CUT OPEN YOUR OIL FILTER! Guess they didn't fix the rocker / lifter / cam problem.

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7000 miles between oil changes is just plain insane to me. I dont care what these oil companies proclaim. Im still a 3-4k max guy.
Yeah, me too. Almost all my driving is short trips, bad for oil.
Plus, I do my own service work, and (at ~$40) an oil/filter change is virtually free.
 
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That 3.6 is hot garbage. I've got one in my 2020 Wrangler. Oil and plugs were religiously changed. First set of cams and lifters died with Shell 0/W20. The SECOND set of cams a lifters died with Mobile 1 5/W20. 83k miles and the thing is dead in my driveway waiting for me to figure out how to hook a 5.7 hemi up to a manual transmission with 4x4, Mopar hasn't made this combination since 2009ish.

Anyway, if I was you, I'd stick enough STP into the crank case to get it quiet and sell it.
 

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My 2020 Gladiator started digesting valve train components half way across Nevada pulling a small trailer. 103,000 miles, well maintained. To it's credit it didn't leave me on the side of the road.

I'll have no more 3.6 Pentastar.
 
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If anyone was following, 3 weeks now. Hoping it's done today. Can't remember the number but 6 of one, 4 of another ate and 3 cams damaged. Took a week to get approval and the dealer F'd around for a week of excuses before they even tore it down but it is what it is. They're replacing all 4 cams and all 24 lifters and rockers.

Top end is clean as a whistle. No buildup, no sludge, spotless. Just parts failure. I told them to put new coil packs on the drivers side since it's a big job to tear down and replace and then new plugs since she's almost at 100k. Coil packs are cheap, labor to install isn't. Thought it was worth it.

Honestly I am second guessing it all. I asked for parts numbers so I could check to see if they were updated and was reluctantly told, "They're the same as they have been unfortunate. It's luck of the draw. They have been updating parts numbers and saying it's fixed since 2016". Part of me wants to be done but what to replace it with? Nothing seems reliable anymore for the long haul. Pay what's left off and keep making that payment amount into saving to rebuild as I go. The days of running 150-200k + without major issues is gone I guess.
 

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If anyone was following, 3 weeks now. Hoping it's done today. Can't remember the number but 6 of one, 4 of another ate and 3 cams damaged. Took a week to get approval and the dealer F'd around for a week of excuses before they even tore it down but it is what it is. They're replacing all 4 cams and all 24 lifters and rockers.

Top end is clean as a whistle. No buildup, no sludge, spotless. Just parts failure. I told them to put new coil packs on the drivers side since it's a big job to tear down and replace and then new plugs since she's almost at 100k. Coil packs are cheap, labor to install isn't. Thought it was worth it.

Honestly I am second guessing it all. I asked for parts numbers so I could check to see if they were updated and was reluctantly told, "They're the same as they have been unfortunate. It's luck of the draw. They have been updating parts numbers and saying it's fixed since 2016". Part of me wants to be done but what to replace it with? Nothing seems reliable anymore for the long haul. Pay what's left off and keep making that payment amount into saving to rebuild as I go. The days of running 150-200k + without major issues is gone I guess.

I hear ya brother! Seems like all major purchases are a crap shoot today. I hope that your repair yields many years of trouble free ownership.
 

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7000 miles between oil changes is just plain insane to me. I dont care what these oil companies proclaim. Im still a 3-4k max guy.
Use the right oil and oil filter and you can take it further with zero issues, period!
This has been proven time and time again here.

Now, I'm not suggesting to go 15K-miles... but with high end synthetic oil and a high end synthetic oil filter, one can extend to a greater OCI than 3-4K miles. This is fact, my friend ;)
 

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That 3.6 is hot garbage. I've got one in my 2020 Wrangler. Oil and plugs were religiously changed. First set of cams and lifters died with Shell 0/W20. The SECOND set of cams a lifters died with Mobile 1 5/W20. 83k miles and the thing is dead in my driveway waiting for me to figure out how to hook a 5.7 hemi up to a manual transmission with 4x4, Mopar hasn't made this combination since 2009ish.

Anyway, if I was you, I'd stick enough STP into the crank case to get it quiet and sell it.
The motor honey treatment....
Been a heck of a long time since I've heard the touting of STP motor honey...
 
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An update - $5000+ later and it's fixed. 3 weeks of BS. In my 5 decades on this planet I have never had a dealership experience worse than Frank Fletcher Ram. They posted a Carfax and Mopar service report as COMPLETED on the 11th and I wrote a review for that. It wasn't good of course. Then ANOTHER service record showed up a couple days after I picked it up and they had the mileage rolled back 60,000+ miles and Carfax sent me an email about the "mileage inconsistency" that could affect my vehicle value. I called the customer number on Mopar.com and they told me the service dept would have to correct that, they couldn't. I thought the receipt would be enough to discredit that mileage error but it wasn't. I looked at a new 2025 Ram Bighorn the other day and decided to trade because prices are finally down. That dealer used the mileage record to lowball me 4k on trade in because "We'll have trouble selling a truck that looks like the odometers been rolled back". So, no new truck.

Week 1 - If they had told me people were out sick, let's reschedule, I would have understood and had a vehicle.
Week 2 - If they told me they were still running behind, let's arrange something, I would have understood and had a vehicle.
Week 3 - By the time they told me warranty repairs are approved, it was too late to get a rental car. And then the guy decided to pop off in front of the rest of the service department... Nobody so much as responded. That tells me, that's just how they operate.

Reached out to their corporate service dept head and sent him the info and we'll see if they correct it. My 2nd review will be based on that. But here's my 1st review.

Appt on Monday November 11th, mechanic out sick, live a town over so I left it thinking it would get done that week. Wednesday lady tells me they're starting the teardown. Friday ITS STILL OUTSIDE UNTOUCHED. 1 week went by and Friday I finally got called, NEXT WEEK! Then this "completed service" shows up of Mopar.com and Carfax.com. Works not even started! Next week goes by. Fletcher calls to ask me about my service experience THATS DONE. Not done, you still got it - oops, sorry. Week 2 goes by and it finally gets in and they're waiting for a warranty inspector "Thursday or Friday maybe". Friday, nope, they haven't been here. I call warranty, they look at notes, there was supposed to be an appointment set up for the inspector, but nothing set. Keep in mind, until approved, I can't even get rental car reimbursement and Thanksgiving is coming and even a Mitsubishi Mirage is now $89 a day. 3rd week things get moving, it's approved and he calls Wednesday hoping to have it done Friday, GREAT! I check after the call There's now NO rental cars available because the next day is Thanksgiving. Friday I call and keep getting sent to voicemail. Was hoping to be done but stupidly waited instead of catching a ride to my family 2.5 hours south for a couple days of the holiday. Finally cornered a lady on the phone who tells me they're service advisor left early. Not only did they get 4k+ for engine repairs from warranty, I paid them another 600 for new maintenance parts, since they were in there already. It's not 1 persons failure, it's the business practice. "It's not my job" feels like the baseline. Even at pickup today December 3rd, when he asked "how was your Thanksgiving" and I said I didn't have one because it was too late for a rental car I got "I don't want to hear it! I called you Wednesday". I know now, all the bad things I heard about Fletcher were true. Never again
 

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So obviously it's not over, but was/is paying for the warranty worth it? Time is money and constraints to a warranty considering, would you do it again? Or would you skip it saving that money as a nest egg for a just in case scenario like this?
 
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So obviously it's not over, but was/is paying for the warranty worth it? Time is money and constraints to a warranty considering, would you do it again? Or would you skip it saving that money as a nest egg for a just in case scenario like this?
Yes, it was worth it for me. Out the door $2200 for 5 years and 100k bumper to bumper warranty. They paid $700 for a 4 wheel drive actuator issue last year and now $4000+ for this and I still have 6k miles left. This 3 weeks was not the fault of the warranty company, it was the dealership. The truck wasn’t to the point of throwing codes or drivability issues, it was at the start with ticking. Had they just been upfront and honest, I’d have worked with them but the ignored calls, gave bad info, etc. The rocket arm failure is well documented and doesn’t grenade the engine, it gets progressively worse until misfires happen.

I think most of us work in places that have had trouble finding good employees. Trouble filling positions. Trouble finding people with a good work ethic who show up. I can totally understand that and feel for other folks who are overloaded and overworked because of employee shortages. I can even understand barking back and snapping at an a$$hole customer. This was different. At the 2week mark he’d barked at me about being sick and I let it go. When I got information I made sure to thank him and tell him I appreciated it. I know what it’s like to get dumped on. That didn’t matter in the end. I needed it done and woulda helped get it moving.
 
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