Brand New Hemi Already Chatty At 200 Miles!

[Ken226]

Just out of curiosity, why the Power train Products rebuilt Hemi? It's not much cheaper than a new Mopar long block. I looked it up, and the PPP reman is $4k

2013-2017 Ram 1500 RAM EZH 5.7L V8 Remanufactured Engine - Powertrain Products

2013-2017 Ram 1500 RAM EZH 5.7L V8 Remanufactured Engine by Powertrain Products . OEM quality, backed by the industry's best warranty.

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A reman engine from Mopar is about $4500

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Is it worth 500$ to go with some aftermarket outfit? I bet half the parts in it are of Chinese origin.

Honestly, at this point, would there be any reason not to just get a new Mopar long block. since it's only 1000$ more than the rebuilt Power Train Products failure, and only 500$ more than the Mopar reman?

5.7L HEMI NON-MDS Truck Engine Long Block

5.7L HEMI NON-MDS Truck Engine Long Block

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[1979PowerWagon360]

I wonder if you could get them to refund you parts only if you agreed to fix it and provide them receipts of your expenses. I can understand you not wanting to put in the labor into it since it's their fault, but maybe you have a better chance of getting something back this way and your truck fixed. I know these kinds of issues are so frustrating!

 

[Sherman Bird]

Just out of curiosity, why the Power train Products rebuilt Hemi? It's not much cheaper than a new Mopar long block. I looked it up, and the PPP reman is $4k

2013-2017 Ram 1500 RAM EZH 5.7L V8 Remanufactured Engine - Powertrain Products

2013-2017 Ram 1500 RAM EZH 5.7L V8 Remanufactured Engine by Powertrain Products . OEM quality, backed by the industry's best warranty.

www.powertrainproducts.net

A reman engine from Mopar is about $4500

R8310994AA - Genuine Mopar Engine-Long Block

MoparPartsGiant.com offers the great deal and free shipping for genuine Mopar parts, R8310994AA. Engine-Long Block for $5383.35. All parts are backed by the Mopar's warranty.

www.moparpartsgiant.com

Is it worth 500$ to go with some aftermarket outfit? I bet half the parts in it are of Chinese origin.

Honestly, at this point, would there be any reason not to just get a new Mopar long block. since it's only 1000$ more than the rebuilt Power Train Products failure, and only 500$ more than the Mopar reman?

5.7L HEMI NON-MDS Truck Engine Long Block

5.7L HEMI NON-MDS Truck Engine Long Block

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While you are pounding the "Chinesium" drum, the later Hemis have a dismal record. I'd be dubious about feeling better by spending 500 dollars more for a "feeling".

I have successfully used Power Torque brand remans in the last 5 vehicles I've done, the last being the 2002 Ram 1500 4.7L engine. All have delivered stellar service., and my savings are more along the line of 1500 to 2000 dollars, not 500. In the case of the 4.7L, my savings approached 3 grand.

These are the folks whose warranty includes an entire replacement reman engine the first time you make a claim. This reduces down time of having to go through the rigamarole of dealing with a claim, the reman folks send out an adjuster, said adjuster takes 2-3 days to show up, and another 1-2 days submitting their report, then the reman folks trying to "bargain" with me (or the shop) for the most el-cheapo fix.. yada yada yada.

So far, the only complaint I have with them is that they go a bit overboard painting the new engine. I always have to sand off the flat surfaces where gaskets go, and the points where the ground wires attach. Also, I chase all the bolt holes with taps, and get paint out of them.

The first one I did was pre-pandemic in 2019. That customer still has that truck, and the motor is still going strong.

 

[Ken226]

While you are pounding the "Chinesium" drum, the later Hemis have a dismal record. I'd be dubious about feeling better by spending 500 dollars more for a "feeling".

So, you believe a Mopar branded engine's only advantage over a rebuilt, whatever brand, full of unknown brand parts, is only a feeling?
Maybe you're right.


Maybe it's working out for him better than he's letting on.

But in this specific case, the original was a Mopar, and it indeed seems to have lasted longer than the "remanufactured" replacement. (185,000 > 0)

In this specific case, since I posted in this specific thread, the difference in price between these specific engines, IS 500$ respectively.

I'll give it time and see how that warranty works out. Thus far, his post seemed rather negative regarding that as well.

A quick AI search of reviews, for comparison:





Awhile back I emailed some of these rebuilders to see which brand lifters they used in their "remanufactured" engines. If I remember right, Jasper said they have their own house brand (I'm skeptical). Several said they were OEM, but were "tested". I specifically asked if "tested" means used, and he wouldn't say no. Just stated again that they were "tested", but wouldn't say how. (I took that to mean they were reusing used lifters).

Here's another Power train Products Hemi engine @ 200 miles:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dodge/comments/1bxr4z9/new_remanufactured_engine_already_going_bad_i/

Read the 10th post down, below the video, about the "warranty".

 

[Wild one]

While you are pounding the "Chinesium" drum, the later Hemis have a dismal record. I'd be dubious about feeling better by spending 500 dollars more for a "feeling".

I have successfully used Power Torque brand remans in the last 5 vehicles I've done, the last being the 2002 Ram 1500 4.7L engine. All have delivered stellar service., and my savings are more along the line of 1500 to 2000 dollars, not 500. In the case of the 4.7L, my savings approached 3 grand.

These are the folks whose warranty includes an entire replacement reman engine the first time you make a claim. This reduces down time of having to go through the rigamarole of dealing with a claim, the reman folks send out an adjuster, said adjuster takes 2-3 days to show up, and another 1-2 days submitting their report, then the reman folks trying to "bargain" with me (or the shop) for the most el-cheapo fix.. yada yada yada.

So far, the only complaint I have with them is that they go a bit overboard painting the new engine. I always have to sand off the flat surfaces where gaskets go, and the points where the ground wires attach. Also, I chase all the bolt holes with taps, and get paint out of them.

The first one I did was pre-pandemic in 2019. That customer still has that truck, and the motor is still going strong.

Where's your proof to back up your claim about the new replacement hemi's having a dismal record Sherm.
You can't make that statement,then provide no proof

 

[603photog]

You say that you're going to have a shop look at it, THEN present the findings to the rebuilder. The Engine rebuilder I use doesn't allow for that; they just send out a whole new engine ONCE. By disassembling the original engine, in my particular case, you'd void the coverage.... so, I would reach out to the rebuilder FIRST and let THEM refer you to having the engine torn down, otherwise, you might (read likely) will get stuck with charges.

Except I never once said anybody would be disassembling the engine. I said they were going to diagnose it. You don't have to tear apart an engine to determine the most likely point of failure for general reporting purposes. I just needed them to tell me for certain what cylinder and whether it was valvetrain or pistons and that's exactly what they did. Truck won't fit in my small garage and it was around 12°F the week I made this thread so, no, I wasn't wasting time doing it myself.

Also, if you are a pro installer, I find it hard to understand that you aren't already familiar with Powertrain Products. They've been around a long time and there is a ton of information about them all over the interwebs. Unfortunately, part of their standard warranty "investigation" process is making the customer tear apart failed engines *at the customer's expense* to diagnose the failure before they agree to replace the engine. It's a sh*tty business model. I made the mistake of trusting the marketing and that's my fault but the engine failure and the way the company is handling it so far are both NOT my fault.

Moving on....I've now got a beautiful new (to me) Laramie so the urgency of my first post in this thread is resolved. I'll keep working with PPI and their warranty team and hope they do right by me. If not, I'm prepared to go the legal route. We documented the full process of this installation because we were going to use the content for our socials. We may still do so but, instead, it may end up being a very detailed negative review of the product and company - unless, of course, they turn it around and do the right thing. I guess we'll see....tick tock.

 

[Sherman Bird]

Except I never once said anybody would be disassembling the engine. I said they were going to diagnose it. You don't have to tear apart an engine to determine the most likely point of failure for general reporting purposes. I just needed them to tell me for certain what cylinder and whether it was valvetrain or pistons and that's exactly what they did. Truck won't fit in my small garage and it was around 12°F the week I made this thread so, no, I wasn't wasting time doing it myself.

Also, if you are a pro installer, I find it hard to understand that you aren't already familiar with Powertrain Products. They've been around a long time and there is a ton of information about them all over the interwebs. Unfortunately, part of their standard warranty "investigation" process is making the customer tear apart failed engines *at the customer's expense* to diagnose the failure before they agree to replace the engine. It's a sh*tty business model. I made the mistake of trusting the marketing and that's my fault but the engine failure and the way the company is handling it so far are both NOT my fault.

Moving on....I've now got a beautiful new (to me) Laramie so the urgency of my first post in this thread is resolved. I'll keep working with PPI and their warranty team and hope they do right by me. If not, I'm prepared to go the legal route. We documented the full process of this installation because we were going to use the content for our socials. We may still do so but, instead, it may end up being a very detailed negative review of the product and company - unless, of course, they turn it around and do the right thing. I guess we'll see....tick tock.

 

[PVilefort]

That failed cam lobe appears to have had a roller cam follower that wasn't rolling. That also looks like a metallurgical problem; incompatible roller and cam surfaces. Some of the Pentastar engine/valve train failures looked just like this.

 

[QwikKota]

That failed cam lobe appears to have had a roller cam follower that wasn't rolling. That also looks like a metallurgical problem; incompatible roller and cam surfaces. Some of the Pentastar engine/valve train failures looked just like this.

I believe that was his first engine. The replacement has not been opened up yet. This type of failure is usually credited to the lifter's needle bearings seizing up which causes the roller to stop turning and it digs into the cam. How it rotates sideways is beyond me.

 

[Wild one]

I believe that was his first engine. The replacement has not been opened up yet. This type of failure is usually credited to the lifter's needle bearings seizing up which causes the roller to stop turning and it digs into the cam. How it rotates sideways is beyond me.

Once the roller wears down far enough,the sides of the lifter catch the groove in the lobe and spin the lifter sideways,it's only a plastic holder keeping the lifters from turning,not like the early days where they used a link bar to keep the lifters from spinning.

 

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

I've now got a beautiful new (to me) Laramie

I've got a 2019, do you have eTorque how many miles get on a Lubrication Strategy so you can possibly save this engine.

 

[QwikKota]

Once the roller wears down far enough,the sides of the lifter catch the groove in the lobe and spin the lifter sideways,it's only a plastic holder keeping the lifters from turning,not like the early days where they used a link bar to keep the lifters from spinning.

I had a 440 Belvedere. The lifter rocker shaft was probably stronger than a modern engine's cam, hah.

 

[603photog]

Hey, folks. Really sorry about the lack of engagement since making this post - I just never remember to get online and update this thread....

So they finally shipped me a new engine under warranty. After a very, very, verrrrryyy ridiculously slow and drawn-out communication process where they would disappear for weeks at a time without answering my comms, I finally got an email that simply said "This warranty has been approved." And then nothing for a couple of weeks at which time I had to reach back out to them and ask for an update. I received an email that said "I don't believe this has shipped yet - let me check." And then...crickets for days until, out of the blue, I get an automated text from R&L Carriers saying they have a freight shipment for me that needs delivery scheduled. Not a word from the supplier at all. No warranty documentation with the new engine or via email. No written requirements to have the old engine shipped back to them within any amount of time. Just the absolute worst warranty process I've ever seen. I'm sure they probably have someone scouring the interwebs and may see this post but I really don't care - chalk me up as yet another very dissatisfied customer.

Anyhoo - new engine is in the garage and we'll get to replacing it when we have time (three other projects in front of it, at the moment). Hopefully some point down the line I'll be able to provide a more positive update on the new engine. Just do me a favor and don't hold your breath....

In the meantime, the new Laramie is beautiful. The door controls are so similar to my 2012 that I only just last week discovered there was a button for power folding mirrors! As I've always said, "You know you made it in life when you have power folding mirrors."

 

[Mojo88]

....So they finally shipped me a new engine under warranty ......
Just the absolute worst warranty process I've ever seen. .....

Interesting thread. Lots of troubles, but in the end, you should be OK.

And I'm not sure about this being the "worst warranty process".
IMHO the 'worst' would have been NO REPLACEMENT ENGINE!

 

[Ken226]

IMHO the 'worst' would have been NO REPLACEMENT ENGINE!

That remains to be seen.

Ill stay tuned to see how this one runs! Or, how they handle a third one.

 

[Sherman Bird]

Just out of curiosity have you tried taking the belt off and seeing if the noise continues.

I hate say it but it sounds more like a rod know to me.

I was an automatic transmission specialist at a Pontiac/GMC dealer in the later 90's. Across from me was the "heavy line" department (Engines, differentials).
There was one tech long of tooth named "Charlie".... known for speed; the wet dream of any shop manager .

He got a seized engine job in on a 1500 Sierra truck one day. Zip Zap! That engine was out and on the ground in record time, along with the trans torque converter, inasmuch as the engine wouldn't turn. The management team was a-grinnin'!

Charlie put the engine up on the engine stand after removing the converter and flywheel. When he got the serpentine belt off, he went to remove the crank bolt and the engine turned.... !!

Come to find out, the alternator bearings were seized up!

There: THAT oughta scare you about some technicians!

EDIT P.S. Charlie DID put the engine back in, and a new alternator. Since Charlie had been with the stealership since ground was broken, they paid him for the R&R time for the engine. I have seen that kind of mishap MANY times in the years (49) that I've been doing this for a living!
Personally and professionally, he didn't deserve being paid for "jumping out of a perfectly good airplane with no parachute"!