Dyno results

[Graygoose]

We need to meet up sometime Goose. I would love to pick your brain on an system for my truck.

sure deal, we are thinking if we can get our new combo lined out we may come to a dyno day there in OKC but at Alternative Motorsports. I will for sure PM ya

 

[earlzach]

QUOTE=Lhemi;770355]If you follow the 20% increase at the crank that means my truck is 388hp at the crank. Well 388.8 which is down 1.2 hp from the stock advertised horsepower.
Anyone can add my mod list up and see the amount of money I've spent to loose 1.2 hp. If you where just going off Dyno numbers it doesn't make any since, my truck is faster than the day I bought it. But that's just my butt Dyno, no data to prove it. In fact this Dyno shows I've spent a lot of money to make my truck slower.[/QUOTE]

Ive been on forums like this since my First Hemi Ram in 03.
I have to admit your pull looked and sounded great.
Unfortunatly I have over the years witnesed the same situation where too many power adders decrease hp or provide only very minimal gains for the value.
Butt dyno can be your best friend. One thing I learned about power adders is most of them change the approch of the power delivery. It can be a good feeling and might even bump up the 1/4 time a tad.

I have always questioned, since Ram does not support aftermarket well with performance programming much. Would I be too far out of line to thinlk that even with this added and thet bolted on the computer and all of its sensors will continue to adjust the perameters of the motor to keep it in check.

Think about it, If the throttle body is fly by wire and programmed to not ever hit WOT why wouldnt the computer and all of its sensors keep the truck from ever reaching full potential?
If the programmers out there dont allow custom mapping and WOT or say 1 to 1 pedal to throttle body how can the truck ever see its peak performance.
There is too much governing from Ram in the program. I wouldnt doubt for a second if the computer will always compensate power and speed to some degree when Items are added.
PLease be fore anyone gets real ignorant, this is only a thought.[

 

[Lhemi]

Ya but it's a thought, with thought in it. Cool.
I had often wondered if the bolt ons I had purchased would Dyno any gains. Being a old guy I'm more use to double the fuel, through a radical sounding cam, stick a big ass MDS box on it and see what happens and adjust from there.
This was my first ever, buying a "Performance" mod not knowing the gains.
I've decided to keep my truck and pay it off. Now I know where I'm at. My next mod will be Long Tubes, catless.
Let's see what those ******* do for my little truck.

 

[Jerseymike]

QUOTE=Lhemi;770355]If you follow the 20% increase at the crank that means my truck is 388hp at the crank. Well 388.8 which is down 1.2 hp from the stock advertised horsepower.
Anyone can add my mod list up and see the amount of money I've spent to loose 1.2 hp. If you where just going off Dyno numbers it doesn't make any since, my truck is faster than the day I bought it. But that's just my butt Dyno, no data to prove it. In fact this Dyno shows I've spent a lot of money to make my truck slower.

Ive been on forums like this since my First Hemi Ram in 03.
I have to admit your pull looked and sounded great.
Unfortunatly I have over the years witnesed the same situation where too many power adders decrease hp or provide only very minimal gains for the value.
Butt dyno can be your best friend. One thing I learned about power adders is most of them change the approch of the power delivery. It can be a good feeling and might even bump up the 1/4 time a tad.

I have always questioned, since Ram does not support aftermarket well with performance programming much. Would I be too far out of line to thinlk that even with this added and thet bolted on the computer and all of its sensors will continue to adjust the perameters of the motor to keep it in check.

Think about it, If the throttle body is fly by wire and programmed to not ever hit WOT why wouldnt the computer and all of its sensors keep the truck from ever reaching full potential?
If the programmers out there dont allow custom mapping and WOT or say 1 to 1 pedal to throttle body how can the truck ever see its peak performance.
There is too much governing from Ram in the program. I wouldnt doubt for a second if the computer will always compensate power and speed to some degree when Items are added.
PLease be fore anyone gets real ignorant, this is only a thought.[[/QUOTE]

Here is a thought. The stock truck dynos at 290 hp. So Lhemi gained 35hp with a few bolt ons. And that is peak power. Im sure its more at lower rpms. Look at guys running in the high 12s. These trucks dont run that stock. So quit whining and saying the mods dont work. Thirteen second runs in a 5000+ lb truck that stilll gets 17 mpg is phenominal.

 

[DavidRam]

Ya but it's a thought, with thought in it. Cool.
I had often wondered if the bolt ons I had purchased would Dyno any gains. Being a old guy I'm more use to double the fuel, through a radical sounding cam, stick a big ass MDS box on it and see what happens and adjust from there.
This was my first ever, buying a "Performance" mod not knowing the gains.
I've decided to keep my truck and pay it off. Now I know where I'm at. My next mod will be Long Tubes, catless.
Let's see what those ******* do for my little truck.

^^^ For some reason, I am rather happy to hear that!!! If that was my truck and I had done to it what you have. I would NEVER get rid of it. Again, that things is a work of art, bro!

 

[aIIan]

Shoulda dynod her back when she was bone stock.

Only real way you would know whether or not you gained numbers with bolt ons, sort of.

It's funny, this board is full of certain vendors using dyno gains as their number one sales pitch. Sort of makes you wonder.

 

[Lhemi]

When she was bone stock, that's how I planned on keeping it. Really it's just the thought of being without a truck payment that's got my pee pee hard.
The 14's are nice and ya I miss my big ass 4x4's but man that extra 6hundo a month just to do what ever with....this time next year that's going to be 1 little bad ass truck

 

[Lhemi]

I would bet money the only mods that show on a Dyno is my exhausts and the Hemifever tune.
The mod I feel like improved the performance would be the Hellwig/rotors/pads/drop/tires those where mods that I knew where on the truck.

 

[earlzach]

Here is a thought. The stock truck dynos at 290 hp. So Lhemi gained 35hp with a few bolt ons. And that is peak power. Im sure its more at lower rpms. Look at guys running in the high 12s. These trucks dont run that stock. So quit whining and saying the mods dont work. Thirteen second runs in a 5000+ lb truck that stilll gets 17 mpg is phenominal.

Whos whining?
I really could care less Im not invested in his mods.
Lhemi himself felt only a couple items acutually made a difference. I didnt say every mod is a fail. But Ill tell you this not every mod is a winner either.
I wasnt rude to him at all. Or knocked him for his performance. Mearly letting him know hes not the first to bolt on power adder mods that failed to tickle the fancy for the value. Dynos are bubble poppers. They will take the wind out of your sails.

I dont think you got what I was saying to him at all.


I said to him most mods improve 1/4 mile times and give good Butt Dyno.

He is not he first person to bolt on a lot of items and actually not be thrilled on a dyno. Its the way it is. I never said bolt ons make it slower.
Not every HP claim with actually contribute or show up.

Most claims are over rated. Sorry for the truth. And I would be surprised if he is still getting 17 mpg average. And if he is then he is down from what at one time might have been 21mpg. either way you dont improve fuel average it always goes down. So if its 17 mpg its down from something I assure you.

Whining? Please!

DC or Ram has never supported the performance market. I love these trucks been driving them since 96. Bought the 03 Hemi. I am sorry I was involved with forums that have CHapters and dyno days and everytime there would always be that big spender who shows up loud and full of goodies and cant believe how little he actually gained. Bolt ons are fun and dress up the truck suck gas and dissapoint on dynos. If I had that much into mine I know I would be dissapointed. But untill it hit a dyno my butt and better acceleration would be making me happy.

Maybe the OP is not dissapointed. I felt he was. To each their own.

 

[Lhemi]

My truck only gets 23mpg.... Wait that sounds like I'm whining too...
Just stating facts....

 

[earlzach]

My truck only gets 23mpg.... Wait that sounds like I'm whining too...
Just stating facts....

Just to be clear, Did I come off to you as if I was knocking you and your mods in any way? If so i didnt mean it. I was infact trying to support your efforts and results and let you know you took the same path so many before you have and had similar results. I think people should stick to 1/4 times and seat of pants acceleration and stay away from dynos.
They are bubble poppers.

 

[BlownGP]

Shoulda dynod her back when she was bone stock.

Only real way you would know whether or not you gained numbers with bolt ons, sort of.

It's funny, this board is full of certain vendors using dyno gains as their number one sales pitch. Sort of makes you wonder.

x2

That's the only to know what you gained. Better yet, Do a dyno after every mod. But yea no ones going to do that..

To be honest, manufacturers have gotten very effiecet with these late model engines. With all the emission laws and MPG ratings. Really the only thing holding them back in tunning. Manufacturers put a lame tunes on them..

You'd be lucky to get 10-15hp from a intake/exhaust on new cars. Save for the vararam I guess. hahaha. It's so bad ass

 

[The Unabomber]

Shoulda dynod her back when she was bone stock.

Only real way you would know whether or not you gained numbers with bolt ons, sort of.

It's funny, this board is full of certain vendors using dyno gains as their number one sales pitch. Sort of makes you wonder.

I'd extend an offer to any vendor to test their claims on their products. I'd pay for the product up front as well as dyno time.

If their product performs as advertised I'd give them the praise and advertisement they deserve. If it doesn't live up to the hype I'd request they pay for the parts and dyno time.

I doubt many vendors if any would step up.

CAI's and ported TB's don't make the power they claim. They marginally help, but not as much as the manufacture claims.

 

[Jerseymike]

Just to be clear, Did I come off to you as if I was knocking you and your mods in any way? If so i didnt mean it. I was infact trying to support your efforts and results and let you know you took the same path so many before you have and had similar results. I think people should stick to 1/4 times and seat of pants acceleration and stay away from dynos.
They are bubble poppers.

I didnt think you were knocking his mods, but agreeing that mods dont work. I think the dyno shows that the mods did work. Now for those that are expecting 395 whp stock then adding max claims for cai, ptb, cat back, tune, etc are going to be greatly disappointed. But for the majority of people who spend the time to read through the forum they will understand that the mods complement each other to come up with gains over a stock truck. And a 13 second 5000lb brick that gets 23 mpg is GRRRREAT!! I have had no problems with my Diablo tuner.

 

[DavidRam]

If I have learned one thing from this thread, it's that I am NOT getting my truck dynoed! Lol!

I know the combination of all of my mods are working, because my truck is a completely different animal than stock.

Ofcourse the gains are not "as advertised", but what product ever is?! When I first met my wife, she told me how great she is and all the things she can do, blah blah blah.
Don't get me wrong, she is a great chick, but not as great "As Advertised"!!!

 

[Lhemi]

I'd extend an offer to any vendor to test their claims on their products. I'd pay for the product up front as well as dyno time.

If their product performs as advertised I'd give them the praise and advertisement they deserve. If it doesn't live up to the hype I'd request they pay for the parts and dyno time.

I doubt many vendors if any would step up.

CAI's and ported TB's don't make the power they claim. They marginally help, but not as much as the manufacture claims.

Shoot me 60 bucks a pop and... Well never mind. They whole Dyno augment is the chicken or the egg.
I'm going to Dyno from here on out because every mod now is $1000+ and I better be picking up some ponys.
Up until now, it was just for cool points and to add a little Hemi foot to a already bad ass truck.

 

[BlackRamHemi]

Personally I find Dyno results somewhat inconclusive
CAI and Ram air mods are nearly useless if you're not gaining the ram-air effect.

Things like High Stall Torque Converters and Lower Gears make almost no difference on a Dyno,
Yet are two of the most noticeable mods on the street/strip.
(ask Tyler and GreyChevy...fastest NA Rams on the time slip list currently)

Dyno time is $150 around here for a couple pulls in a 15-20 minute time span.

I can do a Dozen runs at the local track on test/tune night for $25
over a 4-5 hour span.

On a weekend several years ago a buddy and I ran several different air box configurations and 3 different tuners on both our Rams.

Even removed his passenger side headlight to see if we could ram-air into his stock box with K&N drop in filter.
The real world driving results were actually useful. (Dyno was just a tuning tool, track is the measuring stick)

Plus we had a **** load of fun doing it

Track > Dyno

 

[DavidinGA]

On a weekend several years ago a buddy and I ran several different air box configurations and 3 different tuners on both our Rams.

Even removed his passenger side headlight to see if we could ram-air into his stock box with K&N drop in filter.

Plus we had a **** load of fun doing it

Track > Dyno

Results?

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[BlackRamHemi]

Results?

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Yup, we got results everytime
...a box full of time slips instead of a single dyno sheet that didn't mean ****
We started in 2010 and have been going regularly ever since.

 

[Graygoose]

Track IS nice if you have a 12-14 second car or truck. Dynos REALLY shine when you have a crap ton of power and really need to see what it needs. Dynos have their place, track has it's place.
Dynos also vary by vendor and manufacture, air temp, altitude, etc.