Etorque bolt-on?

[Grad12]

I want the Etorque. Bad. Ever since this concept came out this year, I think it is amazing. It will probably be the future of hybrid vehicles. It's simple, assist the gas engine with an electric engine; and this isn't the first time this has been implemented. This will clearly help gain more MPGs and I am all about MPGs in my truck as I drive a lot of highway miles. My question is:

Do you think the Etorque will be available as an aftermarket add-on for previous engines? Realistically the pentastar 3.6 hasn't changed since 2014, it should just kind of bolt on with a computer reprogram, no?


Thoughts?

 

[moparsigfan]

Typically the addition of these types of systems involves significant vehicle architecture changes / repackaging of drivetrains, not to mention major changes to the electrical systems. I’d put money on never seeing an OEM Offer this as a bolt on accessory!


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[stimpy433]

Never gonna happen.... that's how they get you to buy a new truck!!!! If they made it that you could easily put all the new gadgets on an older truck then they would never sell any new trucks.

 

[Grad12]

I've taken a look at a few pictures. It looks like they just took an extra electric motor and bolted it onto the pentastar. I'm sure there is a computer program that runs alongside, and perhaps an extra belt or two but this looks pretty simple in terms of visual mechanical engineering.

 

[Tach_tech]

It’s a lot more complicated than you think. Its completely integrated into the vehicle, not just an ad on. There is seperate modules,wiring, a 48v battery, the motor itself. I believe the motor on the 3.6 is liquid cooled as well.


If you want the e-torque you’re gonna have to buy a new truck.

 

[chrisp2493]

You lost me at “hybrid”


I Bleed Ram Trucks

 

[Squeaks]

You lost me at “hybrid”


I Bleed Ram Trucks

Waiting for delivery on a new 2019 Limited with an eTorque HEMI now (personal retirement vehicle not a work truck. The luxury features are amazing). I certainly am not a mechanical genius but I think it may be VERY difficult if not impossible to retrofit the eTorque concept to an existing vehicle. For one thing, where are you going to put 100lb battery pack? For another you have the issue of integrating it with the MDS functions of the HEMI. There's also the regenerative functions to keep the battery charged - no external charge capability is provided. I would think the reprograming of logic modules would be a bear. We'll see if the extra torque (130) and slightly improved mileage come to be.

 

[Squeaks]

You lost me at “hybrid”


I Bleed Ram Trucks

It's effectively a motor/starter/generator installed on the top front that "assists the engine" electronically to get moving resulting in more torque (130 in the HEMI, 90 in the 6) at startup and less wear and tear on the engine as well as some additional fuel economy. It replaces the traditional starter AND alternator and is run off of a 100lb battery pack installed behind the rear seats. The battery is kept charged through regenerative braking, there is no external power connection. It is belt driven but RAM testing has shown the belt should last the life of the vehicle; don't know about the unit or the battery. I've seen it referred to as a mini-hybrid. I have a 2019 Limited on order and you can bet I'll be telling my buddies it's a 400hp HEMI Hybred RAM 1500, even if that's stretching the truth a bit.

 

[RLJ10X]

That Etorque isn't going to give you something for nothing. What does it cost in addition to a regular Hemi? Sure, it'll give you better numbers, but you're packing 100 pounds of batteries. What if you have to replace a battery down the road? The pennies you saved on gas just went down the tubes.

If you want one badly, buy it. I'd take a diesel any day. But I'm still very pleased with my now old 2011.

You want sound advice on how to save money on gas, don't buy a great big, new pick up truck. Get a used Corolla. Gotta haul stuff? Buy a used mini van.

On average, money invested in the stock market doubles every 7 years. You want more money, invest it in something that's not going to depreciate more than 10% as soon as you drive it off the lot.

 

[jasonw]

It's effectively a motor/starter/generator installed on the top front that "assists the engine" electronically to get moving resulting in more torque (130 in the HEMI, 90 in the 6) at startup and less wear and tear on the engine as well as some additional fuel economy. It replaces the traditional starter AND alternator and is run off of a 100lb battery pack installed behind the rear seats. The battery is kept charged through regenerative braking, there is no external power connection. It is belt driven but RAM testing has shown the belt should last the life of the vehicle; don't know about the unit or the battery. I've seen it referred to as a mini-hybred, but not by RAM. I have a 2019 Limited on order and you can bet I'll be telling my buddies it's a 400hp HEMI Hybred RAM 1500, even if that's stretching the truth a bit.

One minor note... it does not straight-up replace the starter. There is still a starter on the truck. From what I remember, the traditional starter is used on first time/cold startups. After warm-up, especially with start-stop tech, it will start the engine instead of the starter.

 

[69GWC]

Man this is one thing I would not want thinking of it long term.
Expensive parts that will need to be replaced let alone the cost of those batteries.

 

[Riccochet]

Yeah, not a bolt on. It's going to have all the same features as any other hybrid. Batteries, regen braking, control modules. It's very integrated.

Probably a great system for those of us that replace their trucks every 3-4 years. Not so much for those that drive them in to the dirt.

Going to be a towing beast of a 1/2 ton truck, that's for sure. Almost 13,000 lb towing capacity.

 

[crash68]

There is always this:
https://echargersystem.com/

 

[Wild one]

There is always this:
https://echargersystem.com/

That is intriguing Crash.On paper it looks like a viable option to be retrofitted to an older truck

 

[Squeaks]

That Etorque isn't going to give you something for nothing. What does it cost in addition to a regular Hemi? Sure, it'll give you better numbers, but you're packing 100 pounds of batteries. What if you have to replace a battery down the road? The pennies you saved on gas just went down the tubes.

If you want one badly, buy it. I'd take a diesel any day. But I'm still very pleased with my now old 2011.

You want sound advice on how to save money on gas, don't buy a great big, new pick up truck. Get a used Corolla. Gotta haul stuff? Buy a used mini van.

On average, money invested in the stock market doubles every 7 years. You want more money, invest it in something that's not going to depreciate more than 10% as soon as you drive it off the lot.

LOL
If you're the kind that "worries about the MPG's and cost of fuel", pretty sure you won't be dropping the bucks for a 2019 RAM Limited - it's not about increased mileage. It's all about the new technology in ramtown and it's not just the eTorque ….. I kind of like the idea of being able to say I'm driving a "hybrid" RAM 1500 pickup truck that can tow 13,000lbs and carry 3,000lbs!
Also, thanks for the tip on the stock market but I notice you didn't give any real tips on the hot stocks. I learned LONG AGO you simply buy low and sell high! LOL again.
By-the-way, it's about $800 over the regular HEMI.

 

[boxofrokx]

If that's what you want... get it. I hope it help you pull them unshaven hippy chicks.

Slim chance you will see one in the after market. It has a level of complexity similar to a super charger. It would likely have a similar cost. In the $6k range plus installation? To have it shop installed maybe $10k and then you have a Frankenstein that would have less value than you started with. If you want a hybrid, trade in what you have and get a hybrid.... and a hairy girlfriend. Do you like chicks with hairy pits?

 

[Kidder]

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By-the-way, it's about $800 over the regular HEMI.

The price just increased on the Hemi eTorque from $1995 to $2645!

 

[NCRaineman]

Yeah, not a bolt on. It's going to have all the same features as any other hybrid. Batteries, regen braking, control modules. It's very integrated.

Probably a great system for those of us that replace their trucks every 3-4 years. Not so much for those that drive them in to the dirt.

These hybrid systems are more durable than you think. Check the Prius forums, they run for a LONG time before things like computers and batteries need replacing.

 

[FXCLM5]

These hybrid systems are more durable than you think. Check the Prius forums, they run for a LONG time before things like computers and batteries need replacing.

Yea our hybrid taxis are like 300k+ easy all day, you ask the drivers, they are like i dunno been driving the same thing for like 3 years no real problems etc.....