Blackstone zf8 fluid analysis at 160K miles

[DILLIGAF]

Thanks for posting this, this clearly shows there's zero reason to use the OEM unicorn p!ss.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Oh, there are reasons - but they have nothing to do with us.

They have to do with mo' money - for their obsenely priced oil, and avoided warranty claims and lawsuits from dummies that don't know what they're doing and put in discount snake oil.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

I posted a couple of threads last fall mostly for advice regarding the zf8 fluid change on my 2018 Ram 1500 3.6 4x4. (thanks for helpful tips). I promised I'd send the used fluid for testing analysis to see how ugly it would be at this high mileage. Just for context I had a relatively gentle 160K miles, no towing, very little city driving. (I'm at 172K now, I replaced with Amsoil SS fuel efficient ATF) Here's an image of the blackstone report.

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Kudo's for doing this and sharing it, too!

 

[RamDiver]

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[Burla]

Thanks for posting this, this clearly shows there's zero reason to use the OEM unicorn p!ss.

It even worse, if you actually use unicorn **** as in redline true pao/ester d6, your transmission may not like it as it is too slippery. Dealer "fake" unicorn fluid reads exactly like valvonie's famous maxlife universal p!ss on the stat page. They said you had to use pao, but the actual use of PAO caused issues in Rams. If your pour point looks like group 3, then it is group 3, you can see the pour points of the pao oils. The only benefit, and it is a benefit, to the pao fluid is the color green. But I would suggest the juice isn't worth the squeeze, max life for zf's as long as you can buy it. Yes there is a movement to take it away, they use the "fake" climate argument to force a great solution for most transmissions. The trying to ban it because it is "universal" and eventhough it's is universally thin (one would think to their benefit) "they" want it gone to force people into either expensive fluid or to not service their transmission = Jay Pan!

This is new info, apparently the new "lifetime" fluid is actually a fluid brought back from the dead as in aft 3, lol. You cant make this stuff up?

 

[stenerson]

Do you have another valid link for this video?

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That's not a video, it's a link to a facebook group.

ZF 8HP45 8HP70 8HP90 Transmission Swap & Technical Info facebook group

 

[stenerson]

On my vehicles which have a dipstick & fill-tube, I usually pump all the old fluid out of the torque converter during tranny fluid changes ..till it runs clear (100% new fluid).

Yeah, that's how I did it with my 2004 Ram with 6 speed.

 

[stenerson]

Curious if you also changed pan and filter ?
If not...makes me think maybe I'll go the easier road and just do a drain and fill !

I installed the PPE pan/filter when I did this.

 

[RamDiver]

That's not a video, it's a link to a facebook group.

ZF 8HP45 8HP70 8HP90 Transmission Swap & Technical Info facebook group

That may be the case, but Rick named the link as 'Video', and I received the 'This video isn't available anymore' notification from the FB page.

I don't have a FB account, some of their links work for me and others don't.

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[stenerson]

That may be the case, but Rick named the link as 'Video', and I received the 'This video isn't available anymore' notification from the FB page.

I don't have a FB account, some of their links work for me and others don't.

It leads to a link where you can ask to join this facebook group. But without an account you won't be able to request joining the group and seeing their content.

 

[QwikKota]

This is great that the OEM fill lasted this long and checks out but it's still worthwhile to change before 100k on these trucks.

For those with the PPE pan and a proper drain plug, is it worth swapping the filter at 50k mile intervals? It's a lot less hassle to just do a drain and fill compared to dropping the pan again.

 

[joesstripclub]

I'm curious if anyone has done a fluid analysis that switched to Maxlife. It would be interesting to see if these wear similarly or if maxlife needs changed more often.

 

[Hootbro]

This is new info, apparently the new "lifetime" fluid is actually a fluid brought back from the dead as in aft 3, lol. You cant make this stuff up?

BMW ATF 3+ is not the same as Chrysler ATF +3.

 

[Burla]

I'm curious if anyone has done a fluid analysis that switched to Maxlife. It would be interesting to see if these wear similarly or if maxlife needs changed more often.

You can search for a year I doubt you can find two oils that look as close on the stat sheet as zf8 and maxlife, in fact it appears the only difference is the color. Both synthetic base oils same pour points.

ZF* voa

Valvoline maxlife voa

Hootbro

In what way? Is there voa's of both? I don't have the info either way. So bmw got away with stealing Chryslers licensed atf 3 title?

We know atf 4 is different from zf8, but zf8 looks an awful lot like maxlife.

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[HEMIMANN]

You can search for a year I doubt you can find two oils that look as close on the stat sheet as zf8 and maxlife, in fact it appears the only difference is the color. Both synthetic base oils same pour points.

ZF* voa

Valvoline maxlife voa

Hootbro

In what way? Is there voa's of both? I don't have the info either way. So bmw got away with stealing Chryslers licensed atf 3 title?

We know atf 4 is different from zf8, but zf8 looks an awful lot like maxlife.

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Anybody looked up Valvoline Maxlife ATF vs. Amsoil SS Multi Vehicle ATF?

I might peruse tonight if I can.

 

[Hootbro]

Hootbro

In what way? Is there voa's of both? I don't have the info either way. So bmw got away with stealing Chryslers licensed atf 3 title?

We know atf 4 is different from zf8, but zf8 looks an awful lot like maxlife.

ATF +3 has been discontinued for like 20 years, not a lot of info or analysis to reference. Chrysler will refer to ATF +4 as being backward compatible for any application that calls for a ATF +3.

BMW ATF 3+ is just their branding of the ZF Lifeguard 8 fluid.

 

[Wild one]

It leads to a link where you can ask to join this facebook group. But without an account you won't be able to request joining the group and seeing their content.

Can't help you out if you can't see the video or the page,as it works for me.By clicking on the link,it takes me straight to the video.
The page is worth joining if you want to learn more about what the aftermarket is doing for the 8 speeds,the guys behind the Cantu and MaxxECU programs are on the page,along with the DomiWorks guys who build adapters to put the 8 speed behind alot of differant applications that never had the 8 speed. Those guys are making stock 8HP70's live at close to a 1,000hp.

 

[js12278]

I was surprised at how relatively odor free that zf8 lifeguard fluid is. Unlike the typical red hydraulic ATF fluids.

I don’t know about it being odor free. The bottle of brand new zf 8/9 spd fluid I opened up reminded me of the days of baby diaper stank. It was awful stank. Note the fluid at 108k, No stank at all.

 

[stenerson]

Can't help you out if you can't see the video or the page,as it works for me.By clicking on the link,it takes me straight to the video.

I didn't get any video either but it did link me to that facebook group join page.

 

[stenerson]

This is great that the OEM fill lasted this long and checks out but it's still worthwhile to change before 100k on these trucks

I agree. Especially the first pan replacement grabbing all that break in material.