid design in the first place.
 

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I personally sprung for the Revmax kit. I'm in Denver so we are fairly cold in the winter. I am currently only a 10 mile or so drive from work and I hit at least 90 degrees on the coldest days. I havent be driving the truck as much this summer, but I think my max trans temp has been below 160. I think there are multiple ways to accomplish lower trans temps on these trucks just sad we have to fix a stupid design in the first place.

Do you have the blocking plate installed and the bypass modification?
 

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