Fox Shocks and Icon....?

[PerfectCreature]

Thanks! I'm pretty excited. I'll post the measurements as soon as I get them. I also plan to start a full truck build thread and/or do a mini install thread, hopefully answering some questions along the way!




I had those same thoughts...in fact, like mentioned above...I went from thinking a 2.5" spacer was fine...to thinking I just needed UCAs to compliment the spacer...to wanting Bils 5100s...then Bils 6112...then going full hawg and getting the damn Icons! Ha, still second guessing the investment (seeing as I actually LIKE the stock ride!) but I do kinda rip it off road a bit and don't want things to fall apart.

For me, as is, the stage 2 is already a significant expenditure on a daily driver, that's only a year old, that I still owe $$$ on. Stepping up to the rear reservoirs is just really out of the question financially. If it wasn't, I would have gotten them....and probably the ones with the dials.

My off roading has me on steep narrow rocky trails in the Eastern Sierra foothills and mining roads in Death Valley...just as often as it finds me going fast for miles and miles in the desert (gotta access those mining roads!). So, I run my suspension for an hour or two on moderate washboard and dips/whoops, then I may need it to fully cycle slowly up rocks. Reservoirs would probably be a good idea. The dials when changing from fast to slow piston hits would be beneficial too.

All that said...I don't think I NEED them! The front Icon coilovers at 2.5" vs Fox at 2.0 were a big selling point, so I get a bit more cooling and oil to control the heavy Hemi that way...but the 2.0 in the rear will do for the price. If they blow, I can rebuild...shoot, I think I can buy another back up set, and swap out while the blown pair is being rebuilt to save down time...all for less than one set of resi's!

I've read time and time again that you don't need reservoirs if you're not driving for hours and hours, aggressively cycling the suspension. How true that is, I don't know because I'm new at this!

In the end I have to keep reminding myself this is my normal regular daily truck. It's not a rock crawler or trophy truck. It's capable of some wheeling and WILL be used off road often, but it's main purpose it to survive for years and look decent and be reliable. I intend to buy an off road rig and mod it when this is paid off.

Be honest with your 1st priority with the truck, then buy what compliments that purpose, w/o compromising too much!

This was the desiding post for me, the items in bold really solidified my original choice to upgrade, but not spend a ton of money right off.

 

[ram1500rsm]

Thanks! I'm pretty excited. I'll post the measurements as soon as I get them. I also plan to start a full truck build thread and/or do a mini install thread, hopefully answering some questions along the way!




I had those same thoughts...in fact, like mentioned above...I went from thinking a 2.5" spacer was fine...to thinking I just needed UCAs to compliment the spacer...to wanting Bils 5100s...then Bils 6112...then going full hawg and getting the damn Icons! Ha, still second guessing the investment (seeing as I actually LIKE the stock ride!) but I do kinda rip it off road a bit and don't want things to fall apart.

For me, as is, the stage 2 is already a significant expenditure on a daily driver, that's only a year old, that I still owe $$$ on. Stepping up to the rear reservoirs is just really out of the question financially. If it wasn't, I would have gotten them....and probably the ones with the dials.

My off roading has me on steep narrow rocky trails in the Eastern Sierra foothills and mining roads in Death Valley...just as often as it finds me going fast for miles and miles in the desert (gotta access those mining roads!). So, I run my suspension for an hour or two on moderate washboard and dips/whoops, then I may need it to fully cycle slowly up rocks. Reservoirs would probably be a good idea. The dials when changing from fast to slow piston hits would be beneficial too.

All that said...I don't think I NEED them! The front Icon coilovers at 2.5" vs Fox at 2.0 were a big selling point, so I get a bit more cooling and oil to control the heavy Hemi that way...but the 2.0 in the rear will do for the price. If they blow, I can rebuild...shoot, I think I can buy another back up set, and swap out while the blown pair is being rebuilt to save down time...all for less than one set of resi's!

I've read time and time again that you don't need reservoirs if you're not driving for hours and hours, aggressively cycling the suspension. How true that is, I don't know because I'm new at this!

In the end I have to keep reminding myself this is my normal regular daily truck. It's not a rock crawler or trophy truck. It's capable of some wheeling and WILL be used off road often, but it's main purpose it to survive for years and look decent and be reliable. I intend to buy an off road rig and mod it when this is paid off.

Be honest with your 1st priority with the truck, then buy what compliments that purpose, w/o compromising too much!

Will look forward to that build thread.
I'll be doing the coilovers/shocks rebuilt on my own when the time comes, seems fun and not very complicated after watching a bunch of youtube videos, will see

 

[Goose_1327]

This has me wanting to rework my suspension so badly. Currently rocking the 5100s in all 4 corners and 1.5” icon rear coils but I want to swap to the icon 2.5 coil overs, delta joint UCAs, and either 2.0s with resi as they are way cheaper and still solid or if I feel really feisty I’ll go with the 2.5 rear shocks. Decisions decisions!


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[2010 Infantry Vet]

I already spoke with Icon, reason they do not have a resevoir on the ram coilover is space. They said there isn’t a lot of room, but they can add them if wanted.
$300 per coilover for the non-adjustable resevoir.

 

[wisey113]

This has me wanting to rework my suspension so badly. Currently rocking the 5100s in all 4 corners and 1.5” icon rear coils but I want to swap to the icon 2.5 coil overs, delta joint UCAs, and either 2.0s with resi as they are way cheaper and still solid or if I feel really feisty I’ll go with the 2.5 rear shocks. Decisions decisions!


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Goose,

Did you get the full 1.5" of lift out of those Icon rear coils? I've been looking in to them, but have heard a few people say that it's realistically only 1" after they settle.

Cheers,

Jamie

 

[ram1500rsm]

Goose,

Did you get the full 1.5" of lift out of those Icon rear coils? I've been looking in to them, but have heard a few people say that it's realistically only 1" after they settle.

Cheers,

Jamie

I have the Icon 1.5" coil springs and can verify they've settled to 1" (i have a full 17"wheel/315 tire as a spare in my bed that weights 100lbs, maybe they'll be 1.5" without that option being there), however it's the only coil spring i know of in the 1.5" range that is actually longer than stock and progressive, and they can extend a little more compared to a linear spring at same height. All the others springs like TTC and Super coil are shorter (haven't been able to check on the Carli option), but have thicker coil so they lift your rear more because the truck doesn't sag down as much on stock weight. I run 27 1/2" exended shocks with this coils, which is basically 2" longer than stock. None of the other coils will allow you to run such a thing without at least a 2.5-3" spacer or straps, unless you run 3-4" coils (still trying to find out what do we have in that regards)

 

[Goose_1327]

Goose,

Did you get the full 1.5" of lift out of those Icon rear coils? I've been looking in to them, but have heard a few people say that it's realistically only 1" after they settle.

Cheers,

Jamie

Pretty sure it was close to 1.25ish but I’ll double check when I get off work.


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[Goose_1327]

I already spoke with Icon, reason they do not have a resevoir on the ram coilover is space. They said there isn’t a lot of room, but they can add them if wanted.
$300 per coilover for the non-adjustable resevoir.

$300 extra for a resi?


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[2010 Infantry Vet]

$300 extra for a resi?


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Did you call them, how much did they tell you?

 

[Goose_1327]

Did you call them, how much did they tell you?

I didn’t as this project of mine is still a couple months away but I sure can


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[PerfectCreature]

Hey guys, getting these on in a few days. Wanted to verify what everyone is running for toe-in and caster.
From what I can find, about .05 total toe and around 5 degree caster is what is recommended for a level?

 

[2010 Infantry Vet]

I didn’t as this project of mine is still a couple months away but I sure can


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With an adjustable compression resevoir, they are about $1000. Each

 

[BellevilleRam]

I have the Icon 1.5" coil springs and can verify they've settled to 1" (i have a full 17"wheel/315 tire as a spare in my bed that weights 100lbs, maybe they'll be 1.5" without that option being there), however it's the only coil spring i know of in the 1.5" range that is actually longer than stock and progressive, and they can extend a little more compared to a linear spring at same height. All the others springs like TTC and Super coil are shorter (haven't been able to check on the Carli option), but have thicker coil so they lift your rear more because the truck doesn't sag down as much on stock weight. I run 27 1/2" exended shocks with this coils, which is basically 2" longer than stock. None of the other coils will allow you to run such a thing without at least a 2.5-3" spacer or straps, unless you run 3-4" coils (still trying to find out what do we have in that regards)

How are you liking those King coil overs? How is the ride quality compared to stock? I’m considering switching from my Bilstein 5100’s to something that will give better damping and hopefully be smoother over potholes and washboard roads etc. I’ll want shocks set to zero lift as I’m about to have a 6” Pro Comp suspension lift with all the hardware to correct angles etc. I’ve been alao looking into the Fox 2.5’s and the Icon 2.5’s. I want a smooth cushy ride!

 

[hodge-xj]

How are you liking those King coil overs? How is the ride quality compared to stock? I’m considering switching from my Bilstein 5100’s to something that will give better damping and hopefully be smoother over potholes and washboard roads etc. I’ll want shocks set to zero lift as I’m about to have a 6” Pro Comp suspension lift with all the hardware to correct angles etc. I’ve been alao looking into the Fox 2.5’s and the Icon 2.5’s. I want a smooth cushy ride!

One thing to remember, and it's something lots of people overlook on the bilstein 5100s is the valving is digressive. Basically when the shock is open all the way it's at its stiffest valving position. In some applications it helps "firm" up the handling and all is good. When paired with a pretty heavily preloaded spring to achieve lift, it starts to feel very harsh over sharp, quick hits like high speed wash board, pot holes etc. Kings initially feel firm, but it's weird because when you hit a hole or something and brace for the sharp hit, it's just not there. It's like a dull thud, and the harder you push them the better they run.


Does the kit you're goin with use strut spacers up front to achieve the lift for the 6"?

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[ram1500rsm]

How are you liking those King coil overs? How is the ride quality compared to stock? I’m considering switching from my Bilstein 5100’s to something that will give better damping and hopefully be smoother over potholes and washboard roads etc. I’ll want shocks set to zero lift as I’m about to have a 6” Pro Comp suspension lift with all the hardware to correct angles etc. I’ve been alao looking into the Fox 2.5’s and the Icon 2.5’s. I want a smooth cushy ride!

I love them, not much different on the street, they're firm like my Ranchos at #6/#7 when driving around the city but they absorb potholes or speedbumps like they're not there. offroad they're incredible, I haven't taken the truck to the desert yet, but i have a local fire road close to home that has potholes and washes and the ride is just silly plush the more speed i give to the truck, typically i'll drive my Ranchos at 35mph in this road and they'll start bouncing with more speed, so far i've had the truck at 60mph same road, and it's scary to think i can give her more speed if i wanted while feeling in complete control.

Something i found out Kings are not exactly 0" lift, for instance this is the passenger side (look at the gap above the adjusting collar
2018-12-22_05-44-21 by Wrangler RSM, on Flickr

and this one is the driver side
2018-12-22_05-44-10 by Wrangler RSM, on Flickr

I called King to find out how many turns will make 1" of lift as i thought this was the 0" setting and they said they're setup like that to level out the truck. I gave them 3 full turns down from their factory settings just in case before slapping them in my truck and that actually gave the truck enought lift to add around 2-2.25" of lift.

After 3 full turns
Passenger
Untitled by Wrangler RSM, on Flickr

Driver
Untitled by Wrangler RSM, on Flickr


I'm at 39 3/8" front at the moment after they've settled, case in point Kings seem to come from the factory preset at around 1.5", 5 full turns will make 1" lift, 2.5 turns will be around 1/2" inch lift, i may add another full turn in the adjuster but want to wait to add a prerunner style bumper first so i'll only have to adjust once.

Call Procomp and see if they have Coilovers for your kit for 6", i don't think you want to add a big spacer on top of your Coilovers if you're thinking to have fun in the dirt, BDS also have a Fox for 6", or any of the manufacturers can make you a 6" coilover so you don't have to add a spacer to top to gain lift.

 

[BellevilleRam]

One thing to remember, and it's something lots of people overlook on the bilstein 5100s is the valving is digressive. Basically when the shock is open all the way it's at its stiffest valving position. In some applications it helps "firm" up the handling and all is good. When paired with a pretty heavily preloaded spring to achieve lift, it starts to feel very harsh over sharp, quick hits like high speed wash board, pot holes etc. Kings initially feel firm, but it's weird because when you hit a hole or something and brace for the sharp hit, it's just not there. It's like a dull thud, and the harder you push them the better they run.


Does the kit you're goin with use strut spacers up front to achieve the lift for the 6"?

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It uses drop spindles up front. Thanks for the great information about the Bilsteins and the Kings!

 

[hodge-xj]

Listen to what ram 1500 has to say. He's running them and the dude is like an encyclopedia of info and data. We'll all do our best to give you facts and steer you in the direction you need to get it right

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[BellevilleRam]

I love them, not much different on the street, they're firm like my Ranchos at #6/#7 when driving around the city but they absorb potholes or speedbumps like they're not there. offroad they're incredible, I haven't taken the truck to the desert yet, but i have a local fire road close to home that has potholes and washes and the ride is just silly plush the more speed i give to the truck, typically i'll drive my Ranchos at 35mph in this road and they'll start bouncing with more speed, so far i've had the truck at 60mph same road, and it's scary to think i can give her more speed if i wanted while feeling in complete control.

Something i found out Kings are not exactly 0" lift, for instance this is the passenger side (look at the gap above the adjusting collar
2018-12-22_05-44-21 by Wrangler RSM, on Flickr

and this one is the driver side
2018-12-22_05-44-10 by Wrangler RSM, on Flickr

I called King to find out how many turns will make 1" of lift as i thought this was the 0" setting and they said they're setup like that to level out the truck. I gave them 3 full turns down from their factory settings just in case before slapping them in my truck and that actually gave the truck enought lift to add around 2-2.25" of lift.

After 3 full turns
Passenger
Untitled by Wrangler RSM, on Flickr

Driver
Untitled by Wrangler RSM, on Flickr


I'm at 39 1/4" front at the moment after they've settled, case in point Kings seem to come from the factory preset at around 1.5", 5 full turns will make 1" lift, 2.5 turns will be around 1/2" inch lift, i may add another full turn in the adjuster but want to wait to add a prerunner style bumper first so i'll only have to adjust once.

Call Procomp and see if they have Coilovers for your kit for 6", i don't think you want to add a big spacer on top of your Coilovers if you're thinking to have fun in the dirt, BDS also have a Fox for 6", or any of the manufacturers can make you a 6" coilover so you don't have to add a spacer to top to gain lift.

So are you saying that I can’t use the standard length shocks and require a longer eye to eye due to the 6” lift kit? I guess I still have lots more to learn regarding how different lift systems work.

 

[ram1500rsm]

So are you saying that I can’t use the standard length shocks and require a longer eye to eye due to the 6” lift kit? I guess I still have lots more to learn regarding how different lift systems work.

Required i don't know, but i'd think you want a longer body CO's for performance and durability so you don't have to have a 6" spacer on the top of the coilover to give you 6" lift.

I have no idea about full IFS lifts kits as i've never ran one, but if you look in the installs, most are using aftermarket LCA crossmembers that will drop your LCA mounts and diff. Your struts or coilovers will mount to the LCA's, whathever difference there is between the upper strut mount and the LCA's has to be made with either a longer body shock or a spacer on top of that strut so you can connect the lower portion of the strut to the LCA. Fabtech and BDS have full kits with longer CO's, I know Procomp also have their own 2.75 Coilovers so it'll be a matter of calling them to see if they have the longer versions to fit their 6" lift kit, Fox sells a 4-6" version (this could be the same BDS uses, it's advertised in the Fox web site as part# 883-02-073), and that one is 4" longer when extended compared to the 0-3" version they have, 4" shorter too as the entire assembly is shifting up.

Contact Fabtech and BDS and get all the details you can on those 6" Coilovers, or contact Fox and see if they can tell you whether or not you can use that Procomp 6" lift kit with their CO's, or contact Procomp and see if they tell you if the Fox CO's will fit their kit, otherwise you'll have some measurements to make using the spacers on top of your factory shocks, (fender edge to center of your wheel hubs) with the truck at rest/ then with the hub drooping in the air and give this information to any the CO manufacturers so they can make you a custom one, price wise they should be pretty much the same as the 0-3" versions.

 

[2010 Infantry Vet]

So are you saying that I can’t use the standard length shocks and require a longer eye to eye due to the 6” lift kit? I guess I still have lots more to learn regarding how different lift systems work.

Most lift kits that reuse the stock struts just run a spacer on top of the strut, with lowered knuckles. For every inch the transfer case and crossmember is lowered, the knuckles have to be lowered the same amount to keep CV angles correct.
When a customer calls a shock builder (coilovers) they wilk ask for collapsed and extended measurements so they can do their math to figure out their length shocks/coilovers need to be.
All depends on their spring design and if a resevoir is used. Resevoirs give more travel because the relief valve is external...giving more room for travel. Which is really only beneficial if you plan on flexing a lot offroad.