"Confirmed", new v8 is being fastracked at dodge

[Six Turboed]

^^^ compare apples to apples. Times have changed

These motors are not in boost all the time.
They do operate with significant boost pressure across a wide range of engine speeds due to their twin-turbocharger design, meaning they are considered to be in boost for a large portion of their operating range; the exact boost level varies depending on the engine's power output and driving conditions.

Everyone has their own opinion

 

[ramffml]

Can you expand on that comment ? My “HD” Ram 2500 has a Turbo.

I should have said "turbo gassers". Your engine weighs 1000 pounds, built like a tank, massive connecting rods, its used in busses and heavy duty equipment like that. Completely different than a small displacement car engine that is wrung to an inch of its life.

 

[ramffml]

^^^ compare apples to apples. Times have changed

These motors are not in boost all the time.
They do operate with significant boost pressure across a wide range of engine speeds due to their twin-turbocharger design, meaning they are considered to be in boost for a large portion of their operating range; the exact boost level varies depending on the engine's power output and driving conditions.

Everyone has their own opinion

It's not an opinion. Why do you think Ford, the queen of tiny turbos, has not stuck one in their real trucks? The 3.5 EB is putting out lots of torque, certainly enough to compete with the 6.4 BGE from Ram. But they use a 6.8 and 7.3 "big block" because a small turbo cannot handle the duty cycle of a heavy duty truck, nor will it return acceptable fuel efficiency while being worked hard. If you watch one of the TFL videos where they interviewed an engineer, he basically comes out and says that.

 

[Six Turboed]

Like I said opinions vary. This motor is built different than any Ford motor. Time will tell, all the other BS is just that. This motor is new in the Ram Trunk for the 25 year and until a few years pass barring a complete meltdown of the every I6 and Ram has to buy back every truck sold TIME will tell it all and it will be the undeniable TRUTH because the motor will have done what it was built for!

Engineer Deep Dive: 3.0L Hurricane Engine - Turbo Life, Oil and Intervals and More

Stellantis new 3.0L Hurricane engine is new for the Ram 1500 and Publisher Tim Esterdahl gets the chance to deep dive with one of the chief engineers behind ...

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A V6 and V8s are a completely different motor than the INLINE 6.

 

[jejb]

For any auto manufacturer to “fast-track” smells like a mess if you ask me!

Agreed. Last time I bought one of those (03 Ford 6.0 PSD), I had to lemon law it. No way would I take a motor rushed into production again. Let someone else work the bugs out.

 

[HEMIMANN]

It's not an opinion. Why do you think Ford, the queen of tiny turbos, has not stuck one in their real trucks? The 3.5 EB is putting out lots of torque, certainly enough to compete with the 6.4 BGE from Ram. But they use a 6.8 and 7.3 "big block" because a small turbo cannot handle the duty cycle of a heavy duty truck, nor will it return acceptable fuel efficiency while being worked hard. If you watch one of the TFL videos where they interviewed an engineer, he basically comes out and says that.

Give up. Not willing to learn history.

 

[ramffml]

Like I said opinions vary. This motor is built different than any Ford motor. Time will tell, all the other BS is just that. This motor is new in the Ram Trunk for the 25 year and until a few years pass barring a complete meltdown of the every I6 and Ram has to buy back every truck sold TIME will tell it all and it will be the undeniable TRUTH because the motor will have done what it was built for!

Engineer Deep Dive: 3.0L Hurricane Engine - Turbo Life, Oil and Intervals and More

Stellantis new 3.0L Hurricane engine is new for the Ram 1500 and Publisher Tim Esterdahl gets the chance to deep dive with one of the chief engineers behind ...

www.youtube.com

A V6 and V8s are a completely different motor than the INLINE 6.

It's not the architecture like v6 or inline 6. It's the fact that you're taking a small displacement, lightweight passenger car engine, and stressing the everliving cr@p out of it.

The hemi is not perfect either. But at least its a solid cast iron block, naturally aspirated, and we have decade+ of real world experience on how well it does not only in the 1500, but in the 2500 as well. The 5.7 was used as the base engine there for years.

GM's history is informative as well. They have what is basically the same engine design (though different displacement) in their cars and half tons, as well as their heavy duty trucks. But the heavy duty trucks have at least one major difference, a cast iron block. Their passenger car versions are aluminum.

I honestly hope the hurricane does well. For most people, especially those who trade them off every few years I'm sure the power gains is more attractive than any concerns about engine life and durability. But if I were a betting man, what engine takes more abuse and lives longer, the hemi would be on top of the hurricane every time.

 

[ramffml]

Agreed. Last time I bought one of those (03 Ford 6.0 PSD), I had to lemon law it. No way would I take a motor rushed into production again. Let someone else work the bugs out.

"Fast tracked" doesn't have to mean "rushed".

 

[Six Turboed]

It's not the architecture like v6 or inline 6. It's the fact that you're taking a small displacement, lightweight passenger car engine, and stressing the everliving cr@p out of it.

The hemi is not perfect either. But at least its a solid cast iron block, naturally aspirated, and we have decade+ of real world experience on how well it does not only in the 1500, but in the 2500 as well. The 5.7 was used as the base engine there for years.

GM's history is informative as well. They have what is basically the same engine design (though different displacement) in their cars and half tons, as well as their heavy duty trucks. But the heavy duty trucks have at least one major difference, a cast iron block. Their passenger car versions are aluminum.

I honestly hope the hurricane does well. For most people, especially those who trade them off every few years I'm sure the power gains is more attractive than any concerns about engine life and durability. But if I were a betting man, what engine takes more abuse and lives longer, the hemi would be on top of the hurricane every time.

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Dan Topp]

Now with the electric car cheerleading is close to being over all the manufacturers are probably going to give us a break from the mandates for ending cars that don’t incinerate you.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Like I said opinions vary. This motor is built different than any Ford motor. Time will tell, all the other BS is just that. This motor is new in the Ram Trunk for the 25 year and until a few years pass barring a complete meltdown of the every I6 and Ram has to buy back every truck sold TIME will tell it all and it will be the undeniable TRUTH because the motor will have done what it was built for!

Engineer Deep Dive: 3.0L Hurricane Engine - Turbo Life, Oil and Intervals and More

Stellantis new 3.0L Hurricane engine is new for the Ram 1500 and Publisher Tim Esterdahl gets the chance to deep dive with one of the chief engineers behind ...

www.youtube.com

A V6 and V8s are a completely different motor than the INLINE 6.

Here - engineering isn't BS. I used this in my career. I'm retired now. Suggest some understanding of the subject prior to posting incorrect statements to experts.

https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2010-01-0200/

 

[Six Turboed]

Here - engineering isn't BS. I used this in my career. I'm retired now. Suggest some understanding of the subject prior to posting incorrect statements to experts.

https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2010-01-0200/

Everything I have stated in print is factual, some common sense would state so. You do not need a publication to see that! I had a bunch more to say but I deleted it!
Until anyone can post actual physical documentation about the Hurricane motor it is all dribble and my old butt has better things to do!

All the best and thank you for your opinion

 

[ramffml]

Nice video on v8's:

V8: The Engine of America | Full Documentary

When discussing the future of the automobile there are those who are quick to spool up the doom and gloom, foreshadowing an Orwellian not-too-distant-future ...

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[Scottly]

Someone contact the engineering office and remind them to install the camshaft oilers in this new engine, please.

 

[ramffml]

Someone contact the engineering office and remind them to install the camshaft oilers in this new engine, please.

Maybe they need to look at cummins:

RAM 2500 6.7L CUMMINS Hydraulic Lifter Failures *Diesel Mechanic Explains* | Not Good?

Ram 2500 6.7L Cummins Diesel Hydraulic lifter failures are become more evident and as a diesel mechanic I take a look and explained what is happening with th...

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[Grams]

It's not an opinion. Why do you think Ford, the queen of tiny turbos, has not stuck one in their real trucks?…

That’s an Easy One…. Ford does not Make a “real truck”.

(sorry….couldn’t resist)

(former F150 fan)

 

[HEMIMANN]

That's quite enough of that newb know-it-all. Bye.

 

[Marshall]

Can we get a double ohc 318 hemi turbo making 500hp with 25mpg. 6 bolt main aluminum block. Multi fuel. Asking for a friend. lol

I'll take a 340 like that

 

[nlambert182]

Over 500 HP in the 2500s is good HP for any truck. These things will pull a dang house or two!

Meh, it might do ok towing for short distances in comparison to a 5.7 but it will not hold up longer distances against a 6.4 and certainly not against a 6.7.

The 6.4 gets to it's max torque number (which is really the one that matters for towing, not HP) without requiring a turbo. The Hurricane requires two turbos to provide boost at ~22psi to reach the torque output of the Hemi. That's going to lead to hotter cylinder temps, higher cylinder pressures, and more wear on the engine. It isn't built nor designed like a diesel.

You've essentially given the truck a shot of steroids to do what others can do naturally and hope that it doesn't cause a heart attack. There's no savings by doing it.


The 5.7 Hemi makes 410 lb/ft of torque at 4,000 rpms.
The 6.4 Hemi makes 470 lb/ft of torque at 4,300 rpms.

The 6.7 Cummins makes over 1k lb/ft of torque at 1,700 rpms.

The 3.0 Hurricane makes 468 lb/ft at 3,500 rpms.


We saw this with our Ecoboost, and it was one of the things we disliked the most about it. Yes, it's "neat" that they take a tiny engine, slap a couple of turbos on it, and make some high numbers but it isn't something I'd want to rely on long term for moving a load. Whether it's an I6 or a V6, the principle behind how they built it is exactly the same.

Unless they're going to shove a large bore cast iron block, HD connecting rods, and everything else required to withstand the cylinder pressure that turbos produce, it isn't going to be a 300k mile engine. That applies to all of the turbo sixer gas burners.. not just the Hurricane.

Naturally aspirated or diesels are much better suited for that task.

 

[nlambert182]

"Fast tracked" doesn't have to mean "rushed".

I worked for International/Navistar when the 6.0 AND 6.4 came out. They too were fast tracked. Look at how it turned out for them. There is no way to fast track it without rushing. There needs to be years of R&D before releasing to the public.