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[JB1]

Not sure about Tacos but there’s plenty of members here with Bilstein set at 2.75 with the lift spacer with no issues whatsoever and no harsh ride. They aren’t desert racers though lol

 

[ram1500rsm]

Not sure about Tacos but there’s plenty of members here with Bilstein set at 2.75 with the lift spacer with no issues whatsoever and no harsh ride. They aren’t desert racers though lol

My bad, kits that drop the diff and lcas have the issue covered assuming the CO is also OEM compatible.
In the Tacos is the same thing, though a lot less people using that type of full kits to go up.
You can use a spacer as long as the kit drops the lower mount points by the same amount. you're loosing uptravel though, and the downtravel gains are eaten by the lift. My head is spinning now lol, damn full kits hahaha.

 

[BellevilleRam]

My bad, kits that drop the diff and lcas have the issue covered assuming the CO is also OEM compatible.
In the Tacos is the same thing, though a lot less people using that type of full kits to go up.
You can use a spacer as long as the kit drops the lower mount points by the same amount. you're loosing uptravel though, and the downtravel gains are eaten by the liMy head is spinning now lol, damn full kits hahaha.

Imagine how I feel! Lol I’m having my local shop call BDS and see what they can do for me. I’m going to probably go with Fox 2.5’s front and rear with the adjustable compression. We will get the right length struts and coil overs and 3” springs for the rear. This thing is going to be sweet by the time I’m done! Lol

 

[wisey113]

Imagine how I feel! Lol I’m having my local shop call BDS and see what they can do for me. I’m going to probably go with Fox 2.5’s front and rear with the adjustable compression. We will get the right length struts and coil overs and 3” springs for the rear. This thing is going to be sweet by the time I’m done! Lol

The BDS setup with the Fox Coilovers is a sweet setup. However I believe they only provide the 2.0 in the rears, not the 2.5's with a reservoir.

Frankly, like we mentioned earlier, with a 6" lift you have good options for kits that offer front coilovers instead of spacers, and you'll be happy with any of them. (BDS, ProComp, Fabtech, Zone even Rough Country have a coilover option). The problem I had was that no one offers a dedicated 4" coilover lift kit. BDS say you can use the fox shocks they provide with the 6" kit, but then don't recommend doing it in the same sentence.

I looked at Thuren too, and have heard nothing but good things about them. I emailed them back and forth a bit and they said the Stage 3 tune was by far their most popular tune.

I eventually opted to not get the DSC Adjusters because I don't use the truck in that advanced a manner. The nice thing is, you can always have the retroffited. Is it a pain? yes, but if you don't mind the time and labor and your truck sitting for a while, it's always an option!

 

[novelmike]

Does anyone know what the suspension wheel travel is on a stock Ram 1500 4x4?

 

[ram1500rsm]

Does anyone know what the suspension wheel travel is on a stock Ram 1500 4x4?

About 6" front, 9" rear.

 

[JB1]

Imagine how I feel! Lol I’m having my local shop call BDS and see what they can do for me. I’m going to probably go with Fox 2.5’s front and rear with the adjustable compression. We will get the right length struts and coil overs and 3” springs for the rear. This thing is going to be sweet by the time I’m done! Lol

Your going with 3” springs in the rear of your procomp lift?.....I thought you were using the procomp spacers so you could use your airbags?

 

[BellevilleRam]

Your going with 3” springs in the rear of your procomp lift?.....I thought you were using the procomp spacers so you could use your airbags?

I don’t have any airbags on my truck.

 

[JB1]

I don’t have any airbags on my truck.

Sorry must have been a diff member

Ok well you’ll need BDS rear box kit 022309 not just the coils. The procomp kit has a rear spacer that’s also the bump stop extension. The BDS box kit will include a new bumpstop spacer . The procomp also has 17” rear sway bar end links that are for that 4.5” spacer height so you can’t use those either, however that BDS box kit will include shorter ones

 

[hodge-xj]

I think there is a bit more than that. The carli commuter is running 10 front and 13 rear and I would bet they didn't change much. Ifs cycles at about a 1.5:1 leverage ratio. Same with the rear suspension. Thuren explained it to me and it may as well have been Chinese but unless the arc of travel is absolutely vertical there's a certain ratio to it, usually 1.5 to 1 average. So for a 6" stroke shock you get about 9" of vertical travel full stuff to full droop. Idk I don't do the engineering or physics stuff, but for carli to advertise numbers that jive with those calculations it's gotta hold some value.

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[JB1]

That BDS rear box kit is $550, this lift is gonna cost you a small fortune lol

 

[BellevilleRam]

I think there is a bit more than that. The carli commuter is running 10 front and 13 rear and I would bet they didn't change much. Ifs cycles at about a 1.5:1 leverage ratio. Same with the rear suspension. Thuren explained it to me and it may as well have been Chinese but unless the arc of travel is absolutely vertical there's a certain ratio to it, usually 1.5 to 1 average. So for a 6" stroke shock you get about 9" of vertical travel full stuff to full droop. Idk I don't do the engineering or physics stuff, but for carli to advertise numbers that jive with those calculations it's gotta hold some value.

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I also figured that there would be travel than simply how much the shocks can compress due to the leverage ratios as you said. I know this from tinkering with my mountain bikes suspension back in the day and having custom linkages made for me each with a different leverage ratio. It would be sweet if our trucks came with different shock mounting positions on the lower control arms that would let us change the ratio and amount of travel!

 

[BellevilleRam]

That BDS rear box kit is $550, this lift is gonna cost you a small fortune lol

My actual Pro Comp lift was a trade for my old wheels and tires. The money out of my pocket will be the shocks themselves and the labour. I’m hoping I can simply order up the right length shocks and complete my lift kit. After reading your post it seems there might be more to it than that?

 

[JB1]

The rear spacer is a combination spring mount and bump stop bracket. It’s a nice heavy duty bracket. The procomp lift raises the rear 4.5” so you’ll be a 1-1/2” shorter with the 3” coils.

I just took a pic of the procomp bracket, I have a set in my garage.

 

[ram1500rsm]

That's weird they advertise 10" front and 13" rear, the commuter is just Fox 2.0 CO's, and those come preloaded to the max to provide 2" lift, the more preload you add the more the shaft extends and the more droop you loose, then for the rear i guess they're using their own spring ?

https://www.dieselpowerproducts.com...system-09-18-ram-1500-30l-ecodiesel-hemi.aspx

Don't know about the leverage ratio as we can't change the shock mounting points without welding upper brackets in a different spot ? i guess they account the angles of the shocks to say the strut droops more ? i have no idea why they advertise those numbers, if we go by the shock specs extended/compressed we know the shock travel, don't know how they transform a 6" travel front into 10" ?or a 9" in the back to 13", damn.

I wish one the Carli engineers could come here and explain those numbers.

 

[hodge-xj]

That's weird they advertise 10" front and 13" rear, the commuter is just Fox 2.0 CO's, and those come preloaded to the max to provide 2" lift, the more preload you add the more the shaft extends and the more droop you loose, then for the rear i guess they're using their own spring ?

https://www.dieselpowerproducts.com...system-09-18-ram-1500-30l-ecodiesel-hemi.aspx

Don't know about the leverage ratio as we can't change the shock mounting points without welding upper brackets in a different spot ? i guess they account the angles of the shocks to say the strut droops more ? i have no idea why they advertise those numbers, if we go by the shock specs extended/compressed we know the shock travel, don't know how they transform a 6" travel front into 10" ?or a 9" in the back to 13", damn.

I wish one the Carli engineers could come here and explain those numbers.

Right, and we know those 2.0 specs and they're nothing special to begin with. I know it has something to do with the basic geometry of a triangle and it's long leg relative to the vertical leg on a right angle triangle etc etc. So with the wheel being outboard of the lower shock mount and its arc of travel = moar squish. Idk it's all gibberish to me. But I mean it's gotta be similar to trailing arms on a trophy truck rear end. The shocks are mounted more toward the pivot, and stroke say 24" and they get like 36" of vertical travel at the wheel. Obviously those numbers are arbitrary but you get the idea. Numbers are kinda like measuring your RICHARD and comparing it to everyone else's. I'll take a 8" travel suspension with tuned kings over a 10" travel bilsteing 5100 setup any day. Just have to drive within it's limits. Unless were on an RTI ramp....than the biggest RICHARD always wins [emoji16]

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[novelmike]

I think there is a bit more than that. The carli commuter is running 10 front and 13 rear and I would bet they didn't change much. Ifs cycles at about a 1.5:1 leverage ratio. Same with the rear suspension. Thuren explained it to me and it may as well have been Chinese but unless the arc of travel is absolutely vertical there's a certain ratio to it, usually 1.5 to 1 average. So for a 6" stroke shock you get about 9" of vertical travel full stuff to full droop. Idk I don't do the engineering or physics stuff, but for carli to advertise numbers that jive with those calculations it's gotta hold some value.

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10” is too much

The Ram Runner has 14” of travel. And it uses new upper and lower arms, and new axels. All that for 4” of additional wheel travel?

 

[hodge-xj]

10” is too much

The Ram Runner has 14” of travel. And it uses new upper and lower arms, and new axels. All that for 4” of additional wheel travel?

Yea man. Yota long travel kits do the same thing for only a few extra inches. When I get my bilstein 6112s ready to install I'll do an empty cycle of the suspension and see what type of numbers I can get. I'm only relaying the info I've been provided. If carli advertises it I believe it. They may have a huge fan boy club but they don't ******** with facts.

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[hodge-xj]

I mean it sounds like a lot but it's really not. Especially with a set of coilovers etc. For example a regular f150 had 9" of travel with coilovers and ucas, but most of that is all bump travel and there's really not much droop from ride height at all. With the new long travel arms and parts you ride about 60/40 bump to droop travel so it feels like a big pillow. That's why they go to such crazy lengths, short arms have an aggressive path they cycle. Longer arms the flatter the curve the smoother it feels.

I'd not even consider 14" long travel anymore. Maybe in the 90s into the 2000s on a street legal vehicle it was but now that's a decent mid travel kit. In my eyes anyway. Tech has come a very long way.

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[BellevilleRam]

I’m ALL about the droop! I’d like a 60/40 bump to droop set up for my truck actually. That’s similar to my downhill mountain bikes set up.