Black Widow all show?

[Putinhuilo]

Anyone have experience with a Black Widow HD package (Ram 2500) off road? I‘m about to purchase a 2500 with one of these packages. The one I’m looking at has 37” tires on their proprietary 22” wheels. I decided to call the company to ask about tires, wheels and airing down. I couldn’t believe what I heard from their “expert”…basically was told, that their package makes your Ram 2500 into a pavement princess meant to, and I quote…”go on a dirt driveway, occasionally“. I have a stock 2500 for years, and regularly frequent level 4/5 out of 10 trails on On-X, and am very happy with performance. I run 17“ wheels with 32” tires with an Alu-Cab topper. I typically air down from 75 to 40 psi, this works great for me.

Any advice? Should I pass on the black widow?

 

[crazykid1994]

They are show trucks mostly. 22” wheels are definitely not first choice for off-roading. Idk what their shock package is. I saw a gmc 1500 and it was just a spacer style lift. I would look into a power wagon or just throw on a Thuren or Carli setup

 

[crash68]

^^^ yeah what he said.
If your looking to take the truck to off-road trails then your better off making the mods yourself.
There's a few members on the forum that take PowerWagons way off-road, be sure to check out the forum section: https://www.ramforum.com/forums/dodge-ram-power-wagon.73/

 

[Putinhuilo]

Thanks for the replies. They sure advertise rhem as off road machines. The one I’m looking at has fox shocks.

RAM 2500 HD Black Widow — Black Widow Lifted Trucks

Take heavy duty to the next level. Each lifted Black Widow RAM 2500 truck is ready for anything you can throw it's way. From the legendary cummins engine to the proprietary, premium lift kit, we build our Black Widow RAM 2500's to handle anything you can throw their way.

www.blackwidowtrucks.com

 

[Putinhuilo]

In fact, it seems CSA (black widow) is wholly owned by Fox…

Fox Factory to buy truck, SUV supplier SCA Performance for $328M

Fox Factory expects SCA to contribute $22 million to $24 million of adjusted EBITDA and 15 cents to 17 cents of adjusted diluted EPS in the group's fiscal 2020 results.

www.spglobal.com

 

[Nick@GotExhaust]

You can go with a regular trim and add better performing parts for cheaper than the black widow package. That being said, if you are looking for a slightly more capable option than stock and like the way they look, its a decent option. If you need a much better off roading set up than stock, pass on it.

 

[Putinhuilo]

I’m going to pass…the price is good $85k. But not a single YouTube video of off reading…pavement princess.

 

[Quick_Shifter]

Anyone have experience with a Black Widow HD package (Ram 2500) off road? I‘m about to purchase a 2500 with one of these packages. The one I’m looking at has 37” tires on their proprietary 22” wheels. I decided to call the company to ask about tires, wheels and airing down. I couldn’t believe what I heard from their “expert”…basically was told, that their package makes your Ram 2500 into a pavement princess meant to, and I quote…”go on a dirt driveway, occasionally“. I have a stock 2500 for years, and regularly frequent level 4/5 out of 10 trails on On-X, and am very happy with performance. I run 17“ wheels with 32” tires with an Alu-Cab topper. I typically air down from 75 to 40 psi, this works great for me.

Any advice? Should I pass on the black widow?

I wouldn’t touch a black widow truck with a 10 foot pole.

For the money you’ll save it’s very simple to get the appearance and even improve the ride unlike black widows cookie cutter trucks

 

[Putinhuilo]

I hear you…I passed on the black widow and got a stock diesel 2500. Any recommendations? I prefer a smooth ride at moderate speeds and to be able to go over reasonable obstacles. My prior truck was a totally stock hemi with the original blistine shocks it came with on 32” tires. I was able to go on On-X up to 4 rated trails with an Alu-cab topper installed, without real complaints. Would like to push 5-6 ratings and with a smoother more comfortable ride and up to a 3” lift.

 

[Quick_Shifter]

I hear you…I passed on the black widow and got a stock diesel 2500. Any recommendations? I prefer a smooth ride at moderate speeds and to be able to go over reasonable obstacles. My prior truck was a totally stock hemi with the original blistine shocks it came with on 32” tires. I was able to go on On-X up to 4 rated trails with an Alu-cab topper installed, without real complaints. Would like to push 5-6 ratings and with a smoother more comfortable ride and up to a 3” lift.

Diesel you have a lot of options but @Nick@GotExhaust can set you up with a thuren kit that is one of the best for softer ride

 

[gtomike60]

I hear you…I passed on the black widow and got a stock diesel 2500. Any recommendations? I prefer a smooth ride at moderate speeds and to be able to go over reasonable obstacles. My prior truck was a totally stock hemi with the original blistine shocks it came with on 32” tires. I was able to go on On-X up to 4 rated trails with an Alu-cab topper installed, without real complaints. Would like to push 5-6 ratings and with a smoother more comfortable ride and up to a 3” lift.

E-mail Thuren Fabrication and tell them what you want to do with the truck,they'll tell you what you need to meet your goals
I did this for my 2012 7 years ago and I love how everything works so well together
I do everything with my truck from high speed dirt roads to rock crawling in Moab and Sand Hollow State Park in Utah
I have just over 100k on this suspension so far with just maintenance items needing replacing

 

[Nick@GotExhaust]

I like ICON and Thuren for the 2500's. Both will ride and perform better than stock. Message me if you would like a quote

 

[Hardracer]

I know a guy that is a salesman here for black widow settups.
I believe the markup is insane from a dealer here with that on it.
He always told me you would be better off just putting your own stuff on for way cheaper...I've seen the widow stuff with the badge on dodge and chevy brands here runnin around.cant recall a ford.

 

[Klbastian7]

Thanks for the replies. They sure advertise rhem as off road machines. The one I’m looking at has fox shocks.

RAM 2500 HD Black Widow — Black Widow Lifted Trucks

Take heavy duty to the next level. Each lifted Black Widow RAM 2500 truck is ready for anything you can throw it's way. From the legendary cummins engine to the proprietary, premium lift kit, we build our Black Widow RAM 2500's to handle anything you can throw their way.

www.blackwidowtrucks.com

I want to add some suspension assistance to my 2023 Ram 1500 Black Widow. I do some towing and it sags a bit under a heavy load. Anyone have recommendations on air pillow suspension kids that can be added? I already tried Airlift and they don't have one that fits.

 

[DeckArtist]

You will find very few real 4x4 trail trucks on 22s.Almost all of them are 17" to 18" wheels and maybe a couple at 20". All the 22
" trucks have very low profile tires [aimed directly at the opposite market, those who prefer the look versus the trail capability].

 

[bgenlvtex]

I've never heard of them but you have to give them credit for at least admitting they are not building off road trucks.

Anytime you see 20" or bigger wheels you can automatically assume it is intended for minimal to no off road use.